Hyde

[ize_]

Lots of talk on Hyde and mixed opinions. I for one rate him highly, he's one of our few tough nuts and he's good for a couple of goals every week. However I admit he will struggle to get in the 22 next year. Do you rate him?

 

[lids_tiger_army]

Lots of talk on Hyde and mixed opinions. I for one rate him highly, he's one of our few tough nuts and he's good for a couple of goals every week. However I admit he will struggle to get in the 22 next year. Do you rate him?

players like him win you wooden spoons mate.. he wouldnt be on 15 other list so why would he be worthy of being on ours.. yeh hes hard at it and has guts but you got to know how to play footy first.. players like him and howat, tivendale, white, oakley-nicolls, schulz and co wont win us a flag, so pretty simply a WASTE OF SPACE..

 

[Drunken Wookie]

I can't see him progressing any further than the fringe player he currently is. now that we've got a bit of depth in the midfield playing him is only going to deny a younger guy experience, he's not an insurance policy so he's nothing - plus keeping him on the list has cost us a draft pick. wasted space.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Hyde would make a few lists actually. His fitness held him back. Anyone who doesn't think he has some pretty good qualities are the ones who show up to 3 games a year or are just not all there

 

[RichosGuns]

I use to rate him fairly highly after those string of 3 or 4 good games in 2006. However, as i have said previously, he still doesn't really hae a position. He's looked most comfortable on the HFF, however with Conners, Cotchin, Edwards, Tambling, etc. developing he might not get much of a look in. He has also had surgery this pre-season which might mean he will have a limited pre-season, which won't help his biggest negative, his fitness

 

[COTCH]

No, always runs on to his left foot and runs into trouble, I think that is one of the most frustrating things to watch in footy

 

[smokey_58au]

players like him win you wooden spoons mate.. he wouldnt be on 15 other list so why would he be worthy of being on ours.. yeh hes hard at it and has guts but you got to know how to play footy first.. players like him and howat, tivendale, white, oakley-nicolls, schulz and co wont win us a flag, so pretty simply a WASTE OF SPACE..

Actually the opposite mate. He would be on the list of any team challenging for a flag as he provides a level of depth that you need if you are a top side. He has enough ability, enough smarts, enough discipline and enough heart to be a more than adequate depth player. Don't make the mistake of thinking that to win a flag every player in your list must be a topliner that would walk into any other side - that is simply not the case. A core of topliners bring the peripheral players into the game and vice versa, the peripheral players provide backup and support to the topliners. Is the case at West Coast, is the case at Sydney, is the case at Geelong. Hyde might not be the first picked (even as a peripheral) but during the season injuries will always have some impact and a player like Hyde becomes invaluable at that time, whether it is for 1 game, 5 games, or the rest of the season. Given the correct alignment of his footballing planets, Hyde could very, very easily play in a grand final side, and hopefully that side will be us!

 

[sante]

He is good but when we are rebuilding and looking to build a new nucleus for our team, he just won't fit in...

He has no improvement left and is no superstar so when the likes of Connors/Edwards/Jackson/Polo become better, he will make way.

 

[smokey_58au]

He is good but when we are rebuilding and looking to build a new nucleus for our team, he just won't fit in...

He has no improvement left and is no superstar so when the likes of Connors/Edwards/Jackson/Polo become better, he will make way.

But thats just my point - he DOES fit in. You said so yourself by saying "WHEN the likes of". He is important to our team (entire list, not 22 on the day) structure TODAY and would be so on any of the other 15 lists for the same reasons. Every team has a few 'Hydes' on their list and they are important cogs. The quality and quantity of them goes a long, long way to determining the capacity of a team to remain competitive over a whole season and in Richmond's case, he should have a role over the next few years, regardless of where we are on the real-time or team-building ladder.

 

[sante]

He isn't good enough...plays loose, he never mans up. 2008 will be his last with us IMO.

 

[Madtiger2006]

No, always runs on to his left foot and runs into trouble, I think that is one of the most frustrating things to watch in footy

He never runs into trouble. He has only being caught once that I can remember. He actually is a pretty decent kick on his right and has excellent evasive skills

 

[TigerTank]

Good footballer, and looks to have a terrific attitude. There's a lot worse getting a regular game.

Honestly, I don't understand what everyone is bitching about.

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

He never runs into trouble. He has only being caught once that I can remember. He actually is a pretty decent kick on his right and has excellent evasive skills

Must be going to different games than me. Was caught twice in the same game in front of me. Very little awareness of being chased down. Haven't seen him use his right foot too often. That is often a clue to the fact that he has no right foot.

 

[Goldust]

Must be going to different games than me. Was caught twice in the same game in front of me. Very little awareness of being chased down. Haven't seen him use his right foot too often. That is often a clue to the fact that he has no right foot.

YET Matty Knights survived and thrived in 260 odd games with no right foot!!!!!!!!!!

Having said that, I am certain Hyde is no longer in our top 25 and should be a permanent fixtureat Coburg this season, granted awe have a good run with injuries!

If it came down to a decision to play either of Edwards, Connors, Polo, or Jackson, I'd be taking each over Hyde.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Actually the opposite mate. He would be on the list of any team challenging for a flag as he provides a level of depth that you need if you are a top side. He has enough ability, enough smarts, enough discipline and enough heart to be a more than adequate depth player. Don't make the mistake of thinking that to win a flag every player in your list must be a topliner that would walk into any other side - that is simply not the case. A core of topliners bring the peripheral players into the game and vice versa, the peripheral players provide backup and support to the topliners. Is the case at West Coast, is the case at Sydney, is the case at Geelong. Hyde might not be the first picked (even as a peripheral) but during the season injuries will always have some impact and a player like Hyde becomes invaluable at that time, whether it is for 1 game, 5 games, or the rest of the season. Given the correct alignment of his footballing planets, Hyde could very, very easily play in a grand final side, and hopefully that side will be us!

agree 100%, but I actually think he has been held back by fitness or confidence and I think he can potentially be a permanent half forward flanker and a real danger for opposition clubs. I love the way he plays and want him to take the next step to be a permament player in the 22. He would be more value than Johnson anyway

 

[Madtiger2006]

Must be going to different games than me. Was caught twice in the same game in front of me. Very little awareness of being chased down. Haven't seen him use his right foot too often. That is often a clue to the fact that he has no right foot.

I remember him being caught once against Hawthorn. That's all I can remember after going to about 17 games this year. He has the best evasive skills at our club and is excellent in heavy traffic. I've seen him use his right foot a few times. Hit the target right on the chest every time with accurate 30m passes. His only problem is fitness. He tends to struggle playing a full game and chasing down opponents

 

[PLSC]

I remember him being caught once against Hawthorn. That's all I can remember after going to about 17 games this year. He has the best evasive skills at our club and is excellent in heavy traffic. I've seen him use his right foot a few times. Hit the target right on the chest every time with accurate 30m passes. His only problem is fitness. He tends to struggle playing a full game and chasing down opponents

who gives a shit about his evasive skills

it does more harm than good because richo and pettifer have already made thier leads and the opposition have dropped numbers back by the time hyde has finished taking his 5 opponent on and is ready to the kick the bloody footy

he might be in the team in round 1 but come mid-season he will be back at coburg like he was this year, and hopefully gone at the end of the season

 

[sante]

who gives a shit about his evasive skills

it does more harm than good because richo and pettifer have already made thier leads and the opposition have dropped numbers back by the time hyde has finished taking his 5 opponent on and is ready to the kick the bloody footy

he might be in the team in round 1 but come mid-season he will be back at coburg like he was this year, and hopefully gone at the end of the season

Agreed. He will lose his spot if players like Edwards/Polo/Jackson play good footy.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

He's already lost his spot imo, he really doesn't add anything a promising young bloke like connors or edwards wouldn't. He suffers the same inconsistency most of our pups do and he's a senior player...

 

[Tetley Tigers]

Actually the opposite mate. He would be on the list of any team challenging for a flag as he provides a level of depth that you need if you are a top side. He has enough ability, enough smarts, enough discipline and enough heart to be a more than adequate depth player. Don't make the mistake of thinking that to win a flag every player in your list must be a topliner that would walk into any other side - that is simply not the case. A core of topliners bring the peripheral players into the game and vice versa, the peripheral players provide backup and support to the topliners. Is the case at West Coast, is the case at Sydney, is the case at Geelong. Hyde might not be the first picked (even as a peripheral) but during the season injuries will always have some impact and a player like Hyde becomes invaluable at that time, whether it is for 1 game, 5 games, or the rest of the season. Given the correct alignment of his footballing planets, Hyde could very, very easily play in a grand final side, and hopefully that side will be us!

Spot on. Teams that win flags do so with the core of players outside of the top 6. Every AFL team has 6 or 7 players that would be automatic selections in every AFL side. It is the players 6 to 15 that win the flags. Get a solid bunch of blokes at this level and you can challenge for a flag. Not sure about Hyde though - bit one dimensional.

 

[banana_bus]

Saw him at David Jones yesterday. My girlfriend was like "he doesnt look like a footballer".

Not much meat on him. Hes a good player though, just a bit inconsistent.

 

[Madtiger2006]

who gives a shit about his evasive skills

it does more harm than good because richo and pettifer have already made thier leads and the opposition have dropped numbers back by the time hyde has finished taking his 5 opponent on and is ready to the kick the bloody footy

he might be in the team in round 1 but come mid-season he will be back at coburg like he was this year, and hopefully gone at the end of the season

No, The forward is already congested when Hyde gets the ball. It's not his fault, it's the lack of game plan

 

[Mr Anderson]

agree 100%, but I actually think he has been held back by fitness or confidence and I think he can potentially be a permanent half forward flanker and a real danger for opposition clubs. I love the way he plays and want him to take the next step to be a permament player in the 22. He would be more value than Johnson anyway

It is clear you rate Hyde very highly, that's fine. Personally, I don't think he has been the same player he was before he suffered the fractured skull - just a step slower, more willing to get a quick kick away rather than risk being crunched, not as keen to go in quite as hard as he did before. I'm not doubting his courage (you'd have to have a lot of guts just to go back on the field after such an injury), but I don't think his confidence is quite as great as it was and at a subconscious level he just does the thing that protects himself a little more than before. This results in his play not being as incisive or effective as previously. I have seen nothing to suggest he can ever get back to the level he was pre-injury, although he would be a very valuable player if he could.

I disgree that he is more valuable than Johnson. Johnson's main value is that he does give 100% completely, on the training track and out on the field. Sure, hasn't had as serious injuries as Hyde, and plays through niggling ones which clearly limit his effectiveness, so cops a lot of negative comment which he wouldn't get if he took the easy option and rested. But his best is better than Hyde's best nowadays, and his leadership of the club, which is always underrated here, is essential to a young developing list who have the talent but need a pro to show them how to get the most out of themselves.

 

[Tiger67]

Actually the opposite mate. He would be on the list of any team challenging for a flag as he provides a level of depth that you need if you are a top side. He has enough ability, enough smarts, enough discipline and enough heart to be a more than adequate depth player. Don't make the mistake of thinking that to win a flag every player in your list must be a topliner that would walk into any other side - that is simply not the case. A core of topliners bring the peripheral players into the game and vice versa, the peripheral players provide backup and support to the topliners. Is the case at West Coast, is the case at Sydney, is the case at Geelong. Hyde might not be the first picked (even as a peripheral) but during the season injuries will always have some impact and a player like Hyde becomes invaluable at that time, whether it is for 1 game, 5 games, or the rest of the season. Given the correct alignment of his footballing planets, Hyde could very, very easily play in a grand final side, and hopefully that side will be us!

What is all this about
Total sense on the Tigers board ------ well done smokey_58au
A sensible and thoughtful post.
Other players that we have on our list that fit the same criteria would be Tiva Jackson Moore and even Schulz.
All teams need to have guys like this and some of the above are still young enough to move to the next level.

 

[captain blood 17]

No, always runs on to his left foot and runs into trouble, I think that is one of the most frustrating things to watch in footy

Is that Hyde, Tivendale or Bowden???