Stubz
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- Melbourne, Victoria
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Players are allocated discounts to represent what VirtualSports (VS) believe their true value/average should be, but it is almost impossible to predict each player's discount without being a VS employee as their discounting system is very much arbitrary (random), as there is no one method or pattern VS use for calculating discounts. In saying this, there are some general and obvious trends in the methods they use to allocate their discounts, outlined below.
Based on how discounts have operated this year and presumably in the future, most players the following discounts: 30%, 20% or 10% from their 2008 average/price, with the golden rule for all discounts being so long as they have played no more than 5 games in the previous season. Although in the past VS have generally just applied 30/20/10% discounts, in some cases they also jig players prices straight down to non-rookie bargain basement ($94,200), or under exceptional circumstances determine their own random price (Rusling/Ben Cousins rule).
MINIMUM NON-ROOKIE LISTED ($94,200) BASEMENT DISCOUNT:
A player may have their price slashed to the basement non-rookie price of $94,200 if:
1. A player misses a fair amount of games in the season, scored very poorly, plus had a very low average/price to begin with
2. A player has missed individual or multiple seasons in a row and the normal 30/20/10% discount would take them above/below/close to the minimum non-rookie listed price of $94,200
3. They averaged below the bare minimum requirement of 17.49, therefore mathematically they should be priced below $94,200, although this always adjusted so the player is priced at $94,200
Players that received this kind of discount in 2009 were: M.Egan (0 games), M.Brown (0 games), Gumbleton (0 games), L.Adams (0 games), J.Sellar (1 game, 12 average), A.Graham (2 games, 13 average), T.Notte (2 games, 15 average), B.Dick (0 games), M.Lynch (2 games, 17 average), Dowler (0 games) and M.Thorp (0 games).
Players that perhaps should of received this kind of discount but didn't were: Dangerfield (2 games, 19.5 average), A.Otten (2 games, 26 average), Grimes (1 game in whole career, 35 average), Foster (1 game, 29 average), McEvoy (1 game, 28 average) and J.White (2 games, 23.5 average).
STRAIGHT 30% DISCOUNT:
In 2008, if a player played around 0-1 games, they may have been eligible for a straight 30% reduction in their average, price. The only 2 players who received 30% discounts this year were T.Schmidt (1 game) and P.Hasleby (0 games)
STRAIGHT 20% DISCOUNT:
In 2008, if a player played between 1-5 games they may have recived a 20% discount
18 players in total received this discount, making it the most common/popular by a fair margin. All the guys that received 20% discounts in 2008 were: S.Cox (2 games), J.W.Smith (2 games), R.Houlihan (5 games), Raines (2 games), J.Head (2 games), H.Pearce (2 games), D.Johnson (2 games), S.Butler (5 games), D.Connors (4 games), B.McGlynn (3 games), J.P.Kennedy (3 games), K.Tenace (1 game), Alwyn Davey (5 games), Veszpremi (4 games), A.Campbell (5 games), M.Motlop (2 games) and N.Krakouer (3 games).
STRAIGHT 10% DISCOUNTS:
This is very uncommon, as only one player received this in 2008 being a fan favourite, A.Otten (2 games).
PLAYERS WHO DIDN'T GET DISCOUNTED WHEN THEY PERHAPS SHOULD HAVE :
The reason I say the VS discounting is generally done randomly is because there was a fair amount of players last year, that should of received discounts but didn't, such as: B.Cousins (1 game), W.Skipper (1 game), Rusling (1 game), Coughlan (0 games, 2 years in a row), Hentschel (0 games, 2 years in a row), S.Baker (2 games), Swallow (3 games), Fosdike (1 game), Petterd (2 games), Brabazon (1 game), J.Oakley-Nicholls (2 games), Foster (1 game), Dangerfield (2 games), McEvoy (1 game), J.White (2 games)
FLAWS WITH DISCOUNTING:
Some loopholes in the whole discounting thing is as far as I'm aware is they can't cater for premiums who have played few games and dropped their average considerably before getting LTI, ie. they cannot give -X% discounts. Note: this is a complete hypothetical and in no way do I wish, jinx or put a curse on anyone for an injury, but say if Ablett plays one game and scores 40, then does his knee misses the rest of the season. I'm not entirely sure how they would allocate his price, because TBH pricing him at around ~ $215,440 is just ludicrous, but what they may perhaps do is just leave it the same as the season before. (If anyone knows a similar situation to when this happened and could clarify this that would be awesome)
Also players that have played more than 5 games but have uncharacteristically averaged higher than expected cannot receive discounts. Dalziell who played 7 games and averaging 91.7 in his very first season, in a relatively low sample-space springs too mind. Grimes played 1 game in 2008, with it being his first match and only match of the season, scoring 35 and being priced 188,510, receiving no discount whatsover and on face-value (but not in hindsight) being overpriced. Rusling's true average/price has been extremely hard to measure and how his price has been derived is a complete unknown. He has averaged 104 over 2 games in 2007, played one game for 18 in 2008, but after not receiving any discounts is magically priced at $231,000 for an average of ~ 42.89 as a direct result of missing large amount games.
Some players that have averaged considerably high over a long-term, but are well under-priced due to due to injuries are very much understated. As a direct result their prices were not been tinkered because if they were given a discount it would make them way too cheap. Such was the case with S.Baker, A.Swallow, Fosdike, Petterd and Foster.
BEN COUSINS DILEMMA:
B.Cousins was perhaps the most interesting and most hyped up player in regards to receiving a discount as a direct result of the media circus surrounding him and his amazing SC past history. He played no games in 2008 due to being suspended for the year after bringing the game into disrepute and as a result was wiped of SC meaning he was not being able to be selected. Whilst averaging 104.6 the following year (2007). He was priced at $465,000, an average ~ 86.33, therefore meaning he received a discount of ~ 17.46%. But perhaps due to popularity, he wasn't given a straight 30% like Hasleby, otherwise he would have been in too many teams. The only thing that may be an answer for the way he was uniquely discounted was as a result of him being one of the or perhaps the only player in the SC era to have been suspended/de-registered from the AFL but return.
Please feel free to give your own knowledge in regards to discounts etc. as it would be much appreciated, hopefully this helps a few people who were wondering how the discount system works.
Based on how discounts have operated this year and presumably in the future, most players the following discounts: 30%, 20% or 10% from their 2008 average/price, with the golden rule for all discounts being so long as they have played no more than 5 games in the previous season. Although in the past VS have generally just applied 30/20/10% discounts, in some cases they also jig players prices straight down to non-rookie bargain basement ($94,200), or under exceptional circumstances determine their own random price (Rusling/Ben Cousins rule).
MINIMUM NON-ROOKIE LISTED ($94,200) BASEMENT DISCOUNT:
A player may have their price slashed to the basement non-rookie price of $94,200 if:
1. A player misses a fair amount of games in the season, scored very poorly, plus had a very low average/price to begin with
2. A player has missed individual or multiple seasons in a row and the normal 30/20/10% discount would take them above/below/close to the minimum non-rookie listed price of $94,200
3. They averaged below the bare minimum requirement of 17.49, therefore mathematically they should be priced below $94,200, although this always adjusted so the player is priced at $94,200
Players that received this kind of discount in 2009 were: M.Egan (0 games), M.Brown (0 games), Gumbleton (0 games), L.Adams (0 games), J.Sellar (1 game, 12 average), A.Graham (2 games, 13 average), T.Notte (2 games, 15 average), B.Dick (0 games), M.Lynch (2 games, 17 average), Dowler (0 games) and M.Thorp (0 games).
Players that perhaps should of received this kind of discount but didn't were: Dangerfield (2 games, 19.5 average), A.Otten (2 games, 26 average), Grimes (1 game in whole career, 35 average), Foster (1 game, 29 average), McEvoy (1 game, 28 average) and J.White (2 games, 23.5 average).
STRAIGHT 30% DISCOUNT:
In 2008, if a player played around 0-1 games, they may have been eligible for a straight 30% reduction in their average, price. The only 2 players who received 30% discounts this year were T.Schmidt (1 game) and P.Hasleby (0 games)
STRAIGHT 20% DISCOUNT:
In 2008, if a player played between 1-5 games they may have recived a 20% discount
18 players in total received this discount, making it the most common/popular by a fair margin. All the guys that received 20% discounts in 2008 were: S.Cox (2 games), J.W.Smith (2 games), R.Houlihan (5 games), Raines (2 games), J.Head (2 games), H.Pearce (2 games), D.Johnson (2 games), S.Butler (5 games), D.Connors (4 games), B.McGlynn (3 games), J.P.Kennedy (3 games), K.Tenace (1 game), Alwyn Davey (5 games), Veszpremi (4 games), A.Campbell (5 games), M.Motlop (2 games) and N.Krakouer (3 games).
STRAIGHT 10% DISCOUNTS:
This is very uncommon, as only one player received this in 2008 being a fan favourite, A.Otten (2 games).
PLAYERS WHO DIDN'T GET DISCOUNTED WHEN THEY PERHAPS SHOULD HAVE :
The reason I say the VS discounting is generally done randomly is because there was a fair amount of players last year, that should of received discounts but didn't, such as: B.Cousins (1 game), W.Skipper (1 game), Rusling (1 game), Coughlan (0 games, 2 years in a row), Hentschel (0 games, 2 years in a row), S.Baker (2 games), Swallow (3 games), Fosdike (1 game), Petterd (2 games), Brabazon (1 game), J.Oakley-Nicholls (2 games), Foster (1 game), Dangerfield (2 games), McEvoy (1 game), J.White (2 games)
FLAWS WITH DISCOUNTING:
Some loopholes in the whole discounting thing is as far as I'm aware is they can't cater for premiums who have played few games and dropped their average considerably before getting LTI, ie. they cannot give -X% discounts. Note: this is a complete hypothetical and in no way do I wish, jinx or put a curse on anyone for an injury, but say if Ablett plays one game and scores 40, then does his knee misses the rest of the season. I'm not entirely sure how they would allocate his price, because TBH pricing him at around ~ $215,440 is just ludicrous, but what they may perhaps do is just leave it the same as the season before. (If anyone knows a similar situation to when this happened and could clarify this that would be awesome)
Also players that have played more than 5 games but have uncharacteristically averaged higher than expected cannot receive discounts. Dalziell who played 7 games and averaging 91.7 in his very first season, in a relatively low sample-space springs too mind. Grimes played 1 game in 2008, with it being his first match and only match of the season, scoring 35 and being priced 188,510, receiving no discount whatsover and on face-value (but not in hindsight) being overpriced. Rusling's true average/price has been extremely hard to measure and how his price has been derived is a complete unknown. He has averaged 104 over 2 games in 2007, played one game for 18 in 2008, but after not receiving any discounts is magically priced at $231,000 for an average of ~ 42.89 as a direct result of missing large amount games.
Some players that have averaged considerably high over a long-term, but are well under-priced due to due to injuries are very much understated. As a direct result their prices were not been tinkered because if they were given a discount it would make them way too cheap. Such was the case with S.Baker, A.Swallow, Fosdike, Petterd and Foster.
BEN COUSINS DILEMMA:
B.Cousins was perhaps the most interesting and most hyped up player in regards to receiving a discount as a direct result of the media circus surrounding him and his amazing SC past history. He played no games in 2008 due to being suspended for the year after bringing the game into disrepute and as a result was wiped of SC meaning he was not being able to be selected. Whilst averaging 104.6 the following year (2007). He was priced at $465,000, an average ~ 86.33, therefore meaning he received a discount of ~ 17.46%. But perhaps due to popularity, he wasn't given a straight 30% like Hasleby, otherwise he would have been in too many teams. The only thing that may be an answer for the way he was uniquely discounted was as a result of him being one of the or perhaps the only player in the SC era to have been suspended/de-registered from the AFL but return.
Please feel free to give your own knowledge in regards to discounts etc. as it would be much appreciated, hopefully this helps a few people who were wondering how the discount system works.
