Howat or King

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At the end of the year the Tigers are likely to elevate a rookie onto the senior list and I believe it will be either King or Howat. I know that Howat is in his second year as a rookie and the club needs to make decision as to whether they elevate him onto the senior list or not.

King on the other hand is in his first year as a rookie, so they can keep him on the rookie list again next year and let him develop another year. He got his chance due to injuries to Peterson and Hall, making the most of this chance.

The question I ask is which one would you like to see elevated to the senior list: Howat or King

For mine I would elevate King for sure get him on the senior list and open up a spot on the rookie list for another kid instead. Howat I am thinking the club may put him on a 1 year deal as a senior listed player.

 

[hougie]

Good question should only one get promoted permanently...

They're both 22 aren't they? I'd elevate King going on this years form, Howat simply hasn't showed enough composure, can run a bloody long way though...massive engine.

 

[CoggaRules]

At the end of the year the Tigers are likely to elevate a rookie onto the senior list and I believe it will be either King or Howat. I know that Howat is in his second year as a rookie and the club needs to make decision as to whether they elevate him onto the senior list or not.

King on the other hand is in his first year as a rookie, so they can keep him on the rookie list again next year and let him develop another year. He got his chance due to injuries to Peterson and Hall, making the most of this chance.

The question I ask is which one would you like to see elevated to the senior list: Howat or King

For mine I would elevate King for sure get him on the senior list and open up a spot on the rookie list for another kid instead. Howat I am thinking the club may put him on a 1 year deal as a senior listed player.

dude, who cares? We will remain a VFL standard team, until we dont have to worry about who is on the rookie list. The rest of the comp has the rookie list as a pot luck thing, and we are are relying on it to find the answers? LMAO...we are ****ed

 

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dude, who cares? We will remain a VFL standard team, until we dont have to worry about who is on the rookie list. The rest of the comp has the rookie list as a pot luck thing, and we are are relying on it to find the answers? LMAO...we are ****ed

Yep WCE sure do use it as a pot luck thing.

Cox was pot luck wasn't he.
Quentin Lynch was pot luck too.
Priddis is another pot luck player.
Brett Jones yet another pot luck player.
Steven Armstrong another one.
Chad Fletcher is another one as well.

6 WCE Pot Luck Selections 5 of them have Premiership medals sitting at home IIRC.

Lets not forget another couple of pot luck premiership players:
Brett Kirk & Tadgh Kennelly

 

[CoggaRules]

Yep WCE sure do use it as a pot luck thing.

Cox was pot luck wasn't he.
Quentin Lynch was pot luck too.
Priddis is another pot luck player.
Brett Jones yet another pot luck player.
Steven Armstrong another one.
Chad Fletcher is another one as well.

6 WCE Pot Luck Selections 5 of them have Premiership medals sitting at home IIRC.

Lets not forget another couple of pot luck premiership players:
Brett Kirk & Tadgh Kennelly

yep and we are well on the way to having that kind of pot luck list with our rookie list.
Lets just also say that when your senior list is a viable senior list, you tend to have good players on the rookie list too. How about giving us the goss on who the WCE drafted to their senior list before they conjured up their rookie list?

 

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yep and we are well on the way to having that kind of pot luck list with our rookie list.
Lets just also say that when your senior list is a viable senior list, you tend to have good players on the rookie list too. How about giving us the goss on who the WCE drafted to their senior list before they conjured up their rookie list?

Since Wallace arrived we have had Thursfield, Howat and King come off the rookie list and perform as good as if not better than some of out ND picks. The way I look at it who cares where we get them from ND, PSD, RD if we can get good players into the side then lets keep them.

Example:
A few years back we had Brad Miller on our rookie list and let him slip only to see the Dees pick him up. Might not be a superstar of the comp but a servicable player with 84 games to his name in a side that has been a little more successful than we have been over the past few years. Surely a sign of a player with some sort of talent.

 

[CoggaRules]

Since Wallace arrived we have had Thursfield, Howat and King come off the rookie list and perform as good as if not better than some of out ND picks. The way I look at it who cares where we get them from ND, PSD, RD if we can get good players into the side then lets keep them.

Example:
A few years back we had Brad Miller on our rookie list and let him slip only to see the Dees pick him up. Might not be a superstar of the comp but a servicable player with 84 games to his name in a side that has been a little more successful than we have been over the past few years. Surely a sign of a player with some sort of talent.

the strength of your senior list is what makes your rookie list strong. When you have a strong senior list, you tend to have people at the helm that know what they are doing, hence they know what they are doing with the rookie list too. Servicable players are a dime a dozen. Lets just say, that if a player like Alistar Neville couldnt at least make our rookie list at the start of the year, if not before, with what he has shown at Coburg and beyond(hindsight to us, but to pros who are paid top dollar, vision and know how)...then there has to be a concern on who makes the desiscion on what a player has got to offer. Ontop of comapring another once struggler in Hawthorn and who they deemed required, you could ask the club, who is responsible for making the call on young players and if that person is still employed by the club. Because, dont know about you, but i would be thinking that person has NFI on what is required to make it at this level of footy.

 

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the strength of your senior list is what makes your rookie list strong. When you have a strong senior list, you tend to have people at the helm that know what they are doing, hence they know what they are doing with the rookie list too. Servicable players are a dime a dozen. Lets just say, that if a player like Alistar Neville couldnt at least make our rookie list at the start of the year, if not before, with what he has shown at Coburg and beyond...then there has to be a concern on who makes the desiscion on what a player has got to offer. Ontop of comapring another once struggler in Hawthorn and who they deemed required, you could ask the club, who is responsible for making the call on young players and if that person is still employed by the club. Because, dont know about you, but i would be thinking that person has NFI on what is required to make it at this level of footy.

All I am trying to say is that King seems to be a guy that is a keeper and we should at least give him a full shot at it. Plays with heart and is not the most unskilled player on the ground at present. For a bloke that has played 7 odd games at AFL he seems composed, fairly confident in his ability and like Foley (another Rookie) could be a rabbit we pull out of nowhere. As I said I don't care how we get them to the club but once we have them lets not let them go. As for Howat I think that given he is getting games as a rookie ahead of senior listed players that the guys in the know must see something in him. Keep him on for a year if need be and you never know. After all it can't get much worse can it?

 

[CoggaRules]

All I am trying to say is that King seems to be a guy that is a keeper and we should at least give him a full shot at it. Plays with heart and is not the most unskilled player on the ground at present. For a bloke that has played 7 odd games at AFL he seems composed, fairly confident in his ability and like Foley (another Rookie) could be a rabbit we pull out of nowhere. As I said I don't care how we get them to the club but once we have them lets not let them go. As for Howat I think that given he is getting games as a rookie ahead of senior listed players that the guys in the know must see something in him. Keep him on for a year if need be and you never know. After all it can't get much worse can it?

all i am saying is that the guys in the know tend to suggest that the club is going well because the finances are ok, when the question was, why is the team going shit.
Can i also add that i dont regard myself as a guy in the know, but i can suggest that I could give the "guys in the know" at tigerland, the first 40 picks in a draft and i the next 40 and my list would shit on theirs. By saying that, i am not suggesting that i am an expert, i am in fact suggesting how much expertise abounds at the club in that dept right now, i.e. how the guys who supposed to be in the know and get paid because of it, are really in the know, from the available facts at hand.
Dont get me wrong, i would be ducking questions too, if i were protecting my weekly injection of funds into my bank account, for plying my trade of being in the know, even though the form guide suggests that i really dont know jack. You add the good old, the clubs needs stability hence we shouldnt review the people who have been put into these positions, to fool the punters into thinking that that is the problem, when the problem was the problem,and right now the problem is that team is going shit. That way it tends to elongate your tenure.

 

[Brooksy88]

Since Wallace arrived we have had Thursfield, Howat and King come off the rookie list and perform as good as if not better than some of out ND picks. The way I look at it who cares where we get them from ND, PSD, RD if we can get good players into the side then lets keep them.

Example:
A few years back we had Brad Miller on our rookie list and let him slip only to see the Dees pick him up. Might not be a superstar of the comp but a servicable player with 84 games to his name in a side that has been a little more successful than we have been over the past few years. Surely a sign of a player with some sort of talent.

Different Brad Miller, mate.

 

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Different Brad Miller, mate.

My apologies I was going on the following info.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers

Rookie 2 Brad Miller Melbourne

 

[RichosGuns]

Since Wallace arrived we have had Thursfield, Howat and King come off the rookie list and perform as good as if not better than some of out ND picks. The way I look at it who cares where we get them from ND, PSD, RD if we can get good players into the side then lets keep them.

Example:
A few years back we had Brad Miller on our rookie list and let him slip only to see the Dees pick him up. Might not be a superstar of the comp but a servicable player with 84 games to his name in a side that has been a little more successful than we have been over the past few years. Surely a sign of a player with some sort of talent.

Thats a different Brad Miller there cheif. Our brad miller was about 180cm who played in the midfield. There Brad Miller is 193cm and is a KPP. You should check these things out first

 

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Thats a different Brad Miller there cheif. Our brad miller was about 180cm who played in the midfield. There Brad Miller is 193cm and is a KPP. You should check these things out first

As I said in the post above I went with the info I had available. Again I apologise for getting it wrong. However I standby what I was saying if we have a player that shows they are capable at AFL level on the rookie list then we should at least reward them with a shot on the senior list. After all we have everything to gain and very little to lose at present.

 

[Madtiger2006]

dude, who cares? We will remain a VFL standard team, until we dont have to worry about who is on the rookie list. The rest of the comp has the rookie list as a pot luck thing, and we are are relying on it to find the answers? LMAO...we are ****ed

vfl teams full of kids don't match it with teams from 8 out of 10 games. You obviously don't follow our club seriously at all

 

[PLSC]

both are short people and just plain not up to it

white will be better than king and howat is just another tivendale/hyde

comparing our rookie list selections to west coast?

laughable

 

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both are short people and just plain not up to it

white will be better than king and howat is just another tivendale/hyde

comparing our rookie list selections to west coast?

laughable

Yet King plays with more courage and desperation than half our senior listed blokes. IMO has a bit more skill than half of them as well. Averaging 16 possies a game 7 marks and 2 tackles a game which is not too shabby for a kid that could well be riding winners at Flemington being as small as he is.

BTW was not comparing them to ours just saying that you can find very good players on the rookie list every now and then. Sure it is hit & miss but it is no more hit & miss than the ND.

 

[PLSC]

Yet King plays with more courage and desperation than half our senior listed blokes. IMO has a bit more skill than half of them as well. Averaging 16 possies a game 7 marks and 2 tackles a game which is not too shabby for a kid that could well be riding winners at Flemington being as small as he is.

BTW was not comparing them to ours just saying that you can find very good players on the rookie list every now and then. Sure it is hit & miss but it is no more hit & miss than the ND.

king is 23 and wont play midfield so he's just a hard nut back pocket - pass

for clubs like us the rookie list is hit and miss because we have no idea how to use it but west coast actually have a plan beleive it or not and reap the rewards

 

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king is 23 and wont play midfield so he's just a hard nut back pocket - pass

for clubs like us the rookie list is hit and miss because we have no idea how to use it but west coast actually have a plan beleive it or not and reap the rewards

So let me guess you would rather we let a kid who has decent skills, is hard at it when called upon and I might be wrong but I don't think has been beaten by an opponent this year.

But yeah lets just let him go and go after some other untried kid in the hope he might be a Judd type. I just don't get what the hell is wrong with you. We find a decent player for little cost who shows something and you want him culled. Since Wallace has come on board we have had 3-4 kids(Thursfield, King, Howat& Foley) elevated off the rookie list that have been somewhat successful compared to players we have taken in the ND/PSD. Who cares where we find them as long as they play a decent brand of footy?

 

[slightlycynical]

It is really a non issue... both will have ample opportunity to prove themselves, by round 22 the situation should be straight forward.

P.S I'd rather have Neville on the senior list than either of them.

 

[lids2004roar]

I like the attitude of House but he needs consistency in his game before we think about getting him.

King is worthy of a spot imo.

 

[PHX]

King FTW.

Howat is good but we have alot of his type.

 

[CoggaRules]

vfl teams full of kids don't match it with teams from 8 out of 10 games. You obviously don't follow our club seriously at all

naaa, i obviously follow the team realistically as opposed to alot here like you.
We are a laughing stock with our lack of skills, end of story. I will say it again, right now this side would struggle against the side from the dark KB days.
That side had the same amount of skill in its overall list, but it also had, Lambert, Free and Knights, who not only had the skill but had the other factor that counts, grunt, who had the footy world talking them up. We now have JS.

 

[Khan]

Being a pesimist (not a realist) you are always right. Right when your team wins and right if the loose becuase you know they are bad. Much easier than wearing crap from mates for supporting a failing team

FWIW apart from the Geelong and Port game, I have at least seen positives in most games this year.

Khan

 

[Footynut08]

king easily has showed alot more promise than howat.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Howat= good endurance, one sided and poor skills, dime a dozen, please for the love of god do not elevate him to the senior list next year.
As has been said, we don't need more mediocre VFL standard players like Hyde and Tivendale, hopefully those two will get the arse at seasons end.

As so many on this board fail to understand, as long as we have players like that on our list, we are doomed, simply are not up to AFL standard