How do you rate Judkins performance

[1980GFVideo]

Not trolling. Have a mate who is Collingwood supporters so we discuss both our teams. Just wanted your input.

Just wanted to know how you rated Judkins.

He was the first real coup of the Maguire era because at Essendon he had pulled rabbits out of hats.

Hird at 90 odd in the draft,Wanganeen also credited to him.

He left Essendon when Sheedy slagged him off for not picking up Martin Pike. (Maybe Sheeds likes being headbutted).

You did replace your Wildes and Goddens with Tarrents and Leon Davis' pretty quickly as soon as he came. Has he been good for you overall. Couple of GFs probably indicates he was.

 

[Stan.]

Not trolling. Have a mate who is Collingwood supporters so we discuss both our teams. Just wanted your input.

Just wanted to know how you rated Judkins.

He was the first real coup of the Maguire era because at Essendon he had pulled rabbits out of hats.

Hird at 90 odd in the draft,Wanganeen also credited to him.

He left Essendon when Sheedy slagged him off for not picking up Martin Pike. (Maybe Sheeds likes being headbutted).

You did replace your Wildes and Goddens with Tarrents and Leon Davis' pretty quickly as soon as he came. Has he been good for you overall. Couple of GFs probably indicates he was.

He started well by picking tazz with his first pick, but its been all down hill since then.

Apparently he has had depression for a while and i dont blame him, i get depressed myself when i look at his drafting record.

The likes of nixon, shack, roach, king, lokans, shaws, clokes etc etc have hurt us badly and will guarantee a bleak period in the coming years.

I dont think his recruiting had such an effect as to have us in 2 grandfinals i think that was more due too a good run with injuries and a soft draw.

Overall id say it was time he ********ed off and we got someone who can better recognize young talent and who can stand up to the coach in a bit more of
a stronger fashion.

 

[goalpie]

As far as I can see, young players will never make much impact if they never get given a decent go. Malthouse is very similar to Matthews, stick with older players. Scotland should have been a regular, hes showing why now. As for Roach and Shakelton, they only got 10 minutes to set the world on fire. Nixion didnt get much more and to come to that Mullins didnt ever. As for the Clokes, only one of them has ever played any substancial footy. Jasons skills might not be the best in the team but I dont see many other players willing to back into the packs to take marks.

I wouldnt want to be a young player at Collingwood. You dont last long.

Judkins is far better than the one before.

 

[1980GFVideo]

if it was a game of cards..... ill see your Judkins and Raise you a Beck (our dud conveyer belt).

Tarrant was a beauty as I dont think he was that high in the draft.

Maybe He and Beck can get together and talk about thier one good call (Andrew Krakour) in all thier time at the club.

 

[Jabso]

His smokeys are good but his first round picks are questionable. Hopefully Egan can turn it around this time.

 

[Lockyer24]

To be fair he's had 6 picks taken off him with Clokes and Shaw's.

I think you'll find Derek Hine is our new head recruiter anyway.

 

[Jabso]

I think Judkins had the say on whether he wanted Heath Shaw or not though.

 

[Murray]

To be fair he's had 6 picks taken off him with Clokes and Shaw's.

I think you'll find Derek Hine is our new head recruiter anyway.

Correct.

Judkins just does some forward scouting for us now (I belive he gave away the main game due to ill health)

 

[YAKUZA]

His smokeys are good but his first round picks are questionable. Hopefully Egan can turn it around this time.

And what makes you think Egan was a Judkin choice?

 

[you idiot sheehan]

You have to look at each individual circumstance with drafted players.

1997: In his first draft he got Tarrant at 7 - by far the best player to come from that draft. Yet in the same draft he took Wasley one pick before Nick Stevens. What a blunder that was.

1998: In a very bleak draft gave pick 3 to Sydney for Licuria. A pretty good decision.

1999: Josh Fraser was pick 1 for 16 clubs. Pick 3 and C. King for McKee and Pick 7 was a good decision. McKee helped out depleted ruck stocks after Monkey's departure. Roach with Pick 7 was his worst performance to date. Apparantly he was a fine athlete, but injury prone. Played just the one game. B. Johnson was a beauty late - one of his best picks. Nick Stone was a no-risk with the last pick. R. Shaw with father-son, hmmm.

2000: I'm still happy with Didak at 3. Lonie was excellent value. We'll still end up in front with Jason Cloke - he got Trav to the club. Probably his best draft.

2001: Was the best year for anyone to finish bottom 3. Wasn't to be for us. Coley will turn out to be a fine selection. McGough was a good pick late. T. Walker at 77 is a great selection to date.

2002: Terrible draft. It's pretty tough when you're first pick's 16 (Woewodin). Nixon was a shocker though, even for where he was taken. C. Cloke was good value. Schaks was another shocker. D. King may yet be a good pick up late. All things being equal probably his worst draft.

2003: B. Morrison was relatively low risk at 17. Could go either way with him. B. Hall was meant to be a good pick up at the time - yet another project player. The Shaws with father-sons will end up being a good decision. Rowe at 60 something was a fantastic pick. Considering what we had, it was a good draft.

2004: If it weren't for those priority picks we would have had pick 4, and that was Richard Tambling. We certainly would not have traded that. Far too early to tell for all concerned. But very excited about Rusling. He could end up being one of his best picks.

If you digest all of that I think at best his performane is fair. If you take into account father-son, he's had some pretty awful picks to work with. How we would have loved for us to have come last in 2000 and 2001 as well.

I must declare, it didn't have my AFL guide handy when I did this. I'll go back and consult it and I'll update this if required.

 

[Nardz]

1999: Pick 3 and C. King for McKee and Pick 7 was a good decision.

are we forgetting that in picks to follow you had pavelich and haselby??

 

[hotpie]

Malthouse is very similar to Matthews, stick with older players.

Plenty of young kids have had plenty of game time under Malthouse, if they are good enough.

Examples
Fraser
Johnson
Lonie
Cole
Tarrant
J Cloke
Walker
Didak

This year you will see C Cloke, Richards, Maxwell and Rowe get a lot of game time. The problem with the younger players has generally not been lack of gametime, its been lack of ability. Not many Malthouse rejects have moved on to greener pastures and played better. Scotland is the most notable exception but even he was a regular in the 22 by the time he left Collingwood.

 

[you idiot sheehan]

are we forgetting that in picks to follow you had pavelich and haselby??

No, but we were depleted in the ruck, and we were 10 points in a Grand Final away from it being a master stroke. We wouldn't have got near the 2002 Grand Final if it weren't for McKee's efforts. 2002 QF Final against Port is a classic example.

 

[Bautista]

2001: Was the best year for anyone to finish bottom 3. Wasn't to be for us. Coley will turn out to be a fine selection. McGough was a good pick late. T. Walker at 77 is a great selection to date.

What has he done besides play one good Anzac match against the Dons? And didn't you guys delist him last year? Yeah, he was a real good pick......

 

[hotpie]

No, but we were depleted in the ruck, and we were 10 points in a Grand Final away from it being a master stroke. We wouldn't have got near the 2002 Grand Final if it weren't for McKee's efforts. 2002 QF Final against Port is a classic example.

There's other ways of recruiting ruckmen than giving away your number three pick. Better ruckmen than McKee too.

We could have won both flags with Pavlich and Everitt (and Rocca not suspended) in the side.

 

[you idiot sheehan]

What has he done besides play one good Anzac match against the Dons? And didn't you guys delist him last year? Yeah, he was a real good pick......

Have a look at where he was taken.

 

[you idiot sheehan]

There's other ways of recruiting ruckmen than giving away your number three pick. Better ruckmen than McKee too.

We could have won both flags with Pavlich and Everitt (and Rocca not suspended) in the side.

You're right, but I'm saying you just can't write off McKee's influence on the side in those years.

 

[celtic_pride]

There's other ways of recruiting ruckmen than giving away your number three pick. Better ruckmen than McKee too.

We could have won both flags with Pavlich and Everitt (and Rocca not suspended) in the side.

Your kiddin' right ?
Takes more than a decent ruckman to beat the Rampagin Lions.

 

[Ron]

Your kiddin' right ?
Takes more than a decent ruckman to beat the Rampagin Lions.

Did you even watch the 2002 Grand Final?
The reason we lost is beacuse Keating flogged us in the ruck, whipped us silly.
He was punching the ball 40 metres forward from the centre, and it killed us.
If we had Everitt or a decent ruckman in that game, i have no doubt we would of won.

 

[EB&W Pieman]

You have to look at each individual circumstance with drafted players.

1997: In his first draft he got Tarrant at 7 - by far the best player to come from that draft. Yet in the same draft he took Wasley one pick before Nick Stevens. What a blunder that was.

1998: In a very bleak draft gave pick 3 to Sydney for Licuria. A pretty good decision.

1999: Josh Fraser was pick 1 for 16 clubs. Pick 3 and C. King for McKee and Pick 7 was a good decision. McKee helped out depleted ruck stocks after Monkey's departure. Roach with Pick 7 was his worst performance to date. Apparantly he was a fine athlete, but injury prone. Played just the one game. B. Johnson was a beauty late - one of his best picks. Nick Stone was a no-risk with the last pick. R. Shaw with father-son, hmmm.

2000: I'm still happy with Didak at 3. Lonie was excellent value. We'll still end up in front with Jason Cloke - he got Trav to the club. Probably his best draft.

2001: Was the best year for anyone to finish bottom 3. Wasn't to be for us. Coley will turn out to be a fine selection. McGough was a good pick late. T. Walker at 77 is a great selection to date.

2002: Terrible draft. It's pretty tough when you're first pick's 16 (Woewodin). Nixon was a shocker though, even for where he was taken. C. Cloke was good value. Schaks was another shocker. D. King may yet be a good pick up late. All things being equal probably his worst draft.

2003: B. Morrison was relatively low risk at 17. Could go either way with him. B. Hall was meant to be a good pick up at the time - yet another project player. The Shaws with father-sons will end up being a good decision. Rowe at 60 something was a fantastic pick. Considering what we had, it was a good draft.

2004: If it weren't for those priority picks we would have had pick 4, and that was Richard Tambling. We certainly would not have traded that. Far too early to tell for all concerned. But very excited about Rusling. He could end up being one of his best picks.

If you digest all of that I think at best his performane is fair. If you take into account father-son, he's had some pretty awful picks to work with. How we would have loved for us to have come last in 2000 and 2001 as well.

I must declare, it didn't have my AFL guide handy when I did this. I'll go back and consult it and I'll update this if required.

Excellent objective summary. Complaining about blokes picked with selections 60+ (Lokan) is just plain silly. 2002 seemed to be his worst year -everyone else seemed to have dropped off Nixon, and Shackleton was a dead set gamble on the club being able to get him fit. Roach was the selection for which Noel will be forever lambasted, but people do forget how desperate we were for a ruckman. I guess we would all prefer to have Pavlich in our team.

 

[Jabso]

And what makes you think Egan was a Judkin choice?

What makes you think it wasn't?

 

[YAKUZA]

What makes you think it wasn't?

I don't think it wasn't I know it wasn't, I can assure you 100% that the person responsible for Egan being on your list is McGuire.

 

[YAKUZA]

Roach was the selection for which Noel will be forever lambasted, but people do forget how desperate we were for a ruckman. I guess we would all prefer to have Pavlich in our team.

From memory Roach played as a defender for the Tasmanian U18's and was drafted as such, I can't see how you could've possibly taken Pavlich unless you took him at 1 instead of Fraser.
Clearly one of his biggest blunders was getting Olarenshaw for pick 12 in 1998 given that Juddy had just come from Essendon and must have been aware that Olarenshaw was a crock. I know for a fact that he and MM had a big falling out over that in MM's first year.

 

[coasting]

From memory Roach played as a defender for the Tasmanian U18's and was drafted as such, I can't see how you could've possibly taken Pavlich unless you took him at 1 instead of Fraser.

They could have had him at #3, where he was available, but the Pies traded that pick away before the draft for Stunning Steve Mckee and pick 7

 

[YAKUZA]

They could have had him at #3, where he was available, but the Pies traded that pick away before the draft for Stunning Steve Mckee and pick 7

Thanks for that, by the way the McKee decision was a Malthouse one.