Preview Hawks vs Freo - Changes and discussion

[SHAKESPEARE]

IN:
Gibson
Hodge

OUT:
Osborne - ACL
Suckling


Tom Schneider's Chance is Coming!

 

[IBleedBrownNGold]

Suckling is improving this year, with every game. He isn't going anywhere.

 

[Roddy27]

Suckling is improving this year, with every game. He isn't going anywhere.

Yes, it seems people are willing to let the anxiety of a few fluffed kicks - despite an overall efficiency of 83%- dictate whether Suckers deserves his spot or not. What nonsense. By that logic we need to drop Buddy too- surely he should be punished for his inaccurate kicking?

 

[Henry Jr]

Yes, it seems people are willing to let the anxiety of a few fluffed kicks - despite an overall efficiency of 83%- dictate whether Suckers deserves his spot or not. What nonsense. By that logic we need to drop Buddy too- surely he should be punished for his inaccurate kicking?

Spot on Roddy.

He has worked hard on his fitness which is why in the last quarter, he is still getting the ball and distributing it around. People that call it cheap kicks are kidding themselves.

But people will see what they want to see I guess...

 

[markr]

Hodge doesn't play VFL, if he is fit enough to play, he plays in the seniors.

This was said before his first game this year and he was an absolute liability. I'm not expecting him to play for Box Hill, but I think he should be until he can run out a game.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Will assume Hodge and Gibbo aren't available, Ossie is out injured and Lewis is suspended.

With the game at our home ground and 2 days extra break, this should be one we should win, so I think we can bring in some kids and no need to rush back players that aren't 100% fit.

Out: Osborne + Lewis

In: Schneider (promoted) + Hill

 

[Main Man]

Anyone suggesting Suckling goes out has no idea. Yeah he can shank the odd kick which annoys me as much as anyone but he is not the only one who is guilty of that, Mitchell is a prime example, he stuffs around with dinky little kicks turning onto his left all the time, they scrubber along the ground or go to no one but I don't see anyone in here calling for his head. For the 1 or 2 shanks a game how many laser like passes does he produce week in week out, last night there were many examples and there is no one else in the team that can kick and break the game open like that. He is also one of our hardest running players, he is always running into space sprinting at full pace to create an option, he works as hard as anyone out there. Calls for him to be dropped for the odd shanked kick are way off the mark.

 

[Flukey!]

I don't think Suckling was shanking kicks. My critisism was based on him being too cute with his kicks, but the whole side did a bit of that last night.

Maybe they were just lairising, considering the quality of the opposition.

I would just like to see him and the whole team play the game the "right" way, regardless of the opposition - play the percentages, first option type of stuff.

 

[Atch]

in: gunston, hill
Out: osborne, young(if injured)

 

[dermott]

I just finished watching the Box Hill Hawks game on the ABC and I can't see anyone getting promoted from that game.

 

[fieval]

Please don't rush Hodge back!

Make sure he is cherry ripe and eating raw steak before he is picked again.

He's too valuable to rush back.We want him devouring Sherrins for breakfast when finals come along...

Hill in (sub) for Ossie at this stage.

(If Gibbo is right he is in...)

And I hope Lewis is good to go (He really has stepped it up!!)

 

[Steven Tyler]

I just finished watching the Box Hill Hawks game on the ABC and I can't see anyone getting promoted from that game.

Bit hard to judge watching a sub-standard team. Box Hill really are shocking, but it's not about winning the VFL flag, it's about getting match practise into certain players.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Bit hard to judge watching a sub-standard team. Box Hill really are shocking, but it's not about winning the VFL flag, it's about getting match practise into certain players.

Really? Howe many hawthorn listed players were playing today and how many Box Hill listed. I would say we have to be reasonably worried about box hill's performances given that our depth players are playing.

 

[Flukey!]

I did switch on briefly to watch a little of Box Hill and noticed an old bald guy playing for them.

It was Cam Bruce.

 

[dermott]

Really? Howe many hawthorn listed players were playing today and how many Box Hill listed. I would say we have to be reasonably worried about box hill's performances given that our depth players are playing.

I agree totally.

 

[Davo23]

Really? Howe many hawthorn listed players were playing today and how many Box Hill listed. I would say we have to be reasonably worried about box hill's performances given that our depth players are playing.

How is Box Hill's performance relevant to Hawthorn's?
Or individual players' performance?

In 2008, Box Hill was 11th and only won 6 games.

How does that relate to the way the firsts were playing?


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[TheFourPillars]

How is Box Hill's performance relevant to Hawthorn's?
Or individual players' performance?

In 2008, Box Hill was 11th and only won 6 games.

How does that relate to the way the firsts were playing?


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Mate we did have a good run with injury going into the finals ( some players played injured but god forbid we have a spate of injuries and have to rely on some of the players playing at box hill. Its improtant to have 25 -30 players playing well for you. Ossie going down yesterday and now bateman witha shoulder our depth is thinning by the day

 

[Roddy27]

Really? Howe many hawthorn listed players were playing today and how many Box Hill listed. I would say we have to be reasonably worried about box hill's performances given that our depth players are playing.

TFP- there are stand alone reserves sides in the vfl, and in the neafl who have varying degrees of success when it comes to their wins and losses this year (and every year). Sporadic, and unpredictable form, also a feature. The results of games don't necessarily correlate to the development of the senior team or players trying to break into it. The question about our development and how it is going cannot be categorised by the win loss column-it should matter, it should matter to box hill supporters- i am not saying it doesn't have value, but development is never solely categorised by a win or loss.

We need to be asking the questions regarding what we are teaching the players and whether it is effective at vfl level, and whether or not it is worthy methodology in player development. Asking players to play to a game plan without teaching them the fundamentals of a shifting game, and being single minded in where they play does not seem like sound management, nor does it sound like it will instill belief in the player in the event that they inevitably make a mistake.

At the same time, i would not be as naive as to suggest that the players don't have to take on the responsibility for developing the right work ethic and endeavour in order to give themselves the best possible chance to succeed in this game. Attitude is paramount. A person who simply blames others for their problems might never reflect enough to see where their problems lie, confront them, and move on and grow.

So at the end of the day- the question that constantly goes through my head is, if we acknowledge there is something wrong with development and the performances at box hill- have we set up the correct environment, for young players in particular, to thrive?

How do we get players out of their heads and just experiencing things on the field for what they are?

 

[TheFourPillars]

TFP- there are stand alone reserves sides in the vfl, and in the neafl who have varying degrees of success when it comes to their wins and losses this year (and every year). Sporadic, and unpredictable form, also a feature. The results of games don't necessarily correlate to the development of the senior team or players trying to break into it. The question about our development and how it is going cannot be categorised by the win loss column-it should matter, it should matter to box hill supporters- i am not saying it doesn't have value, but development is never solely categorised by a win or loss.

We need to be asking the questions regarding what we are teaching the players and whether it is effective at vfl level, and whether or not it is worthy methodology in player development. Asking players to play to a game plan without teaching them the fundamentals of a shifting game, and being single minded in where they play does not seem like sound management, nor does it sound like it will instill belief in the player in the event that they inevitably make a mistake.

At the same time, i would not be as naive as to suggest that the players don't have to take on the responsibility for developing the right work ethic and endeavour in order to give themselves the best possible chance to succeed in this game. Attitude is paramount. A person who simply blames others for their problems might never reflect enough to see where their problems lie, confront them, and move on and grow.

So at the end of the day- the question that constantly goes through my head is, if we acknowledge there is something wrong with development and the performances at box hill- have we set up the correct environment, for young players in particular, to thrive?

How do we get players out of their heads and just experiencing things on the field for what they are?

As i mentioned earlier you need 25 -30 players in case of injury. As far seeting the right environment well shiels savage breust suckling schoey all playing in the seniors and i am sure i missed a few. They all served their apprenticeships at box hill and provided selection pressure. This is something that we need if you want to go deep ion september because the game has changed it is more demanding it requires more than the best 22 these days

 

[LuvMyHawks]

He might have been an old bald guy, but he was a father this week to a son..Congrats Cam..Just shows you can't be too old...

 

[Roddy27]

As i mentioned earlier you need 25 -30 players in case of injury. As far seeting the right environment well shiels savage breust suckling schoey all playing in the seniors and i am sure i missed a few. They all served their apprenticeships at box hill and provided selection pressure. This is something that we need if you want to go deep ion september because the game has changed it is more demanding it requires more than the best 22 these days

Well, I would argue that the focus on development at the end of 2010 into 2011 was vastly different, and categorically superior to any point in time since we won the flag in 2008. I don't think that the evolution of the players you've mentioned comes as a surprise on the back of the review that took place in 2010 and change in direction the club took. I have not seen any emphasis on development during the pre-season or season proper to the same extent as what we presented last year. In fact, i remarked to someone on here recently that we made decisions in direct contrast to last year. Players were not rewarded for their performances in the pre-season, we had a very pre-conceived notion of what we thought our squad should be- and when other players played well- they were dropped the next week. We, again, have started to send mixed messages to players. That's concerning to me.

Some players come in and can play under any system, but that system needs to work for all players. It's not a coincidence that an entire team can be out of form in the same way consistently. Tell me what point it serves getting angry at a player, if you're not teaching that player properly?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Well, I would argue that the focus on development at the end of 2010 into 2011 was vastly different, and categorically superior to any point in time since we won the flag in 2008. I don't think that the evolution of the players you've mentioned comes as a surprise on the back of the review that took place in 2010 and change in direction the club took. I have not seen any emphasis on development during the pre-season or season proper to the same extent as what we presented last year. In fact, i remarked to someone on here recently that we made decisions in direct contrast to last year. Players were not rewarded for their performances in the pre-season, we had a very pre-conceived notion of what we thought our squad should be- and when other players played well- they were dropped the next week. We, again, have started to send mixed messages to players. That's concerning to me.

Some players come in and can play under any system, but that system needs to work for all players. It's not a coincidence that an entire team can be out of form in the same way consistently. Tell me what point it serves getting angry at a player, if you're not teaching that player properly?

One could also argue that the players that were playing for box hill in the above period were /are better players than the current stock of players playing for box hill (hawthorn or Box Hill listed). For reasons that are quite obvious we have lost a lot of talent from the box hill side in recent seasons most of them are on AFL lists or gone on to other VFL sides. Our VFL team is now mostly Hawthorn listed. Which mean most weeks we are sending the Hawthorn reserves out there.

 

[RIOLIUSTAR]

He might have been an old bald guy, but he was a father this week to a son..Congrats Cam..Just shows you can't be too old...

Thank god he won't qualify for father and son

Harsh but it had to be said

 

[Brant]

I'd like to see:

Ins:
Hodge
Gibson

Outs:
Suckling / Breust*
Osborne

Nothing wrong with Breust or Suckling, in fact I think both are playing quite well. It's just that I would be bringing Hodge in to play HBF or HFF & in a "like for like" swap I would look to omit either of these two. Probably Suckling out as Breust contributes to a lot of our scores where as I think Hodge at HBF could play better than Suckling could.

In reality, it's at least possible that neither of Hodge or Gibson will get up so I guess it's Osborne out but no idea who for...

 

[macdaddio]

He might have been an old bald guy, but he was a father this week to a son..Congrats Cam..Just shows you can't be too old...

I really hope not for my sake........