Hope for the future

[Rooosterboy]

I am sure there are better football brains out there than me on this board. (One of the few things I can be sure of ) So can anyone tell me, why, contrary to everything I read on the main board, I should be hopeful for next season.
All I read from the fans of other clubs is (as should be expected from opposing fans) disparaging reports on our Potential. Is it possible for someone to give me an unbiased review/preview of our playing list. Are we in for more rebuilding? Do we have anyone playing in another position who can swap into the role of speedy midfielder? Anything, jeez, when you support Collingwood, you are used to dissappointment sure, but it has gotten to a stage where I am just about desperate for anything. Cheer me up lads and lasses (it doesnt help when I am also a Newcastle United fan, the parallels between the two clubs go beyond the Black and White stripes believe me)

 

[Rooosterboy]

SO I take it there is NO hope for the future than?

 

[superfraser]

i havent watched alot of the pies this season..
but after the 2002 grand final loss to brisbane i really expected ryan lonie to be come one of our most dominant midfielders he had 30-32 touches in that game, if my memory serves me correctly, and he was in our top 5 best players. again this is all from memory, i haven't watched the game again since..

 

[tyk23]

i havent watched alot of the pies this season..
but after the 2002 grand final loss to brisbane i really expected ryan lonie to be come one of our most dominant midfielders he had 30-32 touches in that game, if my memory serves me correctly, and he was in our top 5 best players. again this is all from memory, i haven't watched the game again since..

He had 21 touches in the 2002 GF loss, was definently in our top 5

 

[superfraser]

He had 21 touches in the 2002 GF loss, was definently in our top 5

i'd like to say that was a typo? but it wasn't..
wowie.. i thought he had 30ish..
i put $5 on him for the 2003 brownlow.. wasted money, prob didn't even poll a vote.. i've always thought it was in the 30's..

 

[tyk23]

Nope, the only one to get 30+ possies was Buckley. I do not really know what MM is trying to do with Lonie this year? I would really like to see him on a wing but has been playing fairly good on a HFF recently

 

[Murray]

SO I take it there is NO hope for the future than?

No - no hope
Wooden spoon for us
(there you go, is that what you wanted to here?)

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Collingwood won't make the finals, next year, because we are going through the development stages. Nathan Buckley is most likely going to retire at the end of next year, so we have prob 2-3 years on the bottom half of things, but if we can turn Cameron Cloke, Heath Shaw, Luke Shackleton, Brent Hall, Brayden Shaw and Justin Crow all into good players who can be strong in there respective positions, then we might have a good side.

We might get rid of Mick Malthouse along with Buckley and develop a young side with a young and innexperienced coach, say Gavin Brown or Guy McKenna and lead the club to a premiership.

I am looking forward into seeing Josh Fraser lead the side out onto the ground

 

[Presti_is_god]

You really are clueless arent u lonie from 50.

 

[Borne Again]

Judging by some of our younger players, we have a decent future, if we don't have as many injuries to our better players like we have this season.

 

[Presti_is_god]

Lonie you need to calm down and make ur posts readable.

I criticised your post because i think your comment on getting rid of Bucks and Mick is stupid imo. Mick is a good coach top 4 in the league. Gavin Borwn and Guy McKenna are totally inexperienced and not upto scratch coaches. If they were why arent they getting interviewed by Hawks etc. Maybe in the future(5yrs+) they might be AFL head coach material but certainly not any time soon.

The other thing is that you have totally forgotten about the mid range players..Tarrant,Lockyer,Licuria,Rocca,Presti,Clement,Holland,Johnosn,Lonie,J.Cloke. In combination with Bucks,Burns and Wakes and the younger guys like C.Cloke,Maxwell,Rowe,Walker,King. The club WILL make the finals next season.(OMG im positive!!)

We should have made finals this year but we were unlucky with injury and suspension at the wrong times.

 

[bucksisbest]

Collingwood won't make the finals, next year, because we are going through the development stages. Nathan Buckley is most likely going to retire at the end of next year, so we have prob 2-3 years on the bottom half of things, but if we can turn Cameron Cloke, Heath Shaw, Luke Shackleton, Brent Hall, Brayden Shaw and Justin Crow all into good players who can be strong in there respective positions, then we might have a good side.

We might get rid of Mick Malthouse along with Buckley and develop a young side with a young and innexperienced coach, say Gavin Brown or Guy McKenna and lead the club to a premiership.

I am looking forward into seeing Josh Fraser lead the side out onto the ground

LOL.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

LOL.

Yeah, It was funny, ********ER

Just shows some depth in how I analyse AFL Football on my personal opinions doesn't it.

Why did Nathan Buckley come out in July to say that he is thinking of turning down captaincy, before retirement!!! You probably didn't hear that, because you were too busy joining into conversations with stupid immature comments like your last.

And another reason on why it looks like Buckley is considering to do this in 2005 and 2006, is that Josh Fraser and Tarkyn Lockyer are now getting regular gigs in Press Confrences and Bucks isn't!!!

And as for the development stage, I can see our list and we do have a pretty good starting 18-22. But has anybody considered looking into the depth of our list. In 2002 it was good, in 2003 it was below average, in 2004 it is poor.

I can also see two stars in the future being Dane Swan and Mark McGough to do a Heath Scotland, because of limited opportunity!!!

Oh well, laugh all you want bucks is best, I know my posts have been a bit off lately, just a bad patch i guess, but bigfooty is poo anyway.

 

[leonmagic]

Hey lonie_from_50,

delete some of your PM's - it's full.

 

[guess_who]

There is no need at collingwood for a full scale re-development. We have the core group of youngsters and some experience to take us forward. We do how ever need to draft smartly and also trade aggresively. I think that collingwood need to clean out some of the players that are simply on the list to fill numbers.

Personally I think that Injury has most certainly riddled us this year, but my personal main concern is the fact that we are soft. EG Sydney game-sydney was harder at the ball, got there first, wanted it more, where prepared to risk more and there fore got it this also happend on Anzac day and against Melbourne just to name a couple.

Collingwood is a bunch of front running young soft players. Some of these players are skillfull and have the talent to win games of their own boot. The frontrunners part is also slowly but surely fading out. That how ever does not fix the problem that we are soft. when it comes down to it Buckley, Clement, J.Cloke and Wakelin are the only players that will go in hard with out thinking twice. That is what we need more of.

It frustrates me to tears to watch playrs like Holland, Woey, Lonie arrive at a contest and loos the contest simply because the opisition wants the ball more. I don't believe that there is need for mass clean out just get rid of a few and improve the skill level, Tarrants goal gicking, and make sure players grow some balls. That I believe will make us a stronger force in 2005 then this year.

 

[guess_who]

L_F_50

Yes i agree that our depth this year is poo, and last year probably as well. You have to look at it logically and think about why it is so. I believe the reason is our recent sucess and very little injuries. Young players simply have not had the opportunity to grow in stature in the AFL and this year we have had to throw some younguns in the deep end and some will survive others wont. This year will improve our depth for a few more years.

 

[Rival_V]

I am sure there are better football brains out there than me on this board. (One of the few things I can be sure of ) So can anyone tell me, why, contrary to everything I read on the main board, I should be hopeful for next season.
All I read from the fans of other clubs is (as should be expected from opposing fans) disparaging reports on our Potential. Is it possible for someone to give me an unbiased review/preview of our playing list. Are we in for more rebuilding? Do we have anyone playing in another position who can swap into the role of speedy midfielder? Anything, jeez, when you support Collingwood, you are used to dissappointment sure, but it has gotten to a stage where I am just about desperate for anything. Cheer me up lads and lasses (it doesnt help when I am also a Newcastle United fan, the parallels between the two clubs go beyond the Black and White stripes believe me)

Next year shall be interesting.

Thats all you could really say.