indigenous academy

[TGFC]

so i was wanting some opinions on the proposed academy setup for vic teams. do SA and WA teams have anything comparable. it seems like we miss out, or am i missing something

 

[DD#23]

to me it is extremely odd that they've carved up Victoria and the NT for the Melbourne clubs "with plans for SA and WA to follow" rather than put in a nationwide program in one hit.

and when I say extremely odd I mean in typical VFL fashion... feels like a real covert op and I expect we, along with Port, West Coast and Freo will be receiving the mother of all shaftings when the dust settles on this one. I'm staggered nothing has really come up in any of the sports shows (that I've heard at least).

fancy splitting the Northern Territory between 4 of the strongest clubs in Melbourne, and the Demons.

 

[Huntercrow]

I can't believe the carve up of the Northern Territory has taken place before the AFL has met with the SA and WA teams.
Seems (unlike the Victorian clubs) there can be no discussion of possible zones outside of their own states. This is pre ordained by the AFL before any meetings take place.

Why bother wasting money on flights to Adelaide and Perth by the AFL?

Just send a text with the link to the Carve up map!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do kids living in rural communities count as non-traditional? Must be difficult for kids on farms for instance to travel regularly to Adelaide to be part of their SANFL club's system.

 

[Geoffa32]

Do kids living in rural communities count as non-traditional? Must be difficult for kids on farms for instance to travel regularly to Adelaide to be part of their SANFL club's system.

Nice loop hole.

Can we have Broken Hill and get the next Tex under this?

 

[FR0GGY]

Nice loop hole.

Can we have Broken Hill and get the next Tex under this?

no more difficult than a lad who lives in moggs creek and has to uproot to Adelaide.

 

[Geoffa32]

Obviously the point of these academies is to recruit future AFL players. This is nice for those kids who are athletic and want to play football. However from a social conscience point of view I like what our club is doing with in terms of Indigenous Programs

http://www.afc.com.au/club/indigenous-programs



Our programs are not about producing footballers, but helping the future of our most disadvantaged Socio- Economic group. I would hate to think this would be affected by these AFL mandated Academies.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Have players like Bachar Houli, Majak Daw and Lin Jong had an impact on their communities? Are we seeing more kids and families from those backgrounds turning up at their local club to have a kick?

Is anyone involved in juniors at a football club? Have you found that it's becoming more multicultural? Or is it still mostly sons of footballers who are playing?

 

[grundog49]

I really like the idea of the indigenous academies. It will allow clubs indigenous role models to take young players under their wings at a young age. Sort of like what Betts has done with Hampton and Cameron.

More excited for the multicultural academies though. So much untapped potential.

 

[grundog49]

Have players like Bachar Houli, Majak Daw and Lin Jong had an impact on their communities? Are we seeing more kids and families from those backgrounds turning up at their local club to have a kick?

Is anyone involved in juniors at a football club? Have you found that it's becoming more multicultural? Or is it still mostly sons of footballers who are playing?

It's getting way more inclusive in the junior ranks. Even at the rep levels numbers are rising dramatically to a point where there are potentially 5 multicultural players who could be drafted in 2017.

 

[1970crow]

to me it is extremely odd that they've carved up Victoria and the NT for the Melbourne clubs "with plans for SA and WA to follow" rather than put in a nationwide program in one hit.

and when I say extremely odd I mean in typical VFL fashion... feels like a real covert op and I expect we, along with Port, West Coast and Freo will be receiving the mother of all shaftings when the dust settles on this one. I'm staggered nothing has really come up in any of the sports shows (that I've heard at least).

fancy splitting the Northern Territory between 4 of the strongest clubs in Melbourne, and the Demons.

I think the point is that the most costly areas have been given to the strongest clubs. Most Australians have zero idea how remote the Northern Territory is. Most Australians have zero interaction with our full blood cousins. But many of those people will stand up and have an opinion on the varying ways that people are being failed. It's quite amusing.

Next time a friend challenges the treatment of our actual indigenous cousins, ask them what their personal experience is. Surprisingly most from the city have had none, but they'll certainly have strong view.

The national embarrassment is not what we attempt to do, it's efftards who speak of shit they know nothing of.

 

[jackster83]

Why doesn't that Mifspud w***er kick up a fuss about teams getting indigenous academies? Didn't Rendell get accused of promoting a whole new stolen generation when he floated the idea?

I like the idea of helping kids from remote or disadvantaged communities getting an opportunity to make the best of themselves, but the hypocrisy of the AFL makes me sick.

 

[Cap]

I'd say there is a reason misfud is no longer at the AFL.

 

[DD#23]

I think the point is that the most costly areas have been given to the strongest clubs. Most Australians have zero idea how remote the Northern Territory is. Most Australians have zero interaction with our full blood cousins. But many of those people will stand up and have an opinion on the varying ways that people are being failed. It's quite amusing.

Next time a friend challenges the treatment of our actual indigenous cousins, ask them what their personal experience is. Surprisingly most from the city have had none, but they'll certainly have strong view.

The national embarrassment is not what we attempt to do, it's efftards who speak of shit they know nothing of.

seems like quite a tangent after your first couple of sentences there...

I'm not making any assessment on what's right or wrong for the communities involved because like you say I'm (regrettably so) completely ignorant to the realities surrounding those communities (more than happy to be educated by the way). I'm merely commenting on the area I might hope to understand, which is the net result these academies could have on the footy each weekend.

I don't mean to sound insensitive to the bigger picture here and I sincerely hope the academies are great for the communities they're placed in, but I'm afraid its still hard for me to ignore the number of gifted indigenous players we've seen come out of the NT and the fact that they might now essentially be funneled into 5 of the league's 18 clubs. It just doesn't feel right that's all, I honestly don't know what to make of it.

 

[FR0GGY]

I'd say there is a reason misfud is no longer at the AFL.

Do you know it?

 

[Cap]

Do you know it?

Nope. Line reading and gut feeling

 

[Cleric]

We are gonna get screwed big time, again.
WA has 10 times the aboriginal potential than we do, and we are not a destination city for new arrivals as other states are.
And when you consider the NT used to be part of SA (It was South Australia's northern territory) the fact they have left us out of it is another AFL ass raping.
Lets see how our CEO goes with this one.

 

[Dangerousfield]

VFL at it again. Carve up Vic and the NT for the benefit of the biggest Melbourne clubs and do "something" in SA & WA as an afterthought.

This seems like a cobbled together on the run idea to appease the Collingwoods and Hawthorns rather than a well thought through Aust wide program designed to help the whole comp.

The wealthy clubs with lots of spare cash will be the benefactors here, how can financially struggling clubs fully realise their zones potential if they can't even afford to fully fund their AFL football department. Collingwood and Hawthorn will have their zones swarming with staff and be looking at cunning ways to rort the system like moving families with a highly promising son into their zone before the age cut off limit.

Reckon the AFL integrity unit will have any luck exposing that sort of thing? Eddie will just tell McLaughlin to get them to back off, nothing to see here.

The VFL becomes more of a Melb centric farce every day.

 

[deltablues]

Have players like Bachar Houli, Majak Daw and Lin Jong had an impact on their communities? Are we seeing more kids and families from those backgrounds turning up at their local club to have a kick?

Is anyone involved in juniors at a football club? Have you found that it's becoming more multicultural? Or is it still mostly sons of footballers who are playing?

Pardon my intrusion - but what are these "communities" of which you speak? Are these young folk with non-Anglo-Saxon names not Australian? I thought they got rid of the "community" schtick in Oz pro sport when they reformed Oz Soccer to get away from the ethnic-based clubs and associated partisan violence.

Footy never had these so-called "communities" back in the day of Jesaulenko, Van der Haar, Ditterich, Gabelich, Silvagni, Polly Farmer, et al. Their backgrounds were their own private business and were subsumed into the overall Australian way of life/zeitgeist.

But I guess homogeneity now is contrary to the AFL mission-creep social agenda of Progressive (sic) identity/race/gender based politics and themed "community" days and would put hucksters like Misf!d out of a job.

PS - the AFL is the VFL redux. SA can expect to, and will, get screwed where the delta diverges.

 

[headache1]

Forgetting that the NT has been divided up between 4 Victorian clubs, you'd think that being a so called national competition, the entire program for clubs who don't already have established academies would be finalised before rolling out said program, so as to give all of those clubs equal opportunity and time to set up their academies. Yet, here we are. The Victorian clubs know exactly where they're going to need to introduce infrastructure and staff, whilst the WA and SA clubs are sitting around waiting for a call from the AFL. What a ****ing joke.

 

[MRB37]

Mark Evans is supposed to be in Adelaide this week sorting out the Academys in SA.

 

[Ozzie]

Forgetting that the NT has been divided up between 4 Victorian clubs, you'd think that being a so called national competition, the entire program for clubs who don't already have established academies would be finalised before rolling out said program, so as to give all of those clubs equal opportunity and time to set up their academies. Yet, here we are. The Victorian clubs know exactly where they're going to need to introduce infrastructure and staff, whilst the WA and SA clubs are sitting around waiting for a call from the AFL. What a ******* joke.

This just proves the whole AFL house staff are biased POS. Starts at the top and goes right through to the bottom.

 

[fabs33]

Pardon my intrusion - but what are these "communities" of which you speak? Are these young folk with non-Anglo-Saxon names not Australian? I thought they got rid of the "community" schtick in Oz pro sport when they reformed Oz Soccer to get away from the ethnic-based clubs and associated partisan violence.

Footy never had these so-called "communities" back in the day of Jesaulenko, Van der Haar, Ditterich, Gabelich, Silvagni, Polly Farmer, et al. Their backgrounds were their own private business and were subsumed into the overall Australian way of life/zeitgeist.

But I guess homogeneity now is contrary to the AFL mission-creep social agenda of Progressive (sic) identity/race/gender based politics and themed "community" days and would put hucksters like Misf!d out of a job.

PS - the AFL is the VFL redux. SA can expect to, and will, get screwed where the delta diverges.

That was an unusual tirade in response to what was a rather harmless question.

 

[deltablues]

That was an unusual tirade in response to what was a rather harmless question.

Heh. It was not meant to be a tirade - it was more about footy originally being a venue where the fans can attend and cheer on their teams and escape for a few hours from the daily grind. Back in the day there were no "communities" per se - the player names were, to a kid like me [and I guess all kids], irrelevant as to country etc. There was only one big community - not the kind of race-based identity politics which we now have.

The AFL is seeking to ape the NFL - but the US scene is so totally different to Oz. And by doing so the AFL now has the tiger by the tail - you only have to read the flame comments on such hot button items as the Goodes' stuff, and so on, to realize that. Folk resent being herded.

But anyway, more applicable for the SRP forum, so I'll saddle up and ride out now...

 

[Diz01]

Despite being a Crows man myself, it only takes a short bit of research to find that Port are already leading the way in this field across the country - long before the AFL even did this break up of zones. Very successful cobranded program into its third year, run together with the Education Department which pushes senior school education outcomes using an elite football environment as the carrot.