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Is Cricket DEAD? Part 2

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Brishawk said:
I don't think Mitch is better or worse than he first started, I just think batsman has wised up to him. He has never consistently moved the ball back into the right hander and has always bowled a wide line. Early on batsman swung at these and got out but now they just wait as the bad balls come nearly every over.
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Mitch seemed to get many wickets from bad balls.
 
Brishawk said:
I don't think Mitch is better or worse than he first started, I just think batsman has wised up to him. He has never consistently moved the ball back into the right hander and has always bowled a wide line. Early on batsman swung at these and got out but now they just wait as the bad balls come nearly every over.
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BINGO.

He had two great tours against South Africa (here and there).

Interesting to look at his yearly bowling average. Started off brilliantly then like Brishawk said, just hit a brick wall.

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[B]season 2007/08[/B]   
  6   12   250.1   45   771   24   4/86   6/159   [B]32.12[/B]   3.08   62.5   0   0
[B]season 2008[/B]   
  3   6   104.5   20   347   10   4/41   5/113   [B]34.70[/B]   3.31   62.9   0   0   [URL="http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;season=2008;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings"][IMG]http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif[/IMG][/URL]  
[B]season 2008/09[/B]   
  12   23   530.2   108   1515   60   8/61   11/159   [B]25.25[/B]   2.85   53.0   2   1
[B]season 2009[/B]   
  5   9   162.1   15   651   20   5/69   6/99   [B]32.55[/B]   4.01   48.6   1   0   [URL="http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;season=2009;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings"][IMG]http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif[/IMG][/URL]   
[B]season 2009/10[/B]   
  8   16   298.3   63   1062   41   6/73   10/132   [B]25.90[/B]   3.55   43.6   2   1
[B]season 2010[/B]   
  2   4   53.4   8   217   3   1/31   2/112   [B]72.33[/B]   4.04   107.3   0   0   [URL="http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;season=2010;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings"][IMG]http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif[/IMG][/URL]     
[B]season 2010/11[/B]   
  6   10   215.1   35   815   23   6/38   9/82   [B]35.43[/B]   3.78   56.1   2   0   [URL="http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;season=2010%2F11;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings"][IMG]http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif[/IMG][/URL]   
[B]season 2011[/B]   
  3   5   101.4   18   313   6   2/48   2/82   [B]52.16[/B]   3.07   101.6   0   0   [URL="http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;season=2011;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings"][IMG]http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif[/IMG][/URL]   
[B]season 2011/12[/B]   
  2   4   62.1   9   255   3   1/61   2/168   [B]85.00[/B]   4.10   124.3   0   0
 
MJ's action can be corrected in some ways.

Last year, it was widely reported that his bowling arm had come down too far, meaning that he could not control his line. Add to that, he's never been able to bowl a consistent length, so what do you do with a guy that cannot bowl disciplined lengths and lines...

Ditch him? Or, get him bowling with his arm up, which means re-engineering his action, and getting the right arm involved. Wasim Akram has been working with Starc over the last few weeks. I think Fanie de Villiers was offering to help him out too in South Africa, but I'm not sure Mitch has taken up the offers of those guys to help him sort his action out.

I don't think there's much doubt his tricks are absent when he's not in the zone, and he reverts to his 'go to' ball to get guys out which is the short ball. From his low release it goes pretty straight for a right hander, and can be hard to play, but for a leftie, it's not much trouble.

I'd like to read descriptions of his wickets over the last 12 months and re-visit my thoughts here. See you in a couple of hours.
 
Story about Mitch in today's Age - there's a picture of him sitting there in his underwear - and he says something about his bowling action needing to be corrected.

Admitting there's a problem is the first step in solving it...
 

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So since the tour of India in 2010 Mitch has taken 32 wickets
25 wickets fell to Right Handers (7 to lefties)
11 wickets were to Short balls
20 to good length or full balls.


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What about the Tasmanian bowling coach who fixed Hilfs technical problems and was a very colse second to McD to get the Australian bowling coach position. He seems to know a thing or two about the technical side of swing bowling if Hilfs progress and success is anything to go by.

I can't believe the "authorities" are not looking at all the options and are wanting both Mitchells (J & S) available as left arm swing bowlers given there is the Ashes tour coming up. IMO the prospects are exciting as far as the bowling goes, pity about the batsmen though, there aren't any decent prospects out there at the moment.
 
I don't think Mitch has been given up on by any stretch of the imagination. Players can really turn it around with the the right coaching/mentoring/advice if the right structures are in place. If you said to me a few months ago that Hilfy would be the leading wicket taker vs India, I would have laughed at you. There is simply way too much upside to Mitch just to discard him. Long road back though.

As for batting, yes, not much there to get excited about. But it's not like we've had any real first class cricket to properly judge. Anyone seen much of the kid from NSW, Kurt something or other?
 
Number 24 said:
What about the Tasmanian bowling coach who fixed Hilfs technical problems and was a very colse second to McD to get the Australian bowling coach position. He seems to know a thing or two about the technical side of swing bowling if Hilfs progress and success is anything to go by.

I can't believe the "authorities" are not looking at all the options and are wanting both Mitchells (J & S) available as left arm swing bowlers given there is the Ashes tour coming up. IMO the prospects are exciting as far as the bowling goes, pity about the batsmen though, there aren't any decent prospects out there at the moment.
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I know who you are talking about N24.

A local bloke and a great bowler in his own right. Was able to swing the ball at pace both ways.

Well, so he kept telling us anyway. Think Nesbit is his name ;) :D

Bowled Simon....
 
Just browsed the Hun and Mitch mentions he's turned to Dennis Lillee to correct his action.
 
Number 24 said:
What about the Tasmanian bowling coach who fixed Hilfs technical problems and was a very colse second to McD to get the Australian bowling coach position. He seems to know a thing or two about the technical side of swing bowling if Hilfs progress and success is anything to go by.
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His name is Allister de Winter. Interestingly, de Winter actually went to the same High School - the worst rated in Launceston - as Ponting and Troy Cooley.

I see de Winter wants Hilfy rested for Adelaide"

http://smh.com.au/sport/cricket/hilfenhaus-should-skip-adelaide-says-coach-20120110-1ptkz.html
Allister de Winter, who helped Hilfenhaus rebuild his bowling action during winter, said selectors should consider resting the 28-year-old after the third Test in order to have him cherry ripe for the tour of the Caribbean after the Australian summer.

De Winter, who ran a close second to Craig McDermott to become Australia's bowling coach, said it would be the ideal opportunity to bench Hilfenhaus should Michael Clarke's side wrap up the series with either a draw or another victory at the WACA Ground.

''He needs to play in Perth. Whether he needs to then go to Adelaide on the back of it would be a red flag for me,'' de Winter said last night.

''If he bowls 40 overs in Perth I'd be asking … whether he needs to play in Adelaide where the wicket doesn't suit him.''
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http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/hilfenhaus-should-skip-adelaide-says-coach-20120110-1ptkz.html
 
grizzlym said:
I don't think Mitch has been given up on by any stretch of the imagination. Players can really turn it around with the the right coaching/mentoring/advice if the right structures are in place. If you said to me a few months ago that Hilfy would be the leading wicket taker vs India, I would have laughed at you. There is simply way too much upside to Mitch just to discard him. Long road back though.
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Care to elaborate? Apart from his batting (which is better than Haddins) what has he got going for him as a bowler? In the stats Henry posted it was 2 good season in 7 and the bad seasons were shockingly bad. The reason why we are winning test matches is because our strike bowlers are averaging in the 20s, not 50+ like Mitch's last couple of seasons . . .

People talk about him like there was some golden time when he was good . . . I just don't know when on earth that was . . .
 
Tassieboy said:
I see de Winter wants Hilfy rested for Adelaide"
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Someone needs to remind him it's TEST cricket, not some silly T20 competition. In Test Cricket, you play your best available 11 players, and the onus is on every player to make themselves available for selection.

Cricket coaches ... pfftt!!!
 
Sure. You see these performances every now and then when you think 'wow'. He's dangerous, consistent and has venom. The there's long spaces between. Plus, he adds the obvious lower order batting strength, which is a huge plus. Dunno, just think if he could get some consistency and control into his bowling, he'd also get belief. That's why I think he's worth persevering with and why I'm keen to see how the new regime go with him. If they have success, it'll be one more bit of proof how bad the previous mob were doing their job. Or not.
 

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grizzlym said:
Sure. You see these performances every now and then when you think 'wow'. He's dangerous, consistent and has venom. The there's long spaces between. Plus, he adds the obvious lower order batting strength, which is a huge plus. Dunno, just think if he could get some consistency and control into his bowling, he'd also get belief. That's why I think he's worth persevering with and why I'm keen to see how the new regime go with him. If they have success, it'll be one more bit of proof how bad the previous mob were doing their job. Or not.
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If they turn Mitch around into a world class player then their legacy of poo will be complete ;)
 
So since the tour of India in 2010 Mitch has taken 32 wickets @ 43
25 wickets fell to Right Handers (7 to lefties)
11 wickets were to Short balls
21 to good length or full balls.

16 wickets with full balls to right handers
8 LBW's and Bowleds
3 caught by WK
5 in Slips

5 wickets with full balls to left handers
2 LBW's
1 caught in the gully
1 caught in slip
1 caught short cover

9 wickets with short balls to right handers
3 caught on the hook
3 caught by WK
1 caught at cover
1 at gully
1 at slip

2 wickets with short balls to lefties
2 caught at slip

In summary, he has had little success against Lefties with full or short balls. To right handers, he's had success bowling full, but most of those wickets came in the one game in Perth where he took 9 wickets for the game, 7 right hand wickets, 7 with full balls!

In short, Mitch should ditch anything short to lefties
 
Nice write up Boonie. Another tough morning at the office for you I see....

Does India have anyone else in the their squad as a backup spinner to Ashwin? He hasn't looked like getting anyone out this series.

I'd be tempted to make the change there (not sure for who) and use Sehwag/Tendulkar as the part timers (though I think Tends is carrying something since he didn't bowl at Sydney).
 

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Nice. If the guys stick to the plan and put their heads down, we could be batting this arvo (Perth time).
 
Lovely off drive from Ghambir.
 
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