It just doesnt add up.

[CoggaRules]

Dont know about any other tigers out there, but cant help wondering why we are always debating about our youngsters that are being molly coddled in the 2s, with the constant suggestion that they have young bodies that need to be protected etc, then I watch an Angus Monfries who pretty much would be vying for muscle man of the year with the likes of Fiora, going from strenght to strength. Then I see a Dale Thomas who would make our muscle bound midelfielder of days gone by King, look like Mr. Universe.
Now the deal is, have Sheeds and Malthouse the wrong formula and TW the right one?

Not only that, I know its early days, but I am beggining to really worry about the Bling, when I look at those 2 kids, especially Monfries and his emergence.

 

[True Thylacine]

I think what we all do is try to find the magic formula. Is it feed em to the wolves, is it build em up slow, big blokes take longer, gets some miles in his legs, spend time in the gym etc etc bloody etc. Really, although there are a few trueisms, every individual is different. Why do some players play crap at Club A move to Club B and instantly they mature and start to deliver? No one knows and thats why its fun to try and speculate!

One thing that has stuick in my mind is watching Walls on Fox last week he actually said something that made sense to me. When they we baggin our result vs the Dogies he said, "Mind you no one should act surprised. This has been coming from 5 years back. The talent has been there and average number of games in the WB side is now around 70 odd so the time is ripe for them to not only perform but to gel as a unit."

Too many factors to actually say "this one is the ideal method!"

 

[blxx]

yawn.

 

[itsintheblood]

Dont know about any other tigers out there, but cant help wondering why we are always debating about our youngsters that are being molly coddled in the 2s, with the constant suggestion that they have young bodies that need to be protected etc, then I watch an Angus Monfries who pretty much would be vying for muscle man of the year with the likes of Fiora, going from strenght to strength. Then I see a Dale Thomas who would make our muscle bound midelfielder of days gone by King, look like Mr. Universe.
Now the deal is, have Sheeds and Malthouse the wrong formula and TW the right one?

Not only that, I know its early days, but I am beggining to really worry about the Bling, when I look at those 2 kids, especially Monfries and his emergence.

Throw in Kade Simpson at carlton to. This kid is a gun and showed signs very early on. Will play 200 games for carlton. I love the way he plays and is only built like a stick.

The bottom line is, if they're good enough they'll play.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Collingwood had 4 players 21 or under in their side yesterday..
I think Essendon had 7...

On friday night we had 7 so its not true to say we don't play as many kids as these and a lot of other sides..

As for Kade Simpson he turns 22 this year so he is not really an example of a player doing well early...

 

[CoggaRules]

another to add to the "it doesnt add up" file is TW's moves to counter the loss of Thursfield and Sarge. Like he ended up with Newmo on Reiwoldt, WTF?? Didnt see any press conference, but did TW explain his logic on that one? Seeing how Riewoldt for 10 minutes, was the difference in the end?
And the, "we didnt have any other option" excuse doesnt cut it IMO.

 

[banzai]

another to add to the "it doesnt add up" file is TW's moves to counter the loss of Thursfield and Sarge. Like he ended up with Newmo on Reiwoldt, WTF?? Didnt see any press conference, but did TW explain his logic on that one? Seeing how Riewoldt for 10 minutes, was the difference in the end?
And the, "we didnt have any other option" excuse doesnt cut it IMO.

I believe he went with Joel Bowden first, and Joel got slack and allowed Riewoldt to get 20m clear and Del Santo picked him out to put the Saints back in front. Then he went to Newman. Can u suggest better options? Oviously Gaspar had to stay on the G-Train and Kellaway would be way to slow. There really isnt a lot else. You cant pick a side assuming 2 big men will get injured, also there are very few players in the comp that can go with Riewoldt.

 

[banzai]

Dont know about any other tigers out there, but cant help wondering why we are always debating about our youngsters that are being molly coddled in the 2s, with the constant suggestion that they have young bodies that need to be protected etc, then I watch an Angus Monfries who pretty much would be vying for muscle man of the year with the likes of Fiora, going from strenght to strength. Then I see a Dale Thomas who would make our muscle bound midelfielder of days gone by King, look like Mr. Universe.
Now the deal is, have Sheeds and Malthouse the wrong formula and TW the right one?

Not only that, I know its early days, but I am beggining to really worry about the Bling, when I look at those 2 kids, especially Monfries and his emergence.

An argument against that would be Andrew Raines. Waited for him to improve his game, fitness and build up his body and now he earnt his place in the team. Also look at Bulldogs players like Gilbee, McMahon, Cross, Giansiracusa etc. They werent great for their first few seasons, they have been around 5 or so years now. Some players just take time.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

most players take time. those who dont are the exception not the rule.

 

[Crumden]

Dont know about any other tigers out there, but cant help wondering why we are always debating about our youngsters that are being molly coddled in the 2s, with the constant suggestion that they have young bodies that need to be protected etc, then I watch an Angus Monfries who pretty much would be vying for muscle man of the year with the likes of Fiora, going from strenght to strength. Then I see a Dale Thomas who would make our muscle bound midelfielder of days gone by King, look like Mr. Universe.
Now the deal is, have Sheeds and Malthouse the wrong formula and TW the right one?

Not only that, I know its early days, but I am beggining to really worry about the Bling, when I look at those 2 kids, especially Monfries and his emergence.

On the other hand, at clubs like West Coast and Brisbane, players are often in their third or fourth year before they start getting games with any regularity. These clubs make their kids earn their spots on merit.

You keep looking for quick fixes cogga, but the last 25 years should have taught you there are none.

 

[sante]

Deledio was just ready or AFL and Monfries had played SANFL the year before getting drafted I think

 

[CoggaRules]

On the other hand, at clubs like West Coast and Brisbane, players are often in their third or fourth year before they start getting games with any regularity. These clubs make their kids earn their spots on merit.

You keep looking for quick fixes cogga, but the last 25 years should have taught you there are none.

really?? never thought that these clubs you mentioned made their kids earn their posts on merit, taking them 3 or 4 years to get a go.
I wonder why it takes the kids that long in such sides? Could it be that the "merit level" they have to beat is kind of light years from the "merit level" at tigerland? Lets go back to before any of these clubs, you mentioned, had attainde the level of success they had and have, funny thing is the "buzz" word was turnover playes and turnover again, sift the wheat from the chaff, get 2 out of 10 players that can mix it and then another 1 maybe that needs work, with the rest getting a polite thanks but no thanks. And play it again sam, until the you get a half decent side. Then when you get to that, then you can be a little more forgiving, patient, make them eant their spots with merit. But thats ok, you know the deal, like you suggested, I am looking for quick fixes and the last 25 years should have taught me there are none.
Earth to Crumden, dont know about you man, but the one thing the last 25 years has taught me is that our recruiting has been sh-ite and so far i have seen nothing to change my mind from the current crop, apart from a No 1 pick who was so inconspicuous, a "hunch" Tucky, where the hunch was aligned to his dad and how "maybe" he was a late maturer and a lucky break with Thursfield who was given a "chance" as a rookie, not spotted and drafted. Add a rainsey, who was a father son, and is ok, maybe get a little better.
You might be going gaga at the hype that is trundled out, but 25 years of sh_ite teaches you that talk is just that talk, and action is action.
And right now, we have a bucket load of recruits in the 2s, including 2 of the top 5 picks of their year, getting their asses wiped week in week out at coburg, so you can keep dreaming man, because its the second year of their careers and they have played JS senior footy. Doesnt that make you think WTF? remember now, 2 of the top 5 picks, and Monfries of the bombers was what? 9? Now who is pulling whos leg man?
We have a Patto who is going to take over the reins from Paddy Steinfort and Simon Eastaugh, who were still developing when they had reached 200 games in the 2s, and you are going to ask me what the last 25 years have taught me? LMAO, you must be one who just belives what he hears, they love your types, easy job when people sit there with dumb smiles, bowing and saying yes, yes, yes.

 

[Bentleigh]

Monfries instead of Meyer anyone?

 

[Limbach_19]

Different players Bentleigh

 

[Bentleigh]

Ones good, ones not?

 

[Crumden]

And right now, we have a bucket load of recruits in the 2s, including 2 of the top 5 picks of their year, getting their asses wiped week in week out at coburg, so you can keep dreaming man, because its the second year of their careers and they have played JS senior footy. Doesnt that make you think WTF? remember now, 2 of the top 5 picks, and Monfries of the bombers was what? 9? Now who is pulling whos leg man?
We have a Patto who is going to take over the reins from Paddy Steinfort and Simon Eastaugh, who were still developing when they had reached 200 games in the 2s, and you are going to ask me what the last 25 years have taught me? LMAO, you must be one who just belives what he hears, they love your types, easy job when people sit there with dumb smiles, bowing and saying yes, yes, yes.

Not sure who you're talking about with those two top 5 picks. Deledio has played 24 out of 24 games and Tambling has played 13/24 with a few missed through injury. (Tambling and Monfries both played 12 games in their first season, so your argument that he played "JS senior footy" compared to Monfires doesn't wash. Unless I'm missing someone, JON at pick 8 is our next highest pick. He's been at the club for all of two games and they still haven't picked him. I'm all for blooding the kids and seeing what they've got. But unlike you I don't think they should be guaranteed a game just because they were drafted onto the list. Getting on the list is just the first step - they need to at least show something to suggest they are ready for AFL, even if its ready for just a taste. Its not as if its hard to break into our side.That's why Thursfield and Foley were promoted onto the list and got games ahead of others who were drafted before them. The club saw enough to see they might have something to offer straight away, while some other more highly regarded (at the draft table)players might take longer. Otherwise, hell, we might as well grab the shelf packer at Dimmeys and give him a game. Could be the next Royce Hart if only he could get a chance.

As an interesting comparison, Ben Rutten played 11 games in his first two seasons on the senior list, after a year on the rookie list. So 11 games in 3 years, then becomes the AA full back in his 4th year. David Rodan played 44 games in his first two years and IMO his form suffered as he was given games at times when he didn't deserve them. Some players like Lids and maybe Monfries can step in and play weekin week out from the start, but they are the exception not the rule.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

It just doesnt add up

 

[CoggaRules]

It just doesnt add up

and your point dude?