"Homophobia"

[ah_19]

i was just reading the other thread and i came along this


"Now, now BSA....let's not get nasty......McCartney5 has the perfect right to expose his own small minded ignorance to the rest of the world. "

Why is it being against homosexuality suddenly "ignorant"
Every time anyone expresses this view they are bombarded wtih condescending new age "Redneck/Ignorant fool" rhetoric.

i for one find it offensive that people who are against homosexuality are called Homophobes. Why? because its false, it flatters them and attempts to substantiate thier way of life and place our oppinion in the wrong. We are not afraid of it, of what you do, the people who are against it are simply disghusted by it. And we have a right to say so.

It has always been looked down upon as one of the most disghusting acts human beings could commit. Up to very recently it has been regarded as a crime.

The way i see it its very simple. If you beleive in God (torah/bible/koran), there is NO way that you can say this is condoned if you have actually read gods books. The punishment for it is death, yet it is seeping into mainstream religion as the norm. Any objection to it being allowed in religion can easily be quelled by 1 example. The town of Lut. This town was destroyed because its inhabitants insisted on practicing homosexuality.

If you dont beleive in God then you beleive in nature, because you can see it for yourself. Such actions are against nature, against the very reason of our existance, It is agaisnt the nature of the world and of our own existance to be homosexuals. There is no animal in the world that chooses to have sex with its own sex, rather than with the opposite sex. Give ANY animal a male and a female and it will choose its opposite.

Most people say that you can see the occasional animal having homosexual sex, ive yet to see such a thing. If its true so what, youre using the basis of animal behaviour to justify the actions of humans, surely we have more dignity and are greater than Animals? If not shall we start rolling around in our own Remains, or perhaphs we should start to lick each others behinds and our own privates, after all animals do it.

Men and Woman belong together, by nature and god and logic, i dont know how such a thing can be accepted, when you really think of what it means, how can you stand not to be disghusted by it.

 

[mandy]

Please tell me you're not serious...............

 

[mantis]

Homophobic christian.

 

[meg]

Originally posted by mandy5
Please tell me you're not serious...............

I agree

 

[DEES RULE!]

Homosexuality is only considered wrong because of small minded people who are too caught up with religion that was written thousands of years ago.
If it says in the Torah that you should stone a gay man, are you really gonna go out and stone gay man?
I mean the Torah (sorry i dont know the rest very well) says you should have at least 3 wives... how many people in this world have 3 wives and actually considered normal??
What people choose to do is their own personal matters, and it is no ones place to tell them how they should live their life.
I find it highly offensive that people use words like "****" as an insult, because that is the sole reason why homosexuality is looked down upon by so many people, because they think its wrong, they think its an insult.

 

[gPhonque]

It's all about tolerance ah_19.

The sad thing is, 95% of people (including yourself) have no tolerance for things they don't like. (such as homosexuals, or Christians, or Muslims etc)

People (such as yourself) need to realise that the one goal in life should be to better yourself as a person. And with that comes learning to tolerate others. But until everybody realises this, there's always going to be the racists, homophobes, (such as yourself) and others who are completely ignorant as to what their purpose on this planet really is.

Hitler may have been a good politician, but he had no idea what he was really doing here.

Do you?

Anyone who disagrees with homosexuality (such as yourself) should simply ask themselves why. I challenge you to come up with a sensible & tolerant answer.

Surely you can't seriously be basing your argument on religion? Something that was made up purely as a means to control people?

I actually find it disturbing that the majority of people on this planet base their lives around something that nobody even knows exists. It's about time the world opened its eyes....

 

[The Hitman]

Originally posted by meg


I agree

I second that motion!

The Hitman

 

[dee_girl9]

Originally posted by ah_19

Men and Woman belong together, by nature and god and logic, i dont know how such a thing can be accepted, when you really think of what it means, how can you stand not to be disghusted by it.

It is accpeted becuase we live in a society where people are given the FREEDOM to express pretty much anything we want.

We have freedom of religion

Freedom of Speech

Freedom of sexuality

freedom to live our own life.

Basically freedom to choose whatever the hell we wanna do. Now if that freedom means we live our live sexually involved with a person of the same sex as us, then so be it....u cant judge people on that.. We cant go around telling people how to live their lives...

If people wanna go and be involved in same sex relationships, they r entitled to. and they should be allowed to. Now sure there are people out there, that have a problem with that. There are people out there who have a problem with people from different religions, different races, and different nationalities....SO!!!! If they dont like it, then they shouldn't get involved..For some people that might be "normal" to them. They might not now better. But then again what is normal for u, might not be normal for me.


Do homosexuals do any harm to society? NO!

Do they live in cages, and lead sheltered lives? Only when narrow minded people make them.

Are they the same as the next person YES!!! and why shouldnt they be. What goes on in peoples private lives, is nothing to do with us........And for u too think something like that is disgusting, well GET WITH THE TIMES!!! this is the 21st century, and homosexuality is more a part of this culture than hetrosexuality

 

[lioness]

Live and let live.

I have a friend who was beaten within an inch of his life by a bunch of these people who believe homosexuality is wrong. I have another friend who took his life due to the pressures of society on this issue. I have a ton of gay friends, I have seen them kiss and stuff, AND I have seen how happy they are. And that's what it's all about to me. If it makes you happy, how can it be wrong. These are people who's only crime is they are attracted to the opposite sex. Most of the time you don't even KNOW they're any different. Society's attitudes make me truly sick. You might think it's really funny to call someone a '****' or stuff, but really, it's none of your business. Or in many cases, what kind of damage you are doing to someone. Like I said, live and let live.

 

[eagleskickass]

I'll start of by saying I am a christian, but my beliefs on this issue aren't exactly as that may make them seem immediately. As is now happening, homosexuality is not condoned, or excepted by christianity, nor should it be, BUT, i do not believe in judging people because of it. Religious leaders are marching in mardi gras to show that even though they may be going against christianity, they are still people, people that God Loves and wants to turn to him. I could never be a homosexual, but i don't mind people who are, it is their choice, and being momophobic doesn't get us anywhere.

 

[mandy]

Originally posted by eagleskickass
I could never be a homosexual, but i don't mind people who are, it is their choice,

Um, no, I don't think so. I don't think it's something anyone "chooses" to be, any more than you "chose" to be hetrosexual. You are what you are. That's it.

Did you "choose" to be hetrosexual? Or have you just always known you are? Goes both ways, you know.

 

[lioness]

Originally posted by mandy5


Um, no, I don't think so. I don't think it's something anyone "chooses" to be, any more than you "chose" to be hetrosexual. You are what you are. That's it.

Did you "choose" to be hetrosexual? Or have you just always known you are? Goes both ways, you know.

Very true Mandy. I know of no homosexual people who have 'chosen' their lifestyle. In fact, I know a few who would rather they WEREN'T, just so they can be 'normal' which is a symptom of society's blindness.

 

[ah_19]

It's all about tolerance ah_19.

The sad thing is, 95% of people (including yourself) have no tolerance for things they don't like. (such as homosexuals, or Christians, or Muslims etc)

People (such as yourself) need to realise that the one goal in life should be to better yourself as a person. And with that comes learning to tolerate others. But until everybody realises this, there's always going to be the racists, homophobes, (such as yourself) and others who are completely ignorant as to what their purpose on this planet really is.

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On the contrary, i am a very tolerant person, that doesnt mean i cant be disghusted by such actions, i dont tolerate other disghusting behaviour by human beings, and i dont see anything wrong with this. We all have values that we judge what we tolerate.

In greece a few thousand years ago people "though shalt not covet though neighbours wife" didnt apply to the kids, , dont touch the neighbours wife, but do what you want with thier kids, pedophelia was normal, legal and accepted, anyone who objected was bigoted and stupid. The first senator to question it in parliment was speared to death there and then. It was normal in society, no one thought it was wrong, i am sure they would think you were intolerant if you suggested they were disghsting.

Answer me something.
if its something people just "are" why?
Something went wrong wtih them and nature didnt want them to reproduce?
I realise this may sound bigoted/small minded but that is a serious question, if its "natural" in nature, then seriously, why?
did nature create something that it didnt want to reproduce?
Because if people just "are" gay then this is a question that needs answering. The logical conclusion is that they are a threat to nature so devastating that thier genetic line must stop being produced.
Doubt it? yes, so do i, i dont beleive a human being can be such a thing, .....thus i dont beleive that being gay is normal, i beleive it is wrong, by god or by nature.

 

[mandy]

What disgusts me ah_19 is people like you. People who feel a need to judge other people when they have no idea other than the bigoted and moronic crap that keeps them safe and warm in their narrow-minded little worlds.

How dare you judge anyone, or question their life styles! Who are you? Are you some perfect human being, pure and righteous? Or do you just perceive yourself to be that way while standing there on your soapbox?

This is a big world we live in, with many diverse and interesting people. We need to not just be tolerant, but accepting of ALL people who are doing no harm to anyone.

You will be a much happier person if you learnt to accept everyone for WHO they are, not for WHAT you think they are.

 

[DEES RULE!]

Originally posted by ah_19

Answer me something.
if its something people just "are" why?
Something went wrong wtih them and nature didnt want them to reproduce?
I realise this may sound bigoted/small minded but that is a serious question, if its "natural" in nature, then seriously, why?
did nature create something that it didnt want to reproduce?
Because if people just "are" gay then this is a question that needs answering. The logical conclusion is that they are a threat to nature so devastating that thier genetic line must stop being produced.
Doubt it? yes, so do i, i dont beleive a human being can be such a thing, .....thus i dont beleive that being gay is normal, i beleive it is wrong, by god or by nature.

Who said they don't reproduce? Many lesbian couples have IVF treatments, and many gay couples adopt kids.
Now i know adoption is not reproducing, but whats the point of reproducing in a world where people are dying of hunger, where people are so small minded they are stupid enough to think someone's way of life which is in no way harmful, is disgusting!
Im sorry but i think that you are just trying to find a justification for your homophobia and thats just wrong. You can look into the Bible and it'll tell you that being gay is wrong, but it'll also tell you million other things that you do not complie with. You can look into a science book and conclude that two males or two females cant reproduce together (although now thanks to technology they can). But find me one sentence from any book ever written where is says that some people were created "wrong" and not normal, and that those people were evidently called homosexuals.
Your opinion is yours to keep, but its also yours to live with, remember that next time you see a gay couple happy in each others company and think that instead of finding it disgusting you could except it, move on and deal with your own problems!

 

[mantis]

ah19

What would you do if your brother, sister or someone close to you told you they were gay, would you tell them they disgust you & stop caring about them.

 

[iceman]

Very touchy subject

Freedom of Sexuality should be respected by everyone

 

[Visro]

Originally posted by ah_19
Such actions are against nature, against the very reason of our existance, It is agaisnt the nature of the world and of our own existance to be homosexuals. There is no animal in the world that chooses to have sex with its own sex, rather than with the opposite sex. Give ANY animal a male and a female and it will choose its opposite.

DING DONG! Not true, there are quite a few animals, particularly those that live in packs that have sex with their same sex. Your argument falls apart there.

 

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

In a way I think homosexuality is wrong, but I also respect that homosexuals are people and have their own rights like anybody else... but saying that I will go out of my way to stay as far away as possible from them!

 

[Yianni]

Originally posted by ah_19


If you dont beleive in God then you beleive in nature

Also an incorrect premise there ah_19. That's not an accurate dichotomy you've established.

By your reasoning, people either believe in God or nature, and nothing else.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by ah_19
On the contrary, i am a very tolerant person, that doesnt mean i cant be disghusted by such actions, i dont tolerate other disghusting behaviour by human beings,

Disgusting in your eyes only. Notice how alone you are in this thread? You state below that "they are a threat to nature so devastating that their genetic line must stop being produced." Yet, you are the one by yourself here. You are the minority. Have you stopped to think that perhaps there's something wrong with you?

and i dont see anything wrong with this. We all have values that we judge what we tolerate.

Of course we do. And as you can probably tell, I don't tolerate people with narrowminded and intolerant (towards other peoples lives) views very well, but i'm trying to change that.

In greece a few thousand years ago people "though shalt not covet though neighbours wife" didnt apply to the kids, , dont touch the neighbours wife, but do what you want with thier kids, pedophelia was normal, legal and accepted, anyone who objected was bigoted and stupid. The first senator to question it in parliment was speared to death there and then. It was normal in society, no one thought it was wrong, i am sure they would think you were intolerant if you suggested they were disghsting.

Are you really this stupid? The difference is that pedophilia is hardly a nice lovely thing. You think the children of the time had fun? What, you think that the little 6 year old girl living next door to a big fat hairy pig of a man would just knock on the door and say "can you please **** me?" Come on man, grow up.

Why do you think it was outlawed?

Pedophilia hurts children. Physically and emotionally. THAT is why it was outlawed.

How are homosexuals hurting you?

It's no longer a crime to engage in sexual behaviour with a member of your own sex. Yet you can't seem to grasp that.

You don't speak for the majority of people these days i'm afraid. Just because something is disgusting in your eyes, surely you're not so narrowminded as to think that your opinion is always right. That would be sad.

You can feel how you like towards homosexuals; after all, you have a right to an opinion. But you need to realise that that's all it is. You can't say "homosexuality is wrong." And perhaps you should also realise that you are in the minority these days - doesn't that tell you something? Perhaps it's something you should change about yourself, and the way you look at life?

It really is the attitudes of people like you that drive gay people to take their lives. Coming to grips with the fact that he was gay was too much for one of my friends who killed himself. He didn't "choose" to be gay; so much so that he didn't want to live with the pressures that came with it.

 

[aggels]

ah_19, you're opinion absolutely disgusts me. But you won't mind me saying that of course.

I'm not even going to argue about whether homosexuality is "moral" or not, because that's not for me or for you to decide. What I would want to point out, is that there are a million things wrong with this world, and if you assume (which I don't) that homosexuality is one of them, it'd be so far down the list it's certainly not worth arguing about.

I'm a Christian, and proudly so, but when people start taking everything written in there for absolute truth, but only seeing the parts they want to see, they tend to use the book as a weapon. And when people use a book as a weapon... well that's when planes get flown through skyscrapers. You get my drift. I think that the bible is a guide how to live your life, and so if you believe in it, live your life that way. But remember, it's the bible that also tells you not to judge others, to love everyone, and to forgive. But again, some people will only see in the bible what they want to see.

As for it not being "natural", how many things did you do today that wasn't exactly "natural"? There aren't many computers in the wild, I wouldn't say. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[Sydneyfan]

Watch out ah_19, the Lord works in mysterious ways . . . .

You never know, you may be leading a happy 'normal' life when one of your children comes home and tells you that they are gay.

Would you kick them out of the house and turn your back on them?

Because that wouldn't be a very 'Christian' thing to do, even if they are a disgusting "****"

I didn't think that ignorance was a Christian virtue, though I may be wrong.

 

[Olmy]

Originally posted by mantis
Homophobic christian.

Zealous anti-Christian.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Olmy


Zealous anti-Christian.

If you aren't going to contribute to the debate then don't, I have given my reasons for why I have responded negatively to ah19, at least have the balls to post your opinions on the topic as well, although I suspect I already know what they are.

Oh & the reason I am no longer am christian is because of people like ah19 using the religion to justify their prejudices, when in fact they don't uphold the true teachings of "God", tolerance, understanding & forgiveness.

Just like the Taliban who twist the words in the Koran to treat the women as worthless beings & to justify their violent behaviour.