In & Out 2012

[carnthepies19]

- Didak or Blair (only one though) out for either Fasolo or Macaffer.
- Brown out for either Keeffe, Witts or Wood.
- Davis/Johnson (if they go) out for either Buckley or Young.
- Tarrant (if he goes) out for N.Brown.

Apart from that, I think our 22 is good.

 

[MarkT2]

As long as I see Toovey and Johnson gone, I'm happy. The rest are workable.

I have always been 50/50 on Toovey but Johnson was bloody good in the GF. He got the ball and used it well. No one really peformed in the last Q.

Basically when you win one and lose one with a relatively young list you'd be crazy to make too many changes. It's hard to get good players with the draft and trade as they are. I would love to see some agressive trading to get an early pick but apart from that I can't see why we would exit many players from the best 22. I just can't see the step up from trading at this point.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Impossible to make calls on the list this year. No point trying unless you are in the know. Theres no obvious dead wood.....apart from maybe Dick and McCarthy.

Didak Davis Tarrant and Johnson's futures are up to them. I'd expect Davis to leave and the others all have a year left in them if they want to go around again.

Maccaffer and Goldsack should be required players but may ask for a trade. The future of Dawes is still uncertain.

As for the second and third year players, who knows?

 

[otfc42]

What the hell? Beams? Blair? Maxwell?

We still have a very good list and our spine is still very young. We have a three or four year window wide open still and with N Brown back, a fit and firing Krakouer with a proper pre season and a new coach, we should be right up there. Not much needs to be changed, just some tinkering and we'll be fine for 2012 and beyond.

Agreed....at least there's been no knee jerk reactions by Pies supporters on here after the GF

 

[otfc42]

Last 2 years we've won a flag and come close to a second. That tells me most things are right and with a young core group minimal changes are required.

On Caff - let him get fit and then get him back in the team, he has a booming kick, can take a grab and was a key part of the '10 victory.

On Krak - he will be better for the pre-season to come and has the right attitude to succeed.

On L Davis - he was good in the GF and should be retained if possible.

On Maxwell - had a couple of bad injuries during the year but still popped a vessel for the club when it counted.

On Dawes - a broken hand for a key forward is going to affect performance. Retain.

On Blair - will be under more pressure to retain his spot next year and that will be good for him. Same goes for Didak.

Leigh Brown - thanks for all your efforts and good luck in the future.

Hear hear, so very well said. The biggest plus of the lot should be Caff. I think the only thing you didn't mention was hard body, holds position in a marking contest betterthan many his size....and I've also got to say, (not against you Subprime).....the supporters calling for the head of Beams...what are you thinking.....!!!!!

 

[otfc42]

Toovey becoming a full time tagger has some good merits. I like the sound of that TBH. Providing he works on his tank, he has the speed to go with the best. Perhaps then we should target another negating defender as he was our only real small "negating" defender.

Yup, Tooves is definitely worth a shot as a tagger and play him in the NAB to guage this. His pace is electric, but not suited when he's dragged back deep.

 

[Bianconerri]

If we go on form in 2011

Out . Didak.Maxwell.L.Brown.Toovey

Didak should be given his spot due to his interrupted pre season.even thou he is as soft as butter on a 40 degree day,you can carry one quality player when fit.

Maxwell should not be in the best 22 going forward as he is not up to it as a player,he might be a great leader, but so too will Pendles.no room for passengers, unfortunately his best mate is now coaching.

L.Brown, thanks for your services to the Club

Toovey had a fine season last year,this season he has gone back to the Toovey of old, indecisive and prone to turnovers which hurt on the scoreboard.

In N,Brown Macaffer. J.Thomas. Beams.

I would mention Goldsack in the best 22, but i would go if i were him,which is looking likely as he does not get the same preferrential treatment as others are gifted.

 

[Spuddd]

B: C.Tarrant, N.Brown, L.Davis
HB: H.Obrien, B.Reid, N.Maxwell
C: H.Shaw, S.Pendlebury, D.Thomas
HF: S.Sidebottom, T.Cloke, A.Didak
F: A.Krakouer, C.Dawes, B.Macaffer
R: D.Jolly, D.Swan, L.Ball
B: B.Johnson, C.Wood, S.Wellingham Sub: Blair

EMG/Depth: D.Beams, A.Toovey, T.Goldsack, A.Fasolo, L.Keefe, S.Buckley, J.Witts, J.Mcarthy, B.Sinclair, L.Rounds + Danyle pearce(linked with us/heard is likely to come) + our pick 25.

Surely Toovey over Benny Johnson, even if it is only a spot on the bench. And Fasolo for Didak, need to start giving him the opportunity to play the big games, a la ANZAC day and what not.

other than that, I'd say your spot on, with the only possibility (and hopefully) a trading of Beams.

 

[Quicky]

I can see myself being caned for this suggestion but does anyone think Davis is a chance to go forward again?

With the need to fit Nathan Brown back into the side there is a need to free up space in defence.

One of our biggest issues this year was speed and tackling intensity from our small forwards and Davis is very good in this area.

I'm not suggesting we do it but it's a thought.

I wonder if we might see Reid switched forward to accomodate Brown at times next year when we only need two tall defenders.

We need to find key forward depth and Reid is an option as long as we have Brown and Tarrant in defense.

Although against West Coast, Hawthorn and Geelong our major competition there is probably a need for all three in defense.

 

[Quicky]

Surely Toovey over Benny Johnson, even if it is only a spot on the bench. And Fasolo for Didak, need to start giving him the opportunity to play the big games, a la ANZAC day and what not.

other than that, I'd say your spot on, with the only possibility (and hopefully) a trading of Beams.

Totally agree. The Toovey scepticism is really perplexing. He has been one of our best performed and most consistent performers for his position for the past two or three years. One slightly poor game by his standard and the knives are out. I don't understand the thinking at all.

 

[Thommo 42]

especially given he was one of many who was underdone.

pre-injury he had put in an excellent 18 months of solid footy

 

[Maggie5]

I don't think that we can afford to get rid of Davis (ok if he wants to go), Didak, Johnson and co. as we still need some old heads around.
However if you need to make room for three more min to come in I would suggest:
Wellingham, McCartney and Dick (Trade Table options for picks or one good player). Can't see any of them being in our best 22 given we need to make room for McCaffer and Brown.

 

[maybethisyear]

20 possessions and 11 tackles made him one of our better players in the GF, even if his kicking was a little shaky early. Also if you're thinking about the Varcoe opening goal, it was either Varcoe or Selwood having an open shot, Selwood had the ball.

I thought I was the onlty person who noticed that. The comentators were bagging Leon but Geelong were always going to get that Goal the minute Selwood came out of the center.

The selfish thing would have been to stick to Varcoe and let Selwood run in and kick the goal (not my man). He left Varcoe and forced the extra possession. Didn't work out but it was always a long shot.

 

[Number 10]

This is gone off the rails a bit - kneejerk reactions to the GF are well high.

Toovey - As quicky said one of our most consistant players and everyone during the year was saying how underrated he is.

Beams - Our best young midfielder, another kneejerk if your asking for him to be traded. He is not trade material - if you ever need to be reminded of this you only need to look at our 2010 BnF

Leon - I only put him up assuming he retires.

B. Johnson - Has had 2 good years now and although he is quite a good player, I can see him being surpassed by Young.

Marty Clarke - Hasn't been put up but if he comes to the club would go close to breaking and keeping his spot in the 22 next year.

** This is merely a thread on who will be the Medders, Lockyer and O'Bree of 2010.

 

[Scodog10]

I can see myself being caned for this suggestion but does anyone think Davis is a chance to go forward again?

With the need to fit Nathan Brown back into the side there is a need to free up space in defence.

One of our biggest issues this year was speed and tackling intensity from our small forwards and Davis is very good in this area.

I'm not suggesting we do it but it's a thought.

I wonder if we might see Reid switched forward to accomodate Brown at times next year when we only need two tall defenders.

We need to find key forward depth and Reid is an option as long as we have Brown and Tarrant in defense.

Although against West Coast, Hawthorn and Geelong our major competition there is probably a need for all three in defense.

I'd personally try to emulate Geelong's structure. They work very well in the defensive half with the three tall's in Scarlett, Lonergan and Taylor.

I'd move Tarrant into the floating role that Scarlett plays so well and Reid is a very similar defender to Taylor leaving Rambo as the shut down defender like Lonergan.

It'd more than likely squeeze out one of the mediums though because I think we're probably a little top heavy in that area with all of O'Brien, Maxwell, Toovey and Goldsack.

 

[Dawesome Dock]

I think (if it hasn't been mentioned) Tarrant and/or Reid could possibly play the Scarlett kind of role as the back pocket who can take a super forward but can do offensive damage on a lesser opponent - see Scarlett vs. Didak.

Just a thought.

Edit: Didn't read through and the post just above summed it up perfectly!

 

[Quicky]

I think you are both spot on. In fact I think we had this earmarked at the start of the season but that is consigned to history now because of Browns knee injury.

-----Tarrant-----Brown-----Toovey-----
------Shaw-------Reid------O'Brien------

Davis, Maxwell and Goldsack >> I think one of these still has a role back there. I would like to see us keep Davis back there (despite suggesting a move forward). Not sure where that leaves Maxwell. Goldsack may see the writing on the wall.

Unless O'Brien gets a role change?

 

[blaze036]

Trade beams i reckon... could get something verryy nice for him and he simply doesnt perform in the finals i dont want another l.davis for the next 8 years.
Trade McCarthy as well no room in the team for him.

Try get Hille/Mcintosh to replace L.Brown

 

[unplugged]

I hope it is in: Josh Thomas.

Ever since Saturday afternoon I've been telling people "watch out for Josh Thomas next year"

 

[Stripes B and W]

Agree with some that has been posted. In summary, my view is that retirements and Jmac are the only givens in addition to a few delistings, these will be players that have not had a senior game. ( Reed etc)

We are in nothing near a position where we need to make anything resembling drastic list changes but a stratetic change is required. Tooves and johnno are as safe as houses...

Forget the NAB cup, use it as development only
.
With the introduction of the sub, we must schedule additional rests for our top 15 or so players. This may include games off, or subbing out, reduced game time etc.

We need to introduce some flexibility in the side, perhaps with Nate B back Reid can go forward at times, Davis forward more often i like, Dawes at times in the Leroy role with the additional flexibility Nates gives us. Dawes will burn off most rucks in the comp and will work to create space and gather good numbers. At the moment , although i love the bloke, he is a little short of skill to suceed with any regularity as a forward.

Reward VFL performance at the expense of name.

At the risk of being a heretic, we need to manage Swanny to ensure he is a quality player rather than a quantity one. I want him to be a match winner in big games and occasionally an also ran in lesser games. He has individual kudos for 10 careers, lets develop him as our big time matchwinner. ( Knightmare has been on this theme before!!)

Look to bring to the club via trade someone with outside pace who is close to an elite kick. ( Most clubs want this, of course, we have the quality to support a player like this)

Finally, unless the deal is spectacular why would anyone want Beams traded!! His 6 - 8 games when he returned from injury were spectacular, in fact a fit Beams was a big loss in the finals.

With our sports science and coaching expertise continue the development of young and not so young players. ( Think of a player that has come to our club that has not clearly and significantly improved in recent years)

Tick the above boxes and we will be happy campers this times over the 2012 to 2015 period...

 

[Quicky]

Trade beams i reckon... could get something verryy nice for him and he simply doesnt perform in the finals i dont want another l.davis for the next 8 years.
Trade McCarthy as well no room in the team for him.

Try get Hille/Mcintosh to replace L.Brown

He obviously had a groing injury against the Hawks. I'd count that as a mitigating reason for that performance.

In Beams we already have a player of the quality you would hope to get in the gamble of the draft. Except he has good development already under the belt and is about to enter his peak.

You just don't make those sort of trades. Back our development guys to put the finishing touches on his game. He'll be fine.

 

[Ed D]

Trade beams i reckon... could get something verryy nice for him and he simply doesnt perform in the finals i dont want another l.davis for the next 8 years.
Trade McCarthy as well no room in the team for him.

Try get Hille/Mcintosh to replace L.Brown

I'm so glad you're not part of our recruiting staff, half the side would be traded and we'd have nobody decent to play!