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We were meant to be top 4 in 2010, i know its still along way away but our boys dont look like their anywhere near that now. We have had several seasons to rebuild since our dominance in 2000-01. Yet we havnt seemed to make any steps forward or produce quality footballers.

I cant see us winning a flag for along time with the list we have, i think the dons need to rebuild again and continue to just play youth even if we lose games.

On our list which players can you see being apart of our next premiership tilt??
Hurley
Zaharakis
D.Myers
Reimers
Gumbleton
Houli
Ryder
Neagle
Prismall
Stanton

thats about it, even some of them are questionable. Winderlich, Davey and Jetta could also be considered but they need to go to another level in their games.

Im just sick of essendon being shit for such a long time, we need to develop players and create stars of the future. We need to look and see who will be our Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Ottens, Scarlett, Chapman ect type players.

Im really disappointed with our list the only good players on it at the moment who i rate are Stanton and Lovett (thank god we didnt give him up, hes possiby our best midfielder).

I just want to know don fans thoughts about when, how and what we can do to win our next flag. Which players should we keep and which players should go. How long do we give knights and is our development of players the worst of any clubs?:mad:
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
On our list which players can you see being apart of our next premiership tilt??
Hurley
Zaharakis
D.Myers
Reimers
Gumbleton
Houli
Ryder
Neagle
Prismall
Stanton

thats about it, even some of them are questionable. Winderlich, Davey and Jetta could also be considered but they need to go to another level in their games.
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Add Watson in that list, his only 23.

Oh and whats with Gumbleton being in that list? he hasn't shown anything thus far.

Im just sick of essendon being shit for such a long time, we need to develop players and create stars of the future.
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I don't think its that easy.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
We were meant to be top 4 in 2010, i know its still along way away but our boys dont look like their anywhere near that now. We have had several seasons to rebuild since our dominance in 2000-01. Yet we havnt seemed to make any steps forward or produce quality footballers.

I cant see us winning a flag for along time with the list we have, i think the dons need to rebuild again and continue to just play youth even if we lose games.

On our list which players can you see being apart of our next premiership tilt??
Hurley
Zaharakis
D.Myers
Reimers
Gumbleton
Houli
Ryder
Neagle
Prismall
Stanton

thats about it, even some of them are questionable. Winderlich, Davey and Jetta could also be considered but they need to go to another level in their games.

Im just sick of essendon being shit for such a long time, we need to develop players and create stars of the future. We need to look and see who will be our Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Ottens, Scarlett, Chapman ect type players.

Im really disappointed with our list the only good players on it at the moment who i rate are Stanton and Lovett (thank god we didnt give him up, hes possiby our best midfielder).

I just want to know don fans thoughts about when, how and what we can do to win our next flag. Which players should we keep and which players should go. How long do we give knights and is our development of players the worst of any clubs?:mad:
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Hang on...how come Jetta, Winders and davey need to lift to another level to be part of the next premiership team, when you have named Gumbleton, Zakka and Hurley (although he was so good last week) as a definite part of that team. The former three have shown a lot more than the latter three.

I agree that it's taking a bit longer than what i had hoped, but we just have to put faith in knights, even though i'm not his biggest fan..
 
I can see Hurley holding down full back and i see potential in him as a number 5 draft pick and also a domiant 18's carnival 2 years in a row. I think he has the qualities to hold down full back when we are looking at a premiership. With Zakka i picked him because he is young, but i might be jumping the gun after all most of our draft picks turn to rabble. He could be hitting his prmie 23-25 when we have a chance of our next flag. Gumbleton a number 2 draft pick who we know can play and has that ahtletic type body needed for CHF.

I shouldve added Winderlich to that list, i can see him going to elite if only he can stay on the park. As for Davey and Jetta sure they could play FP and have their roles. I want to see Jetta become a midfielder or running HBF?? thoughts on that.

Watson is nowhere near a good enough player. We have to look and see who will become our Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Bateman type players and develop them.

Our drafting has killed us
 

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Zaharakis
Reimers
Gumbleton
Houli
Neagle

You have the above players in your list, but don't include Davey? Davey has done more then them all combined for Essendon.

The below are players I think are clear AFL quality and are all 26 or under.

Davey
Gumbleton
Hurley
Lonergan
Lovett
McPhee
Myers
Pears
Prismall
Ryder
Stanton
Watson
Welsh

When you add that to older players who still have a few years in them.

Hille
McVeigh

And the guys that could be anything.

Houli
Dempsey
Reimers
Zaharakis
Winders
Neagle
Monfries
Laycock
Jetta
Bellchambers

You can see that we have a good group of players around on which to build, not needing some kind of drastic overhaul.
 
Need to keep our kids as injury free as possible and maximum game time into them. Couple that with playing our cards right over the next couple of seasons in the drafts with GC coming in and we will make our way up the table - realistically challenging for a flag in 2011/2012.
 
We need to spent some serious money on our recruiting staff.

Personally, I would like to see us try to get Pelchen across from Hawthorn. Might be a case of wishful thinking but the Hawthorn model from 3-4 years ago is something that we should be trying to follow.

Unfortunatly, we won't have access to the same quality of picks that they had due to the Gold Coast and W.Sydney.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
I can see Hurley holding down full back and i see potential in him as a number 5 draft pick and also a domiant 18's carnival 2 years in a row. I think he has the qualities to hold down full back when we are looking at a premiership. With Zakka i picked him because he is young, but i might be jumping the gun after all most of our draft picks turn to rabble. He could be hitting his prmie 23-25 when we have a chance of our next flag. Gumbleton a number 2 draft pick who we know can play and has that ahtletic type body needed for CHF.

I shouldve added Winderlich to that list, i can see him going to elite if only he can stay on the park. As for Davey and Jetta sure they could play FP and have their roles. I want to see Jetta become a midfielder or running HBF?? thoughts on that.

Watson is nowhere near a good enough player. We have to look and see who will become our Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Bateman type players and develop them.

Our drafting has killed us
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Yeah i like that, once he starts getting his hands on the ball 15+ times in a match he will become a very good player.

but......in my honest opinion watson>>lewis, bateman, they are both very good players, but they look better than they are because they play in a great side.

Watson and Lovett are our two best midfielders.
 

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anyone thinking we are a chance to win a flag in 2011 or 2012 are absolutly dreaming, we wont touch a flag for another 6-8 years. By that meaning have a chance in another 6-8 years. We dont have any premiership quality players. By this i mean not many.

Watson is usless, your so bias saying he is better than Bateman and Lewis. They are super quality mids.

Gold Coast, Carlton and Hawthorn will own the next 4-5 years.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
We were meant to be top 4 in 2010, i know its still along way away but our boys dont look like their anywhere near that now. We have had several seasons to rebuild since our dominance in 2000-01. Yet we havnt seemed to make any steps forward or produce quality footballers.

I cant see us winning a flag for along time with the list we have, i think the dons need to rebuild again and continue to just play youth even if we lose games.

On our list which players can you see being apart of our next premiership tilt??
Hurley
Zaharakis
D.Myers
Reimers
Gumbleton
Houli
Ryder
Neagle
Prismall
Stanton

thats about it, even some of them are questionable. Winderlich, Davey and Jetta could also be considered but they need to go to another level in their games.

Im just sick of essendon being shit for such a long time, we need to develop players and create stars of the future. We need to look and see who will be our Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Ottens, Scarlett, Chapman ect type players.

Im really disappointed with our list the only good players on it at the moment who i rate are Stanton and Lovett (thank god we didnt give him up, hes possiby our best midfielder).

I just want to know don fans thoughts about when, how and what we can do to win our next flag. Which players should we keep and which players should go. How long do we give knights and is our development of players the worst of any clubs?:mad:
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It's all about our injuries/availabilities. I still maintain that we would have been 7th or 8th last year without our injury run. I'm not going to comment on how to win the next flag, but I think with a consistently full playing list then we're a finals team, and that's where we need to be before talking flags.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
We have had several seasons to rebuild since our dominance in 2000-01.

A bunch of those seasons were under Sheedy, and many have come round to the fact that, Essendon legend though he is, he held up our rebuilding for years. This may have had to do with the board pressuring him to make finals instead of doing the modern rebuild (gossip?), but at any rate, Knights came in and got the (potential) premiership ball rolling. And Knights hasn't been here long.

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How long do we give knights and is our development of players the worst of any clubs?:mad:

Give Knights till the end of 2010. Not to win a premiership, but to see if his plan is working. I don't know much about the player development at other clubs, but I'm pretty damn excited about the way things are going at the EFC. Stanton, Watson, Monfries have a massive amount of games between them. The next tier (down) -- guys like Lonergan, Houli, Reimers, Prismall, Jetta -- are showing all the right signs for now, and the tier below that --Myers, Hurley, Zaka-- well, if you're not excited by them, you're stone. That kind layered thing thing, to a person like me (without much football knowledge) points to pretty good list development.
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At any rate, it's Essendon. Essendon will get around to winning a premiership sooner rather than later. It's understandable you're not used to dry spells -- neither am I -- but keep the faith!
 
thebigboy said:
We need to spent some serious money on our recruiting staff.

Personally, I would like to see us try to get Pelchen across from Hawthorn. Might be a case of wishful thinking but the Hawthorn model from 3-4 years ago is something that we should be trying to follow.

Unfortunatly, we won't have access to the same quality of picks that they had due to the Gold Coast and W.Sydney.
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Who's Pelchen picked up?

The bloke before him got Buddy, Roughead, Lewis, Sewell, Mitchell, Hodge. If anyone, we should chase that bloke.

But I think we should give the new dept with Keane a go first. It's been going only 1 year in it's new expanded form. Surely you knew this?
 
it seems like we have a lot of young talent, if we use this years draft well we shouldn't need to worry about 2010/2011 drafts too much. i feel like knights its taking the right steps towards getting our next flag so we just need to keep training up our youngsters and maybe in the future get some good trades. of course, we'll need to stop getting injured so much.

right now all we can do is hope for the best.
 

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Dunn - Well Done said:
anyone thinking we are a chance to win a flag in 2011 or 2012 are absolutly dreaming, we wont touch a flag for another 6-8 years. By that meaning have a chance in another 6-8 years. We dont have any premiership quality players. By this i mean not many.

Watson is usless, your so bias saying he is better than Bateman and Lewis. They are super quality mids.

Gold Coast, Carlton and Hawthorn will own the next 4-5 years.
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And your a ****ing douchebag for saying hes useless. He is our only player who consistently wins 25+ hard possessions a game, runs all day and never stops trying. Disposal is not great, but has improved a lot and will undoubtedly continue to do so.

You, sir, are a useless supporter.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
Watson is usless, your so bias saying he is better than Bateman and Lewis. They are super quality mids.
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And this is the point where I start ignoring this thread.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
anyone thinking we are a chance to win a flag in 2011 or 2012 are absolutly dreaming, we wont touch a flag for another 6-8 years. By that meaning have a chance in another 6-8 years. We dont have any premiership quality players. By this i mean not many
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While I think we're still 4-5 years off challenging, it's unfair to say we have barely any 'premiership quality' players, considering most of our playing list is either too young or hasn't been on the park enough to make a judgement.
We know Hille, McVeigh, Welsh, Davey, Lonergan, and Lovett are. I believe Winderlich, Stanton, Watson, Reimers, Ryder and Monfries & Stanton will be.
The jury's still out on Dempsey, Gumbleton, Atkinson, Laycock, Houli, Neagle, Hocking, Jetta, Prismall, and Slattery.
Then there's the promise of our latest batch including Zaharakis, Still, T. Slattery, Pears, Myers, Hurley, Hooker, Daniher, Bellchambers.

I don't think that's overly optimistic, or "bias" as you put it (for the record, it's "biased", unless you're somebody posessing "bias"). I think that's a pretty fair assessment, so I disagree with you there.

Watson is usless, your so bias saying he is better than Bateman and Lewis. They are super quality mids.
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Considering at stages last year he was one of the leading clearance players in the league, and along with Hille, was statistically the best Ruck-Rover combination, I again, disagree. He has a top-notch football brain, with elite ability to get the ball close in, find space and spot a player to dish out to. I think most knocks (especially on BF) are regarding his kicking skills, as well as lack of defensive side. His kicking, while not elite, has shown some improvement this year, and if he can improve his kicking efficiency to somewhere around 70-80%, I think that will make him an A-Grade midfielder. If that happens, I think you'll find most clubs will be more inclined to put a close-tag on him. If it doesn't, he's still a vital cog in our midfield, with the ability to dish it out to the Stantons and Lovetts.
 
Slattery_20 said:
Who's Pelchen picked up?

The bloke before him got Buddy, Roughead, Lewis, Sewell, Mitchell, Hodge. If anyone, we should chase that bloke.

But I think we should give the new dept with Keane a go first. It's been going only 1 year in it's new expanded form. Surely you knew this?
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Of course and its a comment made after looking over past errors.
 
We will not win a flag before 2015 probably closer to 2020. We will have to wait until the next period when the draft is not compromised by GC and rebuild from there. This unfortunate wait is due to wasting time with "older rehash players/bad trades/poor future planning" under sheedy, then some absolutely woeful recruiting, bad luck with injury and a general lack of understanding about list management. I will however, continue to support the boys through this period without losing faith in my club but we can't challenge for the flag with the current group.
 
rines said:
then some absolutely woeful recruiting,
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Given we're talking about 2015, I'll assume that 2003 is the absolutely last year we're talking about.

Examples?
 

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