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[BarneyBent]

A pretty good guidelines their accent. Strauss and Prior have English accents, KP, Trott and Kieswetter don't. Symonds, Khawaja, Henriques, O'Keefe have Aussie accents.

But really, if they're citizens, they're fine by me.

 

[Heisenberg_]

cause these south africans dont wanna play with the blacks?
that was K.P

That is wrong, he kept getting overlooked for selection by Black players who did not deserve to be picked ahead of him based on cricket ability because of the quota system.

 

[big_e]

Didn't Dirk Nannes play for The Netherlands before he played for Australia?

Also, yeah, no-one would have started this thread if we were any good right now.

 

[mansize rooster]

yeah true
and re: k.p

was trollin.

*sigh*

 

[InCase]

Didn't Dirk Nannes play for The Netherlands before he played for Australia?

Also, yeah, no-one would have started this thread if we were any good right now.

Look at the Cahill response. He was born in Australia, it would be the Netherlands he couldn't play for.

This is bought up quite a lot, whether we are winning or losing, it's just even more so when we are losing. It's a fair point though, if a player hasn't been born in a country, hasn't been raised in the country, hasn't even played his youth cricket in the country, why should he play for that country? It happens in all sports, players chop and change to where they will get a game internationally - very much so in soccer and the olympics.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

I don't really have a problem with it. IIRC, the qualification period is four years. That's a damn big chunk of your potential playing career. If someone is prepared to give up four years of their life in order to play for another country.... so be it.

Kevin Pietersen annoys me somewhat... mostly because of his reasons for moving. He claims the quota system in South Africa was unfair and basically he spat the dummy and moved to England. And maybe that's true... but if I were in the same situation, I would have stuck around and actually worked to improve the system. I think it's pretty unlikely that KP wouldn't have eventually made the South African team. The national quota at the time was to have 2 coloured players... leaving the remaining 9 to be freely selected.

Anyway, I think he's showed himself to be a bit of a mercenary and I don't have much respect for him in that regard. But it was his choice, so be it.

To be honest, I don't know why Australian cricket doesn't do more to lure disenchanted fringe international players over here. When you think of some of the spinners being turned out in India and Sri Lanka (compared to our local players), why wouldn't you offer some young kid a scholarship to come and play in Australia? If he's good, when he's served his qualification period he can be eligible to play for Australia. And might still be only 24-26 which is a fine age for a spinner.

 

[Furn]

I don't really have a problem with it. IIRC, the qualification period is four years. That's a damn big chunk of your potential playing career. If someone is prepared to give up four years of their life in order to play for another country.... so be it.

Kevin Pietersen annoys me somewhat... mostly because of his reasons for moving. He claims the quota system in South Africa was unfair and basically he spat the dummy and moved to England. And maybe that's true... but if I were in the same situation, I would have stuck around and actually worked to improve the system. I think it's pretty unlikely that KP wouldn't have eventually made the South African team. The national quota at the time was to have 2 coloured players... leaving the remaining 9 to be freely selected.

Anyway, I think he's showed himself to be a bit of a mercenary and I don't have much respect for him in that regard. But it was his choice, so be it.

To be honest, I don't know why Australian cricket doesn't do more to lure disenchanted fringe international players over here. When you think of some of the spinners being turned out in India and Sri Lanka (compared to our local players), why wouldn't you offer some young kid a scholarship to come and play in Australia? If he's good, when he's served his qualification period he can be eligible to play for Australia. And might still be only 24-26 which is a fine age for a spinner.

The quota for provincial teams back then was at least 5 coloured players, i think it was reduced to 3 after that.

If your were a young player who could make your 1st class side even though you were in the best 7 players, would you just think "oh well im sure ill player the national team one day soon" ? Of course not you'd say screw this im outa here.

I dont think young kids think too much about playing interntional cricket, they just want to get paid asnd get a game at 1st class level.

 

[red+black]

Sour grapes thread?

I think many have been pointing out the non-Englishness of the England team for the past 20-30 years.

 

[InCase]

South Africa
3/373

England
7/122

Australia
10/91

Our batsmen are getting their ass kicked by two countries, kinda pathetic we couldn't even surpass Englands score.

 

[big_e]

To be honest, I don't know why Australian cricket doesn't do more to lure disenchanted fringe international players over here. When you think of some of the spinners being turned out in India and Sri Lanka (compared to our local players), why wouldn't you offer some young kid a scholarship to come and play in Australia? If he's good, when he's served his qualification period he can be eligible to play for Australia. And might still be only 24-26 which is a fine age for a spinner.

This is going off on a tangent, but England have also done reasonably well out of players from migrant communities - quite a few from Indian or Pakistani families have played for England in recent years - but the only one I can think of whose even playing first class cricket in Australia is Khawaja.

 

[Damon_3388]

add O"keefe to that All of the SA players in the England team were qualified for England by the age of 15. Strauss has lived in ENG since he was 2, Prior since he was 11 and Trott and Pieterson both had English parents so had British passports from birth.

They said on yesterday's telecast (in the morning, when he was still batting) that Strauss' family didn't leave South Africa until he was 6 years old, after which they spent some time in Australia, and then moved to England. He was likely still qualified for England by the time he was 15, but he apparently did spend a decent amount of his childhood in South Africa.

Didn't Dirk Nannes play for The Netherlands before he played for Australia?

Current South Australian Shield opener Tom Cooper represented The Netherlands in 10 ODIs earlier this year too, scoring one century and five half-centuries.

To be honest, I don't know why Australian cricket doesn't do more to lure disenchanted fringe international players over here. When you think of some of the spinners being turned out in India and Sri Lanka (compared to our local players), why wouldn't you offer some young kid a scholarship to come and play in Australia? If he's good, when he's served his qualification period he can be eligible to play for Australia. And might still be only 24-26 which is a fine age for a spinner.

Would have liked to have seen us extend the olive branch to Saqlain Mushtaq, as he was only 28 years old when dumped for good by Pakistan in early 2004. Has a great record in long and short forms of the game. Spent some time trying to qualify for England, but never really got a serious look-in behind Graeme Swann and Monty Panesar.

As for trying to import a spinner ourselves, Piyush Chawla anyone? Just turned 22, but outside of a trio of T20Is earlier this year, he hasn't represented India since 2008. Seems to be behind Harbhajan Singh, Pragyan Ojha, Amit Mishra and Ravichandran Ashwin in the pecking order of Indian spinners.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Would have liked to have seen us extend the olive branch to Saqlain Mushtaq, as he was only 28 years old when dumped for good by Pakistan in early 2004. Has a great record in long and short forms of the game. Spent some time trying to qualify for England, but never really got a serious look-in behind Graeme Swann and Monty Panesar.

Exactly. Another example is Ray Price, who was only 28 when he was exiled from the Zimbabwean cricket team. Ended up spending almost 4 years playing in England before agreeing to return to the Zimbabwean team. He's not the superstar that Saqlain is, but he is a handy cricketer and I reckon he is better than any other spinner going around in Australia at the moment.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Ridiculous thread. People move and migrate between countries, it is a fact of life. The 4 year qualification period is ample to prevent short-term stacking of a team for money. If a player moves and has enough commitment to serve out the 4 years then they should be allowed to play. Most major sports tournaments operate on a 4 year frequency, so it is likely to be at least one major tournament they miss while they serve out their time.