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Opinion How important is the senior coach?

Which three roles in a footy club are the biggest determinant for success?

  • The President

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • The CEO

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • The Footy Boss

    Votes: 20 46.5%

  • The Senior Coach

    Votes: 31 72.1%

  • The List Manager

    Votes: 27 62.8%

  • The Recruiting Manager

    Votes: 21 48.8%

  • The Fitness Boss

    Votes: 5 11.6%

  • Head Doctor

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Captain

    Votes: 4 9.3%

  • The boot studder

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Total voters
    43

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At the end of 2019 Collingwood’s VFLW team had only lost 6 games of footy in 2 seasons, finished top of the table in both of those seasons, and won a Premiership.

And then we let our senior coach Penny Cula Reid go ...

WTF would a club let a coach with that record go?

... anyway assistant Chloe McMillan got promoted to the senior job and Collingwood’s VFLW team hasn’t lost a game since, with the 2021 regular season now over. Albeit with the 2020 season being scratched.

There are examples in AFL men’s - Chris Scott won a Premiership in his first year in charge of Geelong after taking over the reins from the successful Mark Thompson. John Longmore inherited a strong footy program from Paul Roos at Sydney, and Longmire, just like Roos, was able to take that program to a Premiership.

There are examples of the corollary too: In the last 20 years Carlton’s five wooden spoons were won by four separate coaches (well, five if you count 2015 as a shared achievement by Malthouse and Barker)

The senior coach is the poor sod who has the spotlight on them, is put under the microscope, who carries the can, and who’s job it is to spout clichés at the cameras ...

... but how important for success are they really?

Poll above
 
76woodenspooners said:
At the end of 2019 Collingwood’s VFLW team had only lost 6 games of footy in 2 seasons, finished top of the table in both of those seasons, and won a Premiership.

And then we let our senior coach Penny Cula Reid go ...

WTF would a club let a coach with that record go?

... anyway assistant Chloe McMillan got promoted to the senior job and Collingwood’s VFLW team hasn’t lost a game since, with the 2021 regular season now over. Albeit with the 2020 season being scratched.

There are examples in AFL men’s - Chris Scott won a Premiership in his first year in charge of Geelong after taking over the reins from the successful Mark Thompson. John Longmore inherited a strong footy program from Paul Roos at Sydney, and Longmire, just like Roos, was able to take that program to a Premiership.

There are examples of the corollary too: In the last 20 years Carlton’s five wooden spoons were won by four separate coaches (well, five if you count 2015 as a shared achievement by Malthouse and Barker)

The senior coach is the poor sod who has the spotlight on them, is put under the microscope, who carries the can, and who’s job it is to spout clichés at the cameras ...

... but how important for success are they really?

Poll above
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Very important, just ask Clarkson and Dimma.
 
76woodenspooners said:
At the end of 2019 Collingwood’s VFLW team had only lost 6 games of footy in 2 seasons, finished top of the table in both of those seasons, and won a Premiership.

And then we let our senior coach Penny Cula Reid go ...

WTF would a club let a coach with that record go?

... anyway assistant Chloe McMillan got promoted to the senior job and Collingwood’s VFLW team hasn’t lost a game since, with the 2021 regular season now over. Albeit with the 2020 season being scratched.

There are examples in AFL men’s - Chris Scott won a Premiership in his first year in charge of Geelong after taking over the reins from the successful Mark Thompson. John Longmore inherited a strong footy program from Paul Roos at Sydney, and Longmire, just like Roos, was able to take that program to a Premiership.

There are examples of the corollary too: In the last 20 years Carlton’s five wooden spoons were won by four separate coaches (well, five if you count 2015 as a shared achievement by Malthouse and Barker)

The senior coach is the poor sod who has the spotlight on them, is put under the microscope, who carries the can, and who’s job it is to spout clichés at the cameras ...

... but how important for success are they really?

Poll above
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I would think that every department in the poll would have to be successful and well run.
Assistant coaches should also be a part of that.
 

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magpie_marty said:
I would think that every department in the poll would have to be successful and well run.
Assistant coaches should also be a part of that.
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Agree ...

... which is why I ticked the top three boxes. Those ones are responsible for the recruitment of all the others, and to hold those others to account.
 
76woodenspooners said:
Agree ...

... which is why I ticked the top three boxes. Those ones are responsible for the recruitment of all the others, and to hold those others to account.
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So Richmond still win three flags without Dimma?
 
jmac70 said:
So Richmond still win three flags without Dimma?
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They don’t win them without Balme.

Balme doesn’t find his way to Richmond without O’Neil and Gale.
 
In almost every case, players make coaches. Tom Hafey is the only exception to this that I can think of. Dustin Martin has made Richmond. The huge bag of star players made Hawthorn. Collingwood has battled for success with moderate to good lists for a long time, and was doing so last year. We have not had a side full of stars for a very long time. The bungling of our list managers and accountants means that we will be pursuing success with a mediocre list for some time yet. But the coaches will be blamed, as is the norm for the AFL in general, and Collingwood in particular.
 

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jmac70 said:
But do they win them without Dimma?
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Dunno.

You could ask that question of all folks involved in the club who have been there for the three Premierships. If you take away Dimma? Cotchin? The bootstudder? Do you have three Premierships?

It’s a question about who has the biggest determinant factor, as important as Dimma is, IMO the three above him are even more important.
 
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76woodenspooners said:
Dunno.

You could ask that question of all folks involved in the club who have been there for the three Premierships. If you take away Dimma? Cotchin? The bootstudder? Do you have three Premierships?

It’s a question about who has the biggest determinant factor, as important as Dimma is, IMO the three about him are even more important.
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i love it when someone goes poetic and starts hailing the bootstudder over the head coach.... we should remember the women in the kitchen making the sandwiches and the others cutting the oranges.... all more important than the coach
 
It’s the most important role at a football club because on top of all the things they need to be adept at on a daily basis they are the face of the club and if anything (or everything in some cases) goes wrong they’re always public enemy number one.

No other role at an AFL club comes close to that. There’s also more pressure on the Collingwood coach than any other role in Australian sport except the test captain.

On a side note the example in the OP is about as relevant as local footy to AFL.
 
Markfs said:
i love it when someone goes poetic and starts hailing the bootstudder over the head coach.... we should remember the women in the kitchen making the sandwiches and the others cutting the oranges.... all more important than the coach
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Nobody (including me) has claimed that the Bootstudder is more important than the senior coach.
 

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