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We try our guts out for little reward for effort whilst the opposition strolls in for the easiest games.

Been happening for years yet nothing's changed.

I'd write more but I don't want to be here forever.
 
It really hurt us early when we had all of the momentum early in the first qtr but just couldn't convert with poor disposal going inside 50 and also around the ground. They then cut us apart with their quick and efficient ball movement to get us out the back.

Wells and Elliott whenever they are fit will help us in this department but we really need to improve a heap in this area going forward


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Nothings changed because their isn't much of an alternative with our current playing group. We stack the forward 50 and hope to god we manage to lock the ball in, kick a goal, or get it to the boundary. The minute the opposition gets clean disposal out of forward 50 it's game over for us. Our gameplan looks to be based around forward pressure and little else.
 
DuckToaster said:
Nothings changed because their isn't much of an alternative with our current playing group. We stack the forward 50 and hope to god we manage to lock the ball in, kick a goal, or get it to the boundary. The minute the opposition gets clean disposal out of forward 50 it's game over for us. Our gameplan looks to be based around forward pressure and little else.
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Yet this style doesn't work for our playing group either.
 

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mike123 said:
Yet this style doesn't work for our playing group either.
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We need to lose some height first of all, and play pressure football when we have momentum. Then resort back to classic man on man football when the pendulum swings. When we have run, and our players are up and about pressure football works well. It's when we taper off that we allow the easy out the back repeatedly and it KILLS us. It just seems like we are a one trick pony, and have been for some time. We need another feather to our bow.
 
DuckToaster said:
We need to lose some height first of all, and play pressure football when we have momentum. Then resort back to classic man on man football when the pendulum swings. When we have run, and our players are up and about pressure football works well. It's when we taper off that we allow the easy out the back repeatedly and it KILLS us. It just seems like we are a one trick pony, and have been for some time. We need another feather to our bow.
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We need to employ a better zone and play more skillful players.
 
DuckToaster said:
I don't think we have the football awareness between the ears across the playing group to introduce a working zone unfortunately.
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Some of our defender don't some of them do. I think Howe and Reid should be zoning off trying to intercept and the rest should be man on man.
 
Watching a couple of contests tonight, you have to put them down to skill and trust.

Doggies would just tap the ball into the right spot and capitalise. They were better one on one and had better trust in their teammates.

We won the inside 50s, but were slow getting it in there, as opposed to the dogs who were sharp and created genuine one on ones.
 
DuckToaster said:
Nothings changed because their isn't much of an alternative with our current playing group. We stack the forward 50 and hope to god we manage to lock the ball in, kick a goal, or get it to the boundary. The minute the opposition gets clean disposal out of forward 50 it's game over for us. Our gameplan looks to be based around forward pressure and little else.
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I have to disagree with you on this. There are certainly alternatives, it's just that they are more complicated than all in on pressure. The problem with the pressure gameplan they're pursuing at the moment is that far too often multiple Collingwood players attack the player with the ball either leaving their opponent unattended or opening space for other opponents to lead into. Too me that indicates a lack of sophistication in the instructions the players are receiving. Combine that with the stagnant forward structure and in my opinion it is mostly a coaching issue not the playing list.
 
Accuracy kills you
 

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Our forward line only really worked when Fasolo was the target. We need to get Billy Elliott back in there ASAP, it's what we've longed for all offseason to have Fas and Elliott alongside Moore and White. If Cox can only contribute what he did (1 mark, 0.1, 0 tackles) against one of the league's smallest back lines, we're going to get killed on the rebound. I'm very skeptical about Mayne's value also.
 
daicosdemis said:
All coaching. When the coach asks the players to execute something that they can't, then it's all coaching.
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How would you coach a team that can't hit targets?
 
Lucky we got rid of all the poor ball users at the end of last year. Could've been ugly !
 
jmac70 said:
How would you coach a team that can't hit targets?
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Easy. Set up a zone where our players stand 25m away from the opposition player. One of our guys on each side and then instruct the ball carrier to aim the kick to the opposition player in the middle. Should be a guarantee we're going to hit one of our guys on the tit. I am tossing up whether this should be called the shanker zone or the barn door configuration. I'm going for the latter.
 

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Inefficiency has been our hallmark for several seasons now. Even when we were better it was a problem, it just didnt matter so much because we would generate so many opportunities we would get there in the end. We arent that good now. We need a system that makes use of our strengths. This doesnt. It leaves us vulnerable to exactly the things we are weakest at.
 
Mame said:
When blokes are dropping chest marks (Mayne) or copping falcons (Moore) this argument does not hold up.
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Unfortunately our problems run much deeper than this. Even a near perfect performance will include a couple of dropped marks and missed shots, I wish our issues were that simple.
 
jmac70 said:
How would you coach a team that can't hit targets?
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Well, to start of with you abandon the full team press since it's a given that your players will be turning the ball over regularly.
We absolutely spit blood to get a goal only to have the opposition go down the other end and get the easiest of goals.
 
daicosdemis said:
Well, to start of with you abandon the full team press since it's a given that your players will be turning the ball over regularly.
We absolutely spit blood to get a goal only to have the opposition go down the other end and get the easiest of goals.
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Ok, so what would you do differently?
 
Last night we had the dominant midfield and won in important areas like contested ball, clearances and inside 50's.

And yet we've come away defeated.

Again.

This is something I've identified and raised in the past and it's become rather common place these past few seasons under Buckley.

We seem to have no problem getting our hands on the ball but doing something constructive with it time and again and getting the reward on the scoreboard is the problem.

Last night we had the 4 leading possession winners on the ground and 7 of the top 10.

Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Treloar and Adams staggeringly had more than 30 touches each.

You'd think for most sides that would equate to an almost certain victory but for us it seems at best a 50/50 proposition we'll get the 4 points.

So what's going wrong?

To me it would indicate 3 probable scenarios.

a)A fundamental flaw in the game plan.
b)Real inadequacy in one area of the field.
c)Below average skill of the playing group.

I guess the answer could be d) all of the above but I feel we're doing quite a bit right and it's frustrating that we continue to let games slip we could and should be winning.

For me the glaring difference between the two sides last night and the reason we lost was our costly mistakes by foot especially on the break which stopped golden scoring opportunities as well as some poor decision making deep inside our forward 50 arc.

But there were others areas that are a continuation of problems we've seen over the last few seasons:

1.Is it just me or do we seem to have to work bloody hard just to create scoring opportunities and goals?

In comparison to many of our opponents it seems an easy goal is hard to come by for us and we seem to often rely upon weight off inside 50 numbers and creating contests to score.

While hard work and pressure should be applauded it's a very taxing way of playing the game and maintaining it for 4 quarters or across a 22 game season is unrealistic.

For me this is the number one thing I've questioned Buckley on these last few seasons. While no doubt we have many set plays and positioning that make up our game plan I often feel we rely on pressure first and foremost to make the other aspects of our game function, to hide some flaws if you will, whereas top sides can be off a little in the area of pressure but there style of play is robust enough in other areas to still find ways to win enough games across the season to make finals.

2.Seeing the dogs break our wall across high half forward and coast to a number of easy goals last night is something we've all become accustomed to in recent years and it does our head in.

Now it's easy to lay blame and wonder why it continues to occur but the reasons for it are quite likely linked to our ability to often gain more forward 50 entries than our opponents like we starkly saw last night.

The question is is it the best option for us?

It's obvious that the opposition know what we want to do and there response is to simply flood our forward zone to make it near impossible for us to find space to find a free target and as stated above we often then have to scrap and fight for the ball on the ground to achieve a scoring opportunity and to often resort to kicking the ball long and high to our forwards giving them little chance.

As we saw last night though if we make a mistake by foot and the ball is intercepted by our opposition or they win an easy clearance at ground level then all to quickly they can break our line and waltz down the other end for an easy shot on goal.

The dogs had what 20 odd less inside 50's last night yet only 1 less scoring shot?

While the number of forward entries might look good on the coaches stat sheet if a high percentage of them are of low quality and not to any real advantage of our forward targets is it the best approach?

I don't pretend to have the answers but what I do know (or think I know) is that our style of play appears taxing and not overly efficient inside f50 and if like last night we have wave after wave of forward thrusts for no scoreboard benefit you've expelled a hell of a lot of physical and emotional energy only to see the opposition eventually break your line and add 6 points with relative ease.

I'm interested in peoples thoughts on the areas we need to improve in or rethink in order to take the next step and return to finals.
 

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