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[rammbo]

Well taking a wild guess then posting it to back up your argument comes across desperate FYI

why would i hav to try back up anything i post ,its my opinion and ill stand by what i say, its also
my opinion you hav nfi so why would i care, anyhow carry on you make me laugh .

 

[Vitriol]

I think people should go and watch Rnd 6 against brisbane when Luke Power was carving us up. Guess who went to him and shut him out of the game?

 

[Morro]

why would i hav to try back up anything i post ,its my opinion and ill stand by what i say, its also
my opinion you hav nfi so why would i care, anyhow carry on you make me laugh .

Sadly you don't make me laugh. I'm actually embarrassed for you

Are you now trying to say you didnt try and back up your post with made up stats haha you get better and better. Well played sir haha

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I think people should go and watch Rnd 6 against brisbane when Luke Power was carving us up. Guess who went to him and shut him out of the game?

He did the job the week before on Boomer Harvey. Absolutely nailed him.

 

[CallMeAl]

how could that be? he's unaccountable......

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

how could that be? he's unaccountable......[/QUOT

Don't know why they perservered with him. Surprised he wasn't delisted at years end.

That tackle on Adam Goodes looked very unaccountable to me in Rd 22.

 

[rammbo]

Sadly you don't make me laugh. I'm actually embarrassed for you

Are you now trying to say you didnt try and back up your post with made up stats haha you get better and better. Well played sir haha

Wasnt really trying to back up my post with that observation of houlis poor one on one ability i was more trying to explain how i see accountability .if you get back on your opponent and you dont at least kill the contest you hav not accounted for your opponent yeah . You may do better saving your haha s for when teasing your little brother .

 

[Morro]

Wasnt really trying to back up my post with that observation of houlis poor one on one ability i was more trying to explain how i see accountability .if you get back on your opponent and you dont at least kill the contest you hav not accounted for your opponent yeah . You may do better saving your haha s for when teasing your little brother .

The underwelming support of your argument should tell u something. Take off the blinkers Rammbo.

And leave my little bro out Of this

 

[rammbo]

The underwelming support of your argument should tell u something. Take off the blinkers Rammbo.

And leave my little bro out Of this

Im well aware that if you post something which appears negative on here you do get jumped on by the sooks that only want to hear positives and of course houili has done well in the areas i hav criticised at times just not enough and he must improve in these areas wich he just may do.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

This whole " HBF is so easy to play, its the easiest position on the field blah blah" crap is so annoying.

Many times during the year, Houli was playing on some dangerous players yet still had a good impact on the game.

Its not like he was left in the backline as a loose man without an opponent.

His role is not easy IMO, you still have to defend like a maniac but also you have to attack attack attack at all costs. This role actually requires, great skill, great decision making and an elite tank.

Im so sick of blokes, who have probably barely played the game telling many of us that the backline play makers all have it easy.

Morro I never stated he was left loose in the backline without an opponent, however I do think the rebounding defending role , which has the primary role of spreading from clearances , is one of the easiest in the game, and has seen a number of players worth inflated . Tambling, Edwards, Connors and Houli are all players who have had their best seasons by far , IMO , when played within that role in the past 3-4 seasons alone .
Many I agree, confuse rebounding defender , with a unaccountability defender, IIRC Houli has often stated accountability is an area within his game that he needs to continue to work on .

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Morro I never stated he was left loose in the backline without an opponent, however I do think the rebounding defending role , which has the primary role of spreading from clearances , is one of the easiest in the game, and has seen a number of players worth inflated . Tambling, Edwards, Connors and Houli are all players who have had their best seasons by far , IMO , when played within that role in the past 3-4 seasons alone .
Many I agree, confuse rebounding defender , with a unaccountability defender, IIRC Houli has often stated accountability is an area within his game that he needs to continue to work on .

I would say the every player in the AFL spends at least 50% of their training regime working on this part of their game. I'm sure it is sinking in with Houli because is one that works hard on his game is a terrific citizen and all up has had a great year.

Good on you Bachar!

 

[Morro]

Morro I never stated he was left loose in the backline without an opponent, however I do think the rebounding defending role , which has the primary role of spreading from clearances , is one of the easiest in the game, and has seen a number of players worth inflated . Tambling, Edwards, Connors and Houli are all players who have had their best seasons by far , IMO , when played within that role in the past 3-4 seasons alone .
Many I agree, confuse rebounding defender , with a unaccountability defender, IIRC Houli has often stated accountability is an area within his game that he needs to continue to work on .

Fair response, but they are only instructed to spread when we are in control, not when the opposition has the ball. When the opposition have the ball they are expected to defend. The fact he played this position so well with so little support(our mids dont help out as much as the better teams and our defence isnt as good as the better teams) deserves more praise and respect. Many experts are praising Leon and Yarran for their seasons but IMO Houli deserves as much credit as he did it in one of the worst defensive sides in the comp not a top 4-8 team.

Yes he acknowledged he needs to improve in this area and he did and will probably continue to, but to say he was bad defensively is crap.(you may or not have said this, but others have)

 

[Morro]

Im well aware that if you post something which appears negative on here you do get jumped on by the sooks that only want to hear positives and of course houili has done well in the areas i hav criticised at times just not enough and he must improve in these areas wich he just may do.

Just because people dont agree with you does not make them sooks

In fact I would say we are harder on our players than most boards, sometimes to the point of embarrassment.

 

[rammbo]

Just because people dont agree with you does not make them sooks

In fact I would say we are harder on our players than most boards, sometimes to the point of embarrassment.

You like to twist the meanings of posts around morro, mabe I should type alot slower for you in the future.

 

[Spluff]

He did the job the week before on Boomer Harvey. Absolutely nailed him.

Flogged Aaron Davey as well.

I don't think he's unaccountable at all. I think (particularly in the early part of the year), he wasn't comfortable in demanding physical situations (backing into packs, laying strong tackles, breaking through tackles), which is very different to being unaccountable. To his credit, he improved out of sight in this area as the year went on. His job now is to improve or at the very least, maintain his end of year capabilities in these areas, because as we've all seen in the past, it can be easy to slide backwards after a breakout season.

 

[Morro]

You like to twist the meanings of posts around morro, mabe I should type alot slower for you in the future.

Haha please forgive me for calling you out

And if that's not the case, make it clearer what you in fact mean, as I can assure you the speed of your typing is not affecting my comprehension, not really sure how it could tbh

Anyway, back on topic.......................

Houli had a year comparable to most of the HBF's/play makers in the comp from at least the half way point of he season. Cant ask for much more than that, especially when you add his goals from outside 50 and his shots on goal.

I think the confusion on here is between unaccountable and strong in a 1 on 1 contest. I think he is as accountable as anyone playing his role and improved out of sight in his 1 on 1 work taking some serious scalps along the way which most seem to agree with.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

]Fair response, but they are only instructed to spread when we are in control, not when the opposition has the ball. When the opposition have the ball they are expected to defend. The fact he played this position so well with so little support(our mids dont help out as much as the better teams and our defence isnt as good as the better teams) deserves more praise and respect. Many experts are praising Leon and Yarran for their seasons but IMO Houli deserves as much credit as he did it in one of the worst defensive sides in the comp not a top 4-8 team.
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Yes he acknowledged he needs to improve in this area and he did and will probably continue to, but to say he was bad defensively is crap.(you may or not have said this, but others have)

I totally agree with the points you've made here , the ability of rebounding defenders to get into space significantly diminishes as teams start putting time into limiting their rebounding run , which IMO has been proven in the case of Yarran and Davis . It also further highlights how good Newman has been, to sustain his form for a long time in a lesser side, within this type of role .
Sides will no doubt put more time into limiting Houli's rebounding from defence, how he responds and handles that extra attention is a big challenge . I hope he is able to come out on top , however I'm a little scepticle and as such are a little resistant to getting overly excited , just yet !

 

[rammbo]

Haha please forgive me for calling you out

And if that's not the case, make it clearer what you in fact mean, as I can assure you the speed of your typing is not affecting my comprehension, not really sure how it could tbh

Anyway, back on topic.......................

Houli had a year comparable to most of the HBF's/play makers in the comp from at least the half way point of he season. Cant ask for much more than that, especially when you add his goals from outside 50 and his shots on goal.

I think the confusion on here is between unaccountable and strong in a 1 on 1 contest. I think he is as accountable as anyone playing his role and improved out of sight in his 1 on 1 work taking some serious scalps along the way which most seem to agree with.

Not sure what calling me out means, as much as I disaggree with your assessment of houlis game I sure hope you r proven rite in the coming season and I was just hallucinating these weaknesses in his game which included lack of accountability,shitting his pants in aerial contests and one on ones.Houli did well by playing to his strengths this season and it worked to a treat most of the time but will he b found out like many of his type hav in the past in the coming seasons.

 

[Morro]

I totally agree with the points you've made here , the ability of rebounding defenders to get into space significantly diminishes as teams start putting time into limiting their rebounding run , which IMO has been proven in the case of Yarran and Davis . It also further highlights how good Newman has been, to sustain his form for a long time in a lesser side, within this type of role .
Sides will no doubt put more time into limiting Houli's rebounding from defence, how he responds and handles that extra attention is a big challenge . I hope he is able to come out on top , however I'm a little scepticle and as such are a little resistant to getting overly excited , just yet !

It seems for the most part we agree, I dont think people realise how damaging Newy would be in a Geelong or Pies line up.

It will be very interesting to see how it all pans out. With Newy, Houli, lids and maybe soon Batch, the opposition will have to let one of them run free from half back.