Hawks and Hammies

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Been a while since we have had so many hamstring injuries in concurrent weeks. At this stage those recovering from hammies include Michington, Bugers, Shiels and Chip. Can't recall if we had others during the off-season.

Any thoughts on whether we are just unlucky, whether it is a result of a shorter pre-season competition period, other, etc?

Either way, hoping the injury plague stops as it is making it tough...

 

[KermitJagger]

Been a while since we have had so many hamstring injuries in concurrent weeks. At this stage those recovering from hammies include Michington, Bugers, Shiels and Chip. Can't recall if we had others during the off-season.

Any thoughts on whether we are just unlucky, whether it is a result of a shorter pre-season competition period, other, etc?

Either way, hoping the injury plague stops as it is making it tough...

As far as I know these guys all have history with soft tissue injuries, though Burgers only recently, seems just poor luck that they've all come at once.

Considering the plague of ACLs in the comp at the moment I'm just glad we haven't got any of them.

 

[threesixpio]

Real hawk got a hammy (through excitement) to get to his I Phone to start posting

Too early I’d say to form a lasting judgement on this. I seem to remember they happen more often early in the season but this could just be a false memory (implanted by real hawk)

 

[Beandip]

Poor old realhawk, it's his time to shine!

 

[beta_condition]

As far as I know these guys all have history with soft tissue injuries, though Burgers only recently, seems just poor luck that they've all come at once.

Considering the plague of ACLs in the comp at the moment I'm just glad we haven't got any of them.

Mohr did his ACL and PCL in the preseason.

 

[Klem]

Carlton seem to be injury free at the moment.

 

[Topiary]

Andrew Russell. AND it is not the only issue.
How have we finished our games off so far !!!!!!

 

[Brant]

Andrew Russell. AND it is not the only issue.
How have we finished our games off so far !!!!!!

Come on man, that’s crap...

Regardless the player, they frequently had injury issues when arriving fresh at Hawthorn under Russell. You want me to accept that he arrives at Carlton & has an awesome positive impact, without hurting anyone? The only way I accept that is if he’s arrived there & changed nothing; hence, applying no means for causing injury. Now given that they’ve not incurred any structural or ‘luck’ injuries, I’m going to side with that. He’s seen a side with a low base & is taking the slow road & in doing so, has also been lucky with stuff like ACL/impact injuries.

Further, this post kinda suggests that in all his time with us, Russell didn’t build a system & just kinda engaged ‘the vibe’ so that the new guy (who has been there for a bit) had nothing to work from & managed to somehow reduce the fitness of seasoned, professional athletes, whilst hurting also finding a way to hurt them...

Feels like you’re asking me to believe that we let 1x guy run his own show for years, without building a system; then, we let him leave & brought I someone not nearly as good & this is the reason for our s**t form in 2 of 4 games?

Yeah, nah...

 

[Topiary]

Come on man, that’s crap...

Regardless the player, they frequently had injury issues when arriving fresh at Hawthorn under Russell. You want me to accept that he arrives at Carlton & has an awesome positive impact, without hurting anyone? The only way I accept that is if he’s arrived there & changed nothing; hence, applying no means for causing injury. Now given that they’ve not incurred any structural or ‘luck’ injuries, I’m going to side with that. He’s seen a side with a low base & is taking the slow road & in doing so, has also been lucky with stuff like ACL/impact injuries.

Further, this post kinda suggests that in all his time with us, Russell didn’t build a system & just kinda engaged ‘the vibe’ so that the new guy (who has been there for a bit) had nothing to work from & managed to somehow reduce the fitness of seasoned, professional athletes, whilst hurting also finding a way to hurt them...

Feels like you’re asking me to believe that we let 1x guy run his own show for years, without building a system; then, we let him leave & brought I someone not nearly as good & this is the reason for our s**t form in 2 of 4 games?

Yeah, nah...

Come on man, indeed !!!!!

One needs to be a little circumspect here, because as a consequence of what I might say might be misconstrued.

Fact. Soft tissue injuries have been raised YTD. Across the whole squad.

Of course, absolutely of course, Andrew Russell was also responsible for establishing a “regime of excellence that continue in his absence”.

I have more, but I will be circumspect (sorry for repeating myself). This is also public.

But let me just say this.....(from someone within the Conditioning team who I trust emphatically).......”overnight you cannot replace years of experience and intel, just knowing enough about the individual, their make up, their preparedness to feedback, their essential trust based on relationship”.

No-one, repeat no-one is casting any aspersions about our hard working and highly competent Conditioning team, but they would be the first to suggest that they are not yet at the “level of Andy Russell”.

If you think there is not “ongoing oversight and review” you have your head in the sand.

 

[Brant]

Come on man, indeed !!!!!

One needs to be a little circumspect here, because as a consequence of what I might say might be misconstrued.

Fact. Soft tissue injuries have been raised YTD. Across the whole squad.

Of course, absolutely of course, Andrew Russell was also responsible for establishing a “regime of excellence that continue in his absence”.

I have more, but I will be circumspect (sorry for repeating myself).

But let me just say this.....(from someone within the Conditioning team who I trust emphatically).......”overnight you cannot replace years of experience and intel, just knowing enough about the individual, their make up, their preparedness to feedback, their essential trust based on relationship”.

No-one, repeat no-one is casting any aspersions about our hard working and highly competent Conditioning team, but they would be the first to suggest that they are not yet at the “level of Andy Russell”.

If you think there is not “ongoing oversight and review” you have your head in the sand.

Why would I think there isn’t ongoing oversight & review? That’s an integral (base level) part of any quality/risk management system.

If we weren’t competent if that field, we’d be Carlton

 

[seysearles]

Been a while since we have had so many hamstring injuries in concurrent weeks. At this stage those recovering from hammies include Michington, Bugers, Shiels and Chip. Can't recall if we had others during the off-season.

Any thoughts on whether we are just unlucky, whether it is a result of a shorter pre-season competition period, other, etc?

Either way, hoping the injury plague stops as it is making it tough...

Im not sure if this counts but i did my hammy playing squash on tuesday.

 

[Davo23]

Im not sure if this counts but i did my hammy playing squash on tuesday.

Is Andrew Russell your conditoning coach?

Makes sense.

 

[hamohawk1]

Soft tissue injuries can be season killers, and for us have been game killers. if it reduces the bench to 3 or even 2 for the position of a game it affects the ability to run games out hence the fadeouts

 

[dermott]

I tweaked the hamstring in my right leg in a 50 metre sprint against my 10 year old grandson. If I had let him win it would not have been a problem. However even at 72 I am a bit competitive.
Fortunately my Physio was at the Hawks many years ago and I am right as rain.
I told my grandson that was the last time I would ever beat him.

 

[Brant]

I tweaked the hamstring in my right leg in a 50 metre sprint against my 10 year old grandson. If I had let him win it would not have been a problem. However even at 72 I am a bit competitive.
Fortunately my Physio was at the Hawks many years ago and I am right as rain.
I told my grandson that was the last time I would ever beat him.

What are you like from a set shot & are you available about 11am Monday?

 

[dermott]

What are you like from a set shot & are you available about 11am Monday?

Actually in my day I was a good set shot but sadly my day is long gone.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

ESC has reported Jacko Ross did a string for BH today.

 

[Topiary]

ESC has reported Jacko Ross did a string for BH today.

Yes, another one.

 

[hk89]

I tweaked the hamstring in my right leg in a 50 metre sprint against my 10 year old grandson. If I had let him win it would not have been a problem. However even at 72 I am a bit competitive.
Fortunately my Physio was at the Hawks many years ago and I am right as rain.
I told my grandson that was the last time I would ever beat him.

I did a quad against my son in a very similar situation.

Very minor, was running again in a week. Not treated by Andrew Russell. Probably a miracle. Wasn't even easter at the time.

Seriously. People should look at the average age of the group we've had go down with soft tissues for us so far this year. Young guys seem to be mostly ok. I think this tells us something.

 

[Mojo]

AFL players are elite athletes in an elite system. Ya'll are soft, doughy, 13 days past your prime avocados.