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Well it's the big race this week - BATHURST!!! Any motor racing fan will be looking forward to a big week of V8 action around the BEST race track in the world (although Spa and the old Nurburgring come close).

Anyway, my questions is - who do you follow, Holden or Ford? I'm a Holden fan myself - favorite driver is Larry Perkins, but also a big fan of Russell Ingall and Jason Bargwanna. Peter Brock was of course a big favourite - I have a framed pic of him driving autographed on my wall.

As for Craig 'Where's my 30 pieces of silver' Lowndes - get stuffed you moron! :mad:

Who do you follow and will you be watching/going to the race this weekend?
 
And you think the rest of the HRT team are there for the love of racing, not the money? Grow up and get over Lowndes, he left, he racing, he's getting up your nose obviously and doesn't give a damn what you think about him. People change football sides all the time, why not cars? And I never heard all you Holden fans bagging Peter Brock for driving different makes when he had a falling out with HRT.

As for the race, I'd like to see Glenn Seton finally win one, he's had a lot of bad luck over the years and deserves to have 1 Bathurst win under his belt.
 
If you looked at my favourite drivers neither HRT man was in there - but I'd still prefer them to win over Lowndes, Fatty Johnson or the Rat.

It's a bit different changing footy teams, as there are 15 other clubs to go to. With V8's then is only 2 sides, so crossing from one to the other is a big thing.

Having said that, if a Ford person was to win, Seton would definietely deserve it. I have a horrible feeling this may be the year Ford get up, but it looked like that last year until the actual race.

As the saying goes:
Fuked
On
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Day

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Holden all the way...

Craig Lowndes used to be my favorite, before he left to go to that scummy outfit called Ford. The thing that got me most was him claiming that he "was a Ford man his whole life..."

That made me mad! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Holden will prevail (again! :D), Ford just don't have the tools.

Brocky was my favorite, then Lowndes (scum! :mad: ), and now it is Bargwana and Ingall...

The Hitman
 
Whilst generally I prefer Holden to Ford I am much more likely to follow drivers rather than brands.

There are some Ford drivers I respect (like Seton and Larkham) and some Holden one's I don't (like Ingall).

Overall though you've just gotta love Larry ;)
 
There needed to be a third option so I didn't vote. Both are pathetic brands of car made with appalling quality and owned by huge American organisations. How anyone can vote for either I don't know.
 
Originally posted by Shed
Not if you've had to work with him. He is a cantankerous old prikk.
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Interesting. One of my mates used to work for him and told a different story. All depends on your point of view I suppose.
 
Originally posted by Frodo
There needed to be a third option so I didn't vote. Both are pathetic brands of car made with appalling quality and owned by huge American organisations. How anyone can vote for either I don't know.
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Don't tell me you were one of those idiots who was happy to see the Skyline cheat its way to victory in 1991? The only time I've ever seen Ford and Holden fans united in anger...had to love the crowd booing and chanting bullsh.it....bullsh.it, followed by Jim Richards calling them a pack of d.ickheads!
 
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Don't tell me you were one of those idiots who was happy to see the Skyline cheat its way to victory in 1991? The only time I've ever seen Ford and Holden fans united in anger...had to love the crowd booing and chanting bullsh.it....bullsh.it, followed by Jim Richards calling them a pack of d.ickheads!
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Nah Goalden one. It's just that Frodo wouldn't be happy unless he was complaining about something.
 
Always been a holden man

The Falcons of the last 5-6 years, cant tell which one is uglier!

If anyone thinks the New Falcons are better than the VX, well keep off the crop! :D

Then again, nothing beats a Valiant! ;)
 

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Originally posted by Frodo
Both are pathetic brands of car made with appalling quality
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Simply not true. The Commodore and Falcon are the best value rear-wheel drive cars in the world, offering excellent power and torque, good handling, and comfort. They are at least as reliable as BMW, and more reliable than SAAB or Alfa. And in the case of Falcon, the engine lasts almost forever.


Originally posted by Frodo
... and owned by huge American organisations.
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Yes, but at least they are made here and keep thousands of Australians in work. Without Ford and Holden, as well as Toyota and Mitsubishi, Australia would have virtually no mechanical manufacturing to call upon in time of crisis.


Originally posted by Frodo
How anyone can vote for either I don't know.
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I will tell you. It's because I am a patriot who enjoys driving powerful rear-wheel drive cars and appreciates common sense solutions to problems. And I'm not impressed by "Badge"-engineering.
 
Go the Holdens, and one of my favourite drivers would be Garth Tander.....
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Originally posted by TigerTank


They are at least as reliable as BMW, and more reliable than SAAB or Alfa. And in the case of Falcon, the engine lasts almost forever.
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Absolute crap. Having owned over 100 Fords and Holdens made in Australia and a few European cars including my current BMW I can guarantee that the Fords and Holdens are worse than Skoda!!

Mitsubishi and Toyota are far better made and more reliable. If it were not for high import tax protection the union run Australian car industry would die in just the same way as Britisk Leyland died in UK.

A patriot who supports inefficiency and bad working practices by a non competitive car manufacturing industry has their priorities wrong.

What we need is a quality Australian car that doesn't need protection and can go into the world and compete with the best. How many Fords and Holdens do we export? :mad:
 
Originally posted by Frodo






What we need is a quality Australian car that doesn't need protection and can go into the world and compete with the best. How many Fords and Holdens do we export? :mad:
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I'm pretty sure Holden export a lot of cars to the Middle East??

I drive a Holden, and it's brilliant, although admittedly not made in Australia:D
 

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I've owned both, and a few others besides, so here is my take on Holden vs Ford from a guy who isn't terribly impressed by either :

- Holdens are slightly better built than Fords, but both are terrible.

- Fords are usually better looking than Holdens, but Holdens have much better attention to detail than Fords

- Holdens are usually a bit better on fuel than Fords, but Fords are usually a bit faster in a straight line than Holdens

- Holdens mostly go around corners better than Fords, but Fords can handle dirt roads better than Holdens.

- Holdens have a bit more room inside than Ford, and the interior is a nicer place to be than in a Ford too.

There is little bteween the cars really, but both cars are fukken terrible when you compare them to Toyota or even Mitsubishi.

They are crudely engineered and crudely built. The quality is appalling, as is the packaging.

The engines in both vehicles feature an engineering philiosophy that belongs in the 1930's.

Both cars have totally unaccpetable fuel consumption levels.

Both cars are prone to breakdown, ongoing and very annoying component failure, and by the time you've got all the 'bugs' on your brand new Holden or Ford sorted out, its time for the thing to start rusting away or the trim to fall apart.

Do yourself a favour and buy a Toyota - now thats a 21st Century car. Not these badly made, unreliable and crudely finished dinosaurs called Falcons and Commodores !

cheers
 
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel

- Fords are usually better looking than Holdens, but Holdens have much better attention to detail than Fords

- Holdens are usually a bit better on fuel than Fords, but Fords are usually a bit faster in a straight line than Holdens

- Holdens have a bit more room inside than Ford, and the interior is a nicer place to be than in a Ford too.
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Holdens have always been a step ahead of Ford in terms of how they look. Even from the late eighties, where the sleeker looking VK/VL was up against (boxes such as) the XE/XF. VR/VS looked a lot better than the EF/EL. Even in the more recent models, VT/VX comare favourably to the AU etc..... in looks, they're all class when compared to similar Toyota models.

Fords are a lot better on fuel than Holdens -- Ever wonder why 90% of taxis are Fords? Fords are also roomier, but Holdens aren't too bad... especially when compared to say .... Toyotas. ;)

And as for your other points: You're implying that Toyotas and other models other than Ford/Holden don't come out with bugs in certain models?

Engines? V6 came out with the Vn in 1989 .... maybe your argument hold some credence with Ford's (and their straight 6), but even that came out in the 1960's. And I guess the brand new generation 3 chev in some models is outadated and from the 1930's too, BSA? Or the twin cam turbo (which is being touted as the engine for the new range)?

Actually, I wonder when was Toyota's last major change and improvement in engine engineering, BSA? And how much more fuel efficient are they when comparing similar engine classes? What engineering technology is the (far superior :rolleyes: ) Toyota Avalon using? ... wouldn't be the same as the current Holden Commodore would it? ;)
 
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Holdens V6, first introduced in 1988 is a copy of a an American Buik engine that has been around since the mid-1970's.

Its pure 1930's in its design and engineereing philosophy though. Its cast iron for a start, it has cast iron cylinder heads with two valves per cylinder, the valves are operated by pushrods, its also nearly 4 litres in capacity and runs a modest compression ratio.

It does the job, buts its noisy and harsh, and won't rev much over 5000 rpm.

In short, Holdens current six-cylinder engine is crude, heavy, inefficent, noisy and unreliable. Cast iron ohv engines were all the rage in the 1930's, but at the start of the 21st century, these lumps should be retrired to the Wreckers Yards.

Fords engine is just as bad, at least it has an overhead camshaft, but in all other respects, ist just another dumb lump of cast iron producing modest power with lots of fuel consumption, lots of noise and lots of harshness.

BMW can show what CAN be done with a straight six engine - Fords effort is an international automotive embarrassment by comparison.

Toyota's main six cylinder engine is the epitomy of how a late 20th century petrol motor should be -

- Block and head are bolth aluminium, weighs much less than cast iron, is easier to cast than cast iron, disperses heat more quickly than cast iron, and is not as brittle as cast iron.

- Cylider heads are well set up for efficent engine breathing, every cylinder is fed by four valves, the head is crossflow, the combustion chamber is a perfect hemispherical shape inside. The piston are slighly domed.

- There are two overhead camshafts per bank of cylinders.

- Clean, emmission-free combustion is designed into the engine, not tacked onto the outside of it, like an afterthought.

- At 3 litres, the Toyota engines is considerably smaller and much more fuel efficient that either the Ford or Holden motors.

I look foward in eager anticipation to the new motors soon to be developed by both Ford and Holden, they can't come sooon enough !

cheers
 

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