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I would love to see a centre bounce line up of Rowell, Anderson, Flanders at some stage this year.
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ThisMy main issue with Hugh is that he said he'd knock back all offers and then turned around and did that. Man's only as good as his word
I think in an ideal world he would be bypassed by the younger players, not meet the trigger for the final year and potentially stay on in an off field / mentoring role.Yeah ive got a good relationship with the local Gold Coast Journo that wrote the article it was legit said that they intended to phase Greenwood out this season. Wether the club is just putting spin on it I don't know but with inside mids like Rowell, Fiorini and Davies are certainly ready for more midfield time to line up next to Ellis, Sharp, Miller, Anderson, weller and Hollands. I think Greenwood was definitely going to struggle to get a spot.
Amicable discussion? Hey Hugh, youre turning 30 next year, so we want to start developing the younger mids and we are going to delist you, then list you again (probably on lower money). Once again another act that destroys club culture and 5 mins later they are complaining to the AFL that nobody wants to stay in the GC. (Probably the most beautiful place to live in Australia). Cochrane, Evans, Dew and Cameron, have no idea how to build culture at that club. It sticks out like a sore thumb because talent is one thing and keeping that talent feeling like they are part of a team and being bonded to the club is another.Come of it mate, Greenwood was hardly blindsided it was an amicable discussion. The club approached him with the situation, he agreed it was all good then North approached him with an offer that was too good to refuse. Suns didn't want to match the new contract and he's now a shunboner (typo but it's funny so i'm leaving it). Suns are Idiots and Greenwood isn't not a dog.
How on earth did you reach that conclusion? Where is it reported he wouldve been on less money once relisted? How is his age a factor in delisting him?Amicable discussion? Hey Hugh, youre turning 30 next year, so we want to start developing the younger mids and we are going to delist you, then list you again (probably on lower money). Once again another act that destroys club culture and 5 mins later they are complaining to the AFL that nobody wants to stay in the GC. (Probably the most beautiful place to live in Australia). Cochrane, Evans, Dew and Cameron, have no idea how to build culture at that club. It sticks out like a sore thumb because talent is one thing and keeping that talent feeling like they are part of a team and being bonded to the club is another.
To take a respected and top performing 29 yo and delist him (only to relist him later, likely on lower money) is a slap in the face no matter which way you "amicably" spin it. It also makes all the other players aware of what is likely to happen to them, when they get to 29. I bet when the Suns were pitching their club to Greenwood, just two short years ago, they didnt mention this was likely to happen.
This type of move may work at other clubs who have built culture but the Suns need to map out every single year of their list management strategy, 5+ years out and not deviate. Stick to the plan. Surely 2 years ago, this was not the plan for Greenwood. It comes down to pathetic list management, poor strategy and no idea how to build culture. And it keeps happening. Sad to say, the four names mentioned need to go. No idea.
Amicable discussion? Hey Hugh, youre turning 30 next year, so we want to start developing the younger mids and we are going to delist you, then list you again (probably on lower money). Once again another act that destroys club culture and 5 mins later they are complaining to the AFL that nobody wants to stay in the GC. (Probably the most beautiful place to live in Australia). Cochrane, Evans, Dew and Cameron, have no idea how to build culture at that club. It sticks out like a sore thumb because talent is one thing and keeping that talent feeling like they are part of a team and being bonded to the club is another.
To take a respected and top performing 29 yo and delist him (only to relist him later, likely on lower money) is a slap in the face no matter which way you "amicably" spin it. It also makes all the other players aware of what is likely to happen to them, when they get to 29. I bet when the Suns were pitching their club to Greenwood, just two short years ago, they didnt mention this was likely to happen.
This type of move may work at other clubs who have built culture but the Suns need to map out every single year of their list management strategy, 5+ years out and not deviate. Stick to the plan. Surely 2 years ago, this was not the plan for Greenwood. It comes down to pathetic list management, poor strategy and no idea how to build culture. And it keeps happening. Sad to say, the four names mentioned need to go. No idea.
Why would we be putting him in on less money? You’ve just plain made that up.Amicable discussion? Hey Hugh, youre turning 30 next year, so we want to start developing the younger mids and we are going to delist you, then list you again (probably on lower money). Once again another act that destroys club culture and 5 mins later they are complaining to the AFL that nobody wants to stay in the GC. (Probably the most beautiful place to live in Australia). Cochrane, Evans, Dew and Cameron, have no idea how to build culture at that club. It sticks out like a sore thumb because talent is one thing and keeping that talent feeling like they are part of a team and being bonded to the club is another.
To take a respected and top performing 29 yo and delist him (only to relist him later, likely on lower money) is a slap in the face no matter which way you "amicably" spin it. It also makes all the other players aware of what is likely to happen to them, when they get to 29. I bet when the Suns were pitching their club to Greenwood, just two short years ago, they didnt mention this was likely to happen.
This type of move may work at other clubs who have built culture but the Suns need to map out every single year of their list management strategy, 5+ years out and not deviate. Stick to the plan. Surely 2 years ago, this was not the plan for Greenwood. It comes down to pathetic list management, poor strategy and no idea how to build culture. And it keeps happening. Sad to say, the four names mentioned need to go. No idea.
What was the bargain?Mate, you're inventing your own reality. Goodwill doesn't exist just because of good intentions, you generally need to follow through.
I'm going to donate 50% of my salary to some cancer charities next week – so go right ahead and shower the praise on me now for my excellent character and goodwill, I probably won't actually get around to doing it.
Hugh can be a dog for not following through on his end of the bargain, and the Suns can be incredibly stupid for allowing it to happen.
He agreed to be delisted and rebut any offers he may receive.What was the bargain?
That's not really much of a bargain is it. Its more of a like it or lump it situation. He said he was a bit shocked at the decision - said in an interview he was thinking why him. The Suns have basically said "Here's a s**t sandwich, you have to eat it". Its not like he's in a position to refuse or say "No I don't want to do that" cos there is a fair chance they won't trigger his extension if he does that.He agreed to be delisted and rebut any offers he may receive.
That's not really much of a bargain is it. Its more of a like it or lump it situation. He said he was a bit shocked at the decision - said in an interview he was thinking why him. The Suns have basically said "Here's a sh*t sandwich, you have to eat it". Its not like he's in a position to refuse or say "No I don't want to do that" cos there is a fair chance they won't trigger his extension if he does that.
And when David Noble, someone from a family that Greenwood's family have been close to since before he was born and who is basically as responsible as anyone for Greenwood playing footy instead of basketball, makes him an offer that is worth more than what he is being offered to be delisted. Noble flew halfway across the country to get him to the Crows, after flying halfway round the world to convince him to play footy. He probably wouldn't have left for anyone else.
Greenwood described Noble as one of the only people who believed in him all along in an interview, and one of the reasons he is actually playing. Whereas the Suns ... did they really want him? They say yeah its just manipulating list management but deep down inside if you were in his position would you believe that?
Anyway I know I won't be changing anyone's mind. Cheers.
Which interview? whilst many Suns fans are also asking the same question “why him” I’d be surprised to hear him say it publicallyThat's not really much of a bargain is it. Its more of a like it or lump it situation. He said he was a bit shocked at the decision - said in an interview he was thinking why him. The Suns have basically said "Here's a sh*t sandwich, you have to eat it". Its not like he's in a position to refuse or say "No I don't want to do that" cos there is a fair chance they won't trigger his extension if he does that.
And when David Noble, someone from a family that Greenwood's family have been close to since before he was born and who is basically as responsible as anyone for Greenwood playing footy instead of basketball, makes him an offer that is worth more than what he is being offered to be delisted. Noble flew halfway across the country to get him to the Crows, after flying halfway round the world to convince him to play footy. He probably wouldn't have left for anyone else.
Greenwood described Noble as one of the only people who believed in him all along in an interview, and one of the reasons he is actually playing. Whereas the Suns ... did they really want him? They say yeah its just manipulating list management but deep down inside if you were in his position would you believe that?
Anyway I know I won't be changing anyone's mind. Cheers.
Just so we're on the same page-screwing the donkey is a bad thing right?But it doesn’t change the fact that we truly screwed the donkey on this one.
I would love to see a centre bounce line up of Rowell, Anderson, Flanders at some stage this year.
I've said this earlier, you don't need Greenwood anymore. Plenty of talented young options to run through your midfield that would look to leave soon if not given opportunities. Fiorini was pretty good the backend of last season as well. North have probably made a mistake recruiting him as they also have a talented group of young midfielders whose development will now be hindered. Get King re-signed and your laughing. And make Touk a co-captain, he deserves it with that contract re-signing.Now that Bowes is finally training with the mids it's a bit like Greenwood Who?
If the kid lives up to his potential it will be the best move the club has ever made.
" “It’s been a whirlwind past 48 hours, however the opportunity to extend my career and set my young family up with North Melbourne was one too good to turn down. "
Went for the money.
Or maybe he went to a club that was giving him pretty much 3 years job security vs his own club that just delisted him.