Hayden quits

[Ford Fairlane]

Has announced his retirement and will probably do a farewell lap at the Twenty20 tonight at the Gabba.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24905278-661,00.html

 

[Hodges 153!]

Jeepers, I just read the title of this and thought it said "Haysman".....

Has made the right call, especially with the likes of Dave Warner in the wings....

 

[RangaInTeal]

Jeepers, I just read the title of this and thought it said "Haysman".....

Has made the right call, especially with the likes of Dave Warner in the wings....

DAVE WARNER... PFFT... YOUR JOKING RIGHT?

Shaun Marsh>Phill Jaques>Phil Hughes>David Warner

 

[MP_]

yeah lets not get too excited about warner just yet, we'll see if he backs up tonight

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

yeah lets not get too excited about warner just yet, we'll see if he backs up tonight

Yeah I bet he comes out and gets a duck tonight.

Anyway congrats to Haydos, but really should have announced this before the Sydney test so he could of had a farewell as such. Now it just seems like he was pushed.

 

[Steve Dore]

DAVE WARNER... PFFT... YOUR JOKING RIGHT? ......

I didn't used to mind Dave Warner. I remember him playing the Adelaide Uni O-Ball in 1978, as the support act to Joe Joe Zep IIRC.

I wake up every morning with no-one beside me
I wake up every morning and my mother will chide me
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
Saturday night, no subway station
Saturday night just changing TV stations
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
And I know what it's like
To be rejected every night
And I'm sure it must be, easier for boys from the city
I go to the football to cheer for my team
I go to the football to hear myself scream
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
Sunday Session – I'm down at the hotel
Staring at girls that I don't know, well
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
And I know what it's like
I've been rejected every night
And I'm sure it must be, easier for boys from the city

 

[MP_]

I didn't used to mind Dave Warner. I remember him playing the Adelaide Uni O-Ball in 1978, as the support act to Joe Joe Zep IIRC.

I wake up every morning with no-one beside me
I wake up every morning and my mother will chide me
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
Saturday night, no subway station
Saturday night just changing TV stations
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
And I know what it's like
To be rejected every night
And I'm sure it must be, easier for boys from the city
I go to the football to cheer for my team
I go to the football to hear myself scream
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
Sunday Session – I'm down at the hotel
Staring at girls that I don't know, well
I'm just a Suburban Boy, just a Suburban Boy
And I know what it's like
I've been rejected every night
And I'm sure it must be, easier for boys from the city

http://www.davewarner.com.au/

 

[Hodges 153!]

DAVE WARNER... PFFT... YOUR JOKING RIGHT?

Shaun Marsh>Phill Jaques>Phil Hughes>David Warner

Of course.

I didnt mean he was about to step in as full time opener.

Just that this is the right time to be stepping aside when there is talent at hand for all forms of the game.

 

[morell]

Good.

One less w***er in the Australian Cricket team and hopefully the media.

Now for Ponting (I will take the day off to celebrate when this happens), Hussey, Clarke, Katich and Johnson.

Then again I am sure the new guys will soon been ingrained with the hypocrisy, arrogance and unsportsmanlike behaviour that has been standard for decades.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I didn't used to mind Dave Warner. I remember him playing the Adelaide Uni O-Ball in 1978, as the support act to Joe Joe Zep IIRC.

Snap. I was at that O-Ball, 1979 tho.

 

[Steve Dore]

Snap. I was at that O-Ball, 1979 tho.

Some of those dates back then are a bit of a blur

Thinking more about it it must have been '79 as I was there with this really cute blonde.





We've now been married for 25 years

 

[RoosterLad]

Warner hasn't even played a first class game yet. He could be a star in the pyjama stuff but test cricket I'm not so sure about.

Phil Hughes on the other hand is already a superstar.

Also good call by Hayden. It's a pity that we didn't get to say adios on the Test arena but at least he will do a lap at his home ground.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Some of those dates back then are a bit of a blur

I'm fine with them, but what did I have for breakfast today again ...

 

[Santos L Helper]

Hayden's had a good career, but had to go. I'l be very intersted to see how Warner goes once the bowlers stat starving his leg side "hoikes". A bit wide outside off and moving away from him should see a quick reality check.

Morell, we've had our diferrences over Cousins, but your opinions on the Aussie cricket team intrigue me, where can I subscribe to your newsletter?

 

[Papa G]

Good.

One less w***er in the Australian Cricket team and hopefully the media.

Now for Ponting (I will take the day off to celebrate when this happens), Hussey, Clarke, Katich and Johnson.

Then again I am sure the new guys will soon been ingrained with the hypocrisy, arrogance and unsportsmanlike behaviour that has been standard for decades.

I was listening to Healy last night on 5AA and he congratulated the South Africans - not for beating the Aussies, not for playing some superb cricket, not for out thinking and outplaying the Australians.... no he congratulated them on not rubbing the Australians noses in it and for being subdued, not over the top and respectful in their aftermatch celebrations. I thought to myself, what the exact opposite to the way the Australian cricket team act?? Respect? give me a break, in the same situation the Aussie cricket team would have acted like the boorish twats they always have been.

Your right, once we get rid of these arrogant tossers in the Australian team, their are plenty to to take their place. It is ingrained in their culture to be a tool. I've known some state players over the years and some of the stories they have told me about the behaviour of many cricketers makes NRL players look like angels.

I have struggled to give my full support to the Australian cricket team since the mid nineties.

 

[Spadge]

Also good call by Hayden. It's a pity that we didn't get to say adios on the Test arena but at least he will do a lap at his home ground.

so you really think this was his call?
last week Haydos was saying he was going to play on, and today he isnt?

its quite obvious he has been told by the aussie selectors that he will not be selected for the upcoming tours of South Africa and England and given him the chance to retire

Im sure the selectors have told him that he isnt in the future plans for the Aussie cricket team, and that they will be taking Phillip Hughes along with Phil Jaques to these upcoming tours

Sad day though. Hayden was one of the greatest openers of the current era, and with him and langer at the crease put together some of the best opening partnerships ive seen since Greenidge and Hayes back in the WI hayday of the 80s and early 90s.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Well done to Matt Hayden. A kid with prodigious talent who probably should have made his debut in the 1993 Ashes Test series in England. Hayden, Michael Slater and Damien Martyn all had great lead up tour matches with Hayden being the most impressive but somehow Slater got ahead of him in the One dayers just before the test series, got in and Hayden was cosigned to playing the odd test here and there until the 1999/2000 when he took over from Greg Blewett against NZ in NZ. His first 7 tests he played 4 against South Africa and was pathetic. He dominated at Shield level but looked like another bloke who wasn't going to take his talent's to the Test area as we had seen plenty of others do.

I remember when he got back in against NZ, Steve Waugh publicly backed him and said he will play another 70 tests and double his 24/25 run Test average. A big call at the time by Waugh but he was right. That series against the Windies in 00/01 was ok but when he went to India we saw the new and improved Hayden who did on the Test stage what he had been doing at first class level for almost a decade. He never looked back after that tour. Great that he was able to turn around his career after several disappoints.

The way he bludgeoned and butchered an attack was great to watch. Up there with Roy Fredricks, Gordon Greenidge and a young Desmond Haynes at their best. Statistically he is the best ever opening batsman we have had who has played 20 tests or more, and is the only one to average 50+ . He is rightfully up there with Arthur Morris, Bill Woodfull, Bill Ponsford, Bobbie Simpson and Bill Lawry as one of our best ever openers.

And his one day record is pretty impressive as well. Averages 43 which anything above 40 in ODI is pretty much like 50+ in test cricket. Yeah an arrogant shit at times on the field, but still has the country larrikin about him. I think you have a white line fever god fearing man in Hayden. But what do you expect from someone who was pumped up by Steve Waugh and embraced his mental disintegration approach to cricket.

I saw his press conference today and he was pretty gracious and sounds like he wants to be a decent custodian of the game at amateur levels across the country, now his career is over.

 

[Spadge]

as alluded to by REH anyone who can average over 50 facing the 2 best bowlers in the team with the new ball.... is a superstar of the game
and Haydos is that

remember that openers dont usually have too many not outs inflating their averages either

 

[RoosterLad]

so you really think this was his call?
last week Haydos was saying he was going to play on, and today he isnt?

its quite obvious he has been told by the aussie selectors that he will not be selected for the upcoming tours of South Africa and England and given him the chance to retire

Im sure the selectors have told him that he isnt in the future plans for the Aussie cricket team, and that they will be taking Phillip Hughes along with Phil Jaques to these upcoming tours

Sad day though. Hayden was one of the greatest openers of the current era, and with him and langer at the crease put together some of the best opening partnerships ive seen since Greenidge and Hayes back in the WI hayday of the 80s and early 90s.

Yeah I was at work so it was a quick post without much thought (unlike my other posts on bigfooty).. but yeah it would have been a nudge. He did have to go though or he may end up remembered for his poor end to his career rather than his amazing batting at the top of the order with his good mate Justin Langer.

Also I am amazed but not surprised that some people hate the Aussie cricket team for being "arrogant". They were the best in the world for a long time, one of the reasons they were so good was because they had that touch of arrogance coupled with their brilliance.

Don't alter this part of the post as it's in the Twilight Zone but it is funny that some Port fans hate the Aussies arrogance and refuse to support them because of this despite the fact you have Chad Cornes and Tredders in the side who are extremely arrogant, especially with the carry-on during the Prelim win against the Kangas.

Don't get me wrong, I love to see this from my own players (despite hating it when a Power player does it ) but it is just a funny observation.


Also good call in the last post Spadge... averaging 50 as an opener is amazing. Like you said there are very few not outs and they have to face the best bowlers while they are fresh and with the new ball. 50+ is stunning and I'm glad he will now get to keep that.

 

[Macca19]

Definitely a champion cricketer. Will go down as one of our best, but it was the right time to say goodbye. A pity that it all ended for him so quick, but he can be very proud of his achievements on the world stage.

 

[RangaInTeal]

did anyone else here in his lap, "i think Symmo may pull up anchor soon..." CAUSE I SURE AS HELL DID, ME AND THE OLD MAN!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Don't alter this part of the post as it's in the Twilight Zone but it is funny that some Port fans hate the Aussies arrogance and refuse to support them because of this despite the fact you have Chad Cornes and Tredders in the side who are extremely arrogant, especially with the carry-on during the Prelim win against the Kangas.

Don't get me wrong, I love to see this from my own players (despite hating it when a Power player does it ) but it is just a funny observation.

I'm sure you meant to write that "you have Chad and Tredders in the side who can come across to opposition supporters (and Robert Walls) as extremely arrogant ... etc". But that's ok, as you get older you'll learn to appreciate the difference between a bad person and bad behaviour.

But I do agree that I don't understand the angst about the Australian cricket team being arrogant, or combative or unsettlingly aggressive or boorish twats, however you want to term it. As a Port supporter, I've seen our side achieve huge success, and certainly not by adhering to the so-called spirit of the rules attitude, tally-ho, yes well played old chap.

Cricket is a multi-million dollar business now, and all teams have their share of chatty on-field players, some nasty as they strive for success. The Aussies are no orphan in that regard. And it's become more prevalent in recent years as teams have tried to take it up to the Australians on-field (often with Australian coaches). And I imagine the influx of IPL money will make players want to stand out even more among their team-mates.

For all the talk of the Saffies fair play, they're not above strangling an innings by packing an off-side field and bowling a metre outside off stump, or rorting the time rules to gain an advantage (as Ian Healy pointed out many times last night). Maybe that's just good tactics, but where do you draw the line between that and gamesmanship?

 

[charcolechaddy]

Good.

One less w***er in the Australian Cricket team and hopefully the media.

Now for Ponting (I will take the day off to celebrate when this happens), Hussey, Clarke, Katich and Johnson.

Then again I am sure the new guys will soon been ingrained with the hypocrisy, arrogance and unsportsmanlike behaviour that has been standard for decades.

As old PH would say "Please explain".

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I really enjoy morell's posting, and I hope he doesn't take this the wrong way (here comes a Ricky Bobby "With all due respect" moment), but anyone who supports the All-Blacks (*cough*Richard Loe*cough* "We lost the World Cup in South Africa because we were poisoned before the final") and a cricket team that has contained such luminaries as Richard Hadlee (one of the greats, granted), Ian Smith and John Bracewell, might be treading a fine line when commenting on other team's arrogance ...

 

[morell]

Also I am amazed but not surprised that some people hate the Aussie cricket team for being "arrogant". They were the best in the world for a long time, one of the reasons they were so good was because they had that touch of arrogance coupled with their brilliance.

Bit of a myth this one I reckon.

The Australian cricket team was successful because of talent, money and a lack of opposition.

Don't alter this part of the post as it's in the Twilight Zone but it is funny that some Port fans hate the Aussies arrogance and refuse to support them because of this despite the fact you have Chad Cornes and Tredders in the side who are extremely arrogant, especially with the carry-on during the Prelim win against the Kangas.

Cricket and football are completely different sports with a different code of ethics, thus different behaviour is expected. The Australians have repeatedly not met this expectation.

It's not just the arrogance, if it was that alone I suppose it could be forgiven. It's the hypocrisy that gets to me the most. A couple of examples;

• A while ago the Australians made a massive stink about a supposed doctored pitch in India favouring their spinners. As opposed to the pitches in Australia favouring their pacemen year after year after year?
  
• Glen McGrath's reaction and resulting whinge about getting sledged in the West Indies, I mean, is he for real?? Hypocrisy!
  
• Ricky Ponting spitting the dummy after getting run out by a part time fielder in the 05 ashes. FFS.
  
• Complaints about umpiring standards and favoritism when on tour -after touring teams have been getting shafted in Australia since Adams old man was a boy.

There are many other examples throughout Australian cricket history.

But I do agree that I don't understand the angst about the Australian cricket team being arrogant, or combative or unsettlingly aggressive or boorish twats, however you want to term it. As a Port supporter, I've seen our side achieve huge success, and certainly not by adhering to the so-called spirit of the rules attitude, tally-ho, yes well played old chap.

I don't necessarily have a problem with their aggressive style of play. I have problem when they arc up like babies when the shoe is on the other foot.

If another country behaved like the Australian Cricket team during the India series last year, we would be wanting to hang them.

Look at the way we treat Murali - and he is a quiet one!

I really enjoy morell's posting, and I hope he doesn't take this the wrong way (here comes a Ricky Bobby "With all due respect" moment), but anyone who supports the All-Blacks (*cough*Richard Loe*cough* "We lost the World Cup in South Africa because we were poisoned before the final") and a cricket team that has contained such luminaries as Richard Hadlee (one of the greats, granted), Ian Smith and John Bracewell, might be treading a fine line when commenting on other team's arrogance ...

The All Blacks have probably been arrogant on occasions (I actually can't think of any) and have absolutely tread a fine line between aggressiveness and thuggery, but one of the things I admire the most about them is their grace and respect to other teams on and off the field, despite their century of dominance.

To take my point further;

I think it is actually an inherent Australian thing. We are a young country without much to speak of in terms of history, one of things we can hang our hat on is our undoubted sporting success. We punch above our weight and compete where we shouldn't be competing.

Because of this, we as a culture have intertwined both how we identify others and how we see ourselves with how our respective sporting teams are going. A good example is when Australians automatically think my attitude towards the Aussie Cricket team is because I am a Kiwi. In reality I couldn't care less about the NZ cricket team, could barely name you 2 players, to me, Cricket has nothing to do with being a New Zealander. Not sure this is the case for Aussies. A lot of Aussies confuse national pride with sporting success.

We think that if our sporting teams aren't successful, we as a country aren't successful. This results in a "sport is war" mentality, a win at all costs and stuff the others way of thinking. Unfortunately, this can lead to some very ugly behaviour.

We need to realise that Australia is so much more than beer, beaches and good cricket teams.