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i really like what im seeing from henderson playing down back. he has grown into the role. he goes well against the athletic type forwards, though probably needs to work more on the ground level work.

i can see him and jamison forming a very strong partnership down back. just like taylor and scarlett.

i say keep henderson at CHB and go all out for butcher this coming trade week.
 
I agree, Hendo has been fantastic in his role up back, and played perhaps his best game for the club there last night. Now we need someone to fill our gaping hole in CHF/FF
 
The best thing about Henderson playing back is that we can see how Jamison and a big 196 cm KPD in Watson will be able to work together.

FB: Jamison
CHB: Watson

Long term, we need Henderson to play as a lead up CHF more than we need him to play as a defender.

Setanta is a stop gap solution.
 
TheGeneral said:
Long term, we need Henderson to play as a lead up CHF more than we need him to play as a defender.
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We may need a CHF but Hendo is not the answer IMO. He has played his best footy for us as a defender and that's where he should stay. Jamo & Hendo working in unison would be huge for our defense.

Setanta out of the goal square and Waite CHF would be ideal IMO but obviously injuries prevent this. We desperately need to recruit a KPF to hold the fort while Mitchell gets going.
 

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Hendo has been great down back, but he is a CHF. Long term he will be forward.

I wish we could clone him and play one at each end.
 
TheGeneral said:
The best thing about Henderson playing back is that we can see how Jamison and a big 196 cm KPD in Watson will be able to work together.

FB: Jamison
CHB: Watson

Long term, we need Henderson to play as a lead up CHF more than we need him to play as a defender.

Setanta is a stop gap solution.
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Watson is nothing like Henderson.
Just because Watson and Henderson may be 196 cms doesnt mean thats an indication of how they play with Jamo.

Watson is very slow and terrible below his knees.
Issues he has to work very hard on to give himself an opportunity to play the game at the elite level.
Henderson is a beautiful mover , laterally as well.
 
I agree as well. I think it's time the club stopped trying to turn players into what they "hope" they can be and just let them play in the positions to which they're best suited.

They've tried to turn Kreuzer into a forward, when his best position is on the ball.

They tried to turn Walker into a defender when he's obviously better up forward.

So, now that we've seen how much more confidently, and competently Henderson plays as a defender, why take that away from the club?

Perhaps Watson is the one they should be "moulding". He is young and just starting out, therefore you'd think that they'd have a better chance of developing his game in a different direction.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
Watson is nothing like Henderson.
Just because Watson and Henderson may be 196 cms doesnt mean thats an indication of how they play with Jamo.

Watson is very slow and terrible below his knees.
Issues he has to work very hard on to give himself an opportunity to play the game at the elite level.
Henderson is a beautiful mover , laterally as well.
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if the club thinks like that I wonder why the bothered using up such a high draft pick on him. This modern game is not made for the slow man (see Brock McLean)
After all, pace is not something you can really add to someone's game. You either have it or don't. Seems we Could of used the no 18 pick more wisely.
 
:rolleyes:

Watson is the new Yarran.
Poseidon said:
We may need a CHF but Hendo is not the answer IMO. He has played his best footy for us as a defender and that's where he should stay. Jamo & Hendo working in unison would be huge for our defense.
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Henderson sees himself as a forward. Waite and Bradshaw are just two talls who have played back before moving forward. Lachie's experience as a defender would have been an eye opener to the methods used against forwards. Will only help him if and when he moves forward again.
TheHeatleyStand said:
Watson is nothing like Henderson.
Just because Watson and Henderson may be 196 cms doesnt mean thats an indication of how they play with Jamo.

Watson is very slow and terrible below his knees.
Issues he has to work very hard on to give himself an opportunity to play the game at the elite level.
Henderson is a beautiful mover , laterally as well.
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I'm talking about structure.

Watson will take the bigger KPP like Kosi with Jamison taking the quick leading forwards.

Watson isn't slow, but his fitness and recovery is on par with Kennedy's first two seasons.

How's he going now?

The bigger players take longer to get an AFL hardened body and trim down.
 
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This all may be true TG, but wouldn't it be nice to have someone like Watson using that cannon of his to take shots from 50 rather than the multitude of guys we have who struggle from this distance?
 
Still unsure at present but he's obviously far more confident down back than he is up forward. His lack of explosive speed of the mark is a damning quality to have as a forward and his hands aren't sticky enough to make up for it.

Think he'll develop into a Mcpharlin-esque player. Solid up forward but brilliant down back. Where he looked fairly slow and sluggish at times up forward, his agility and attacking flair has been a highlight as a KPD.
 
Correct weight (almost) everyone.

Hendo looks a wholly different player plying his trade down back at the moment.

Jamo, Hendo, Duigan, Laidler plus a combo of Yarran, Russell, Joseph feels like a solid backline to me. It still leaves an unsolved problem in the forward line, but I think we have the raw pieces of have a strong backline, strong midfield, strong ruck division, so a "weak" forward line that still features Waite, Betts, Garlett and Walker is a compelling case.

A true contested marking forward would make a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference.

Super-impressed with how quick and good at reading the play Hendo looks down back. Him at CHB is one of the big holes in our team filled. Where previously we've looked totally exposed when Jamo wasn't fit or was beaten, now we have a viable second option. Very much in that Scarlett-Taylor mould (not saying our boys are in that class, but the idea). If, say, Jamo is getting touched up by someone, you flip them around and try something different, rather than having to go straight to plan C (an undersized/outclassed Thornton) or plan F (a ridiculously outsized Duigan). Particularly with Laidler being a rangey "3rd tall" type, I think this is a great backline setup. We needed to big bodies, and in Jamo and Hendo, we have them.
 

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Can someone explain me to how Henderson can play on Franklin, both Riewoldts, etc, yet he's too slow to play forward and get off his man?

/Wookie defence

Henderson looked sluggish early this year because he wasn't match fit due to his interrupted pre-season.

Henderson isn't slow like Brad Fisher.

Don't knock his marking like he's Hampson.

We lack a link up tall forward who can mark on the wing and then pass to Waite, Hampson or Kreuzer.

That's the structure that smashed Essendon last year.
 
TheGeneral said:
Can someone explain me to how Henderson can play on Franklin, both Riewoldts, etc, yet he's too slow to play forward and get off his man?
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Has a backman's brain? Can't time his leads as a forward, but has the athletic qualities so can take his queue from his opponent as a backman and then let his natural instincts take over?

I can't quite figure out how poor Hendo has been as a forward, either. Some of it would be delivery, too. But I know he looks the biz as a backman.
 
TheGeneral said:
Can someone explain me to how Henderson can play on Franklin, both Riewoldts, etc, yet he's too slow to play forward and get off his man?

/Wookie defence

Henderson looked sluggish early this year because he wasn't match fit due to his interrupted pre-season.

Henderson isn't slow like Brad Fisher.

Don't knock his marking like he's Hampson.

We lack a link up tall forward who can mark on the wing and then pass to Waite, Hampson or Kreuzer.

That's the structure that smashed Essendon last year.
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As big a Henderson fan as any on this site and will (and have) backed him to the hilt.

He showed serious promise late last year up forward but it was all promise. We'll excuse his form this season as injury related.

However, down back he looks an accomplished defender by any standard, after only 6 weeks down there. In time, he might develop into an excellent forward but he's already 2/3rds there down back.

We've got holes down either end of the ground. I'd rather a stable defence than forward line. Chances are he'll play next year where the MC deems we need him most.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
Watson is nothing like Henderson.
Just because Watson and Henderson may be 196 cms doesnt mean thats an indication of how they play with Jamo.

Watson is very slow and terrible below his knees.
Issues he has to work very hard on to give himself an opportunity to play the game at the elite level.
Henderson is a beautiful mover , laterally as well.
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Please give a key position player a few years before you start making calls like this. Come on get behind the kid he was All Australian full back at under 18 level and will more than likely be a super player for us. Really don't see the need to make to bag out a first year player.
 
Watson is still too raw. Give him at least noather 2 seasons.

Henderson has never really cemented a position in AFL...his few games at the Lions were a mix of forward and defence. He hasnt lit the world on fire playing forward at Carlton either.

In my opinion he has showed more as a defender than he has a forward. With the sub rule coming in it makes it hard to play waite and hendo in the forward line and rest one of the ruckman down there as well. With Walker and the other smalls i think it really floods our forward line.

Austin and Bower have missed the boat now as well.

a defence of duigan, jamison, ladiler, yarran, hendo and possibly russell if he can regain his form would be a soild.
 

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be interesting to see where he ended up if we had the full quota of players to choose from. right now with a relatively decent forward line (forgetting last night) the bigger problems are down back. if waite somehow came back this year it makes leaving him in defence even easier.
 
What makes Hendo an interesting case is that I don't recall him playing much footy as a defender, yet he looks so comfortable back there since Jamo has gone down with his knee injury. I do like the idea of a Henderson/Jamison partnership in defence, although I also like the idea of Lachie playing forward as well.

Not sure what the ideal structure will be that will come out of this.
 
yeah it's working well, just don't think henderson has good enough hands to make an impact as a forward but down back he has been great. Would like to see Bower make it as a 3rd tall backman.
 
He was outstanding last night, I was so impressed.

His confidence is sky high, and he looks more agile and athletic than I've ever seen him.

I love him at CHB but I wouldn't be surprised to see him take his chances up forward next time he gets thrown there.
 
viking12 said:
i really like what im seeing from henderson playing down back. he has grown into the role. he goes well against the athletic type forwards, though probably needs to work more on the ground level work.

i can see him and jamison forming a very strong partnership down back. just like taylor and scarlett.

i say keep henderson at CHB and go all out for butcher this coming trade week.
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Absolutely take a look at my West Coast Vs Carlton compareness, we lack talls that can play for a long time and are ready for 2012. We have a couple that may make it, but before we see something in a game, they just maybe. The other thing we have too many 177cm to 184 that can't play in the side, unless they a beautiful kickers and hold the ball like Geelong or can take big leaps.
 
TheGeneral said:
The best thing about Henderson playing back is that we can see how Jamison and a big 196 cm KPD in Watson will be able to work together.

FB: Jamison
CHB: Watson

Long term, we need Henderson to play as a lead up CHF more than we need him to play as a defender.

Setanta is a stop gap solution.
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No to that Henderson to play as a lead up CHF, looks better there maybe Watson will take Full back in a few years or used as a CHF. The only thing might be a little slow as a CHF.
 

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