It just doesnt add up

[parrot]

you miss the point parrot droppings. and only because you want to.

Am I? Isn't the issue why players thrive when they leave your Club?

 

[ImaBeliever!]

This is rubbish.

Who here can say that they were absolutely shocked at the time when Rodan was delisted, and said that he would become a top player at another club?

Time for everyone to put up or shut up. Please link us to any posts at the time that show the above, and i'll congatulate you, but if not, then don't be hypocritical and blame GM or TW for getting rid of the guy, when the bulk of the footy world thought it was a safe call.

Most would have said he would be lucky to get a spot on another list, let alone come good.

No one questioned his work ethic, it was more an issue of hardness at the ball and decision-making / awareness.

 

[ImaBeliever!]

Am I? Isn't the issue why players thrive when they leave your Club?

Player development is an issue at RFC, Parrot, but what is the story at carlton?

Is it a case of excellent player development getting the most out of your players? If so, they are rubbish to begin with.

Or is it a case of having a great playing list, but extreemly poor player development?

Just wondering why you think you are in a position to bag us given the basket case that Carlton has been for several years?!?!

No wonder you guys are falling all over yourselves to get Judd; even the insiders have no faith in the current direction.

 

[krustyman]

williams is better thanwallace, and can get more out of his players, it didnt take port that long to climb back to a final and wallace has failed for 3 years straight. roos has also past the tigers so something is drastically wrong.

 

[parrot]

Player development is an issue at RFC, Parrot, but what is the story at carlton?...

Our young players are progressing nicely actually, especially after Ratten took over. Murph, Gibbs, Walker, Russell, Simmo, Carazzo, Betts, Jamison, Bower all progressing well. Kennedy and Hampson showing promise at the end as well. Setanta's development continues at an amazing rate. Fisher's taken his game to a new level this year as well.

 

[lids2004roar]

Great point about surrounding players CR.

A few of our other players will be better when they don't have the likes of Tiv, Hyde and Tuck around them too.

 

[blxx]

dude, you are talking to someone that rated the kid. He was a pro in his approach and the way he moved and for the ****ing simple reason that he actually had a flair to take risks and to make something out of nothing. i.e. fuclking snapping a goal from mid air. Now go and ask Hyde, Tiv Pettifer or Tuck if they have any ****ing idea which leg to go with first to even attempt that? ANd the comical mess that they would end up in if they even dreamt of giving it a go.
Dip shit.

wow thats all class that post, class i tell ya, CLASS.

All rodan did while he was here was bounce into the walls while trying to achieve every direction possible except forward. Then if he managed to he'd invariably cough it up with crap disposal.

He was far from the superstar you paint him out to be. In a good side Rodan looks a million dollars, at Richmond he was a mere thrupence.

So why ruin your splediferous hindsighted glory by getting all frothy at the mouth, asterix boy?

 

[NQTIGER]

Our young players are progressing nicely actually, especially after Ratten took over. Murph, Gibbs, Walker, Russell, Simmo, Carazzo, Betts, Jamison, Bower all progressing well. Kennedy and Hampson showing promise at the end as well. Setanta's development continues at an amazing rate. Fisher's taken his game to a new level this year as well.

Progressing nicely????? what was it six straight???????

 

[parrot]

Progressing nicely????? what was it six straight???????

We tanked them, or at least the coaches did. The players gave 100%, but they know, and several have privately acknolwedged, that the coaches adopted tactics to protect the PP. If we went all out we would have won 8-10 games in 2007. Got picks #1 and #3 out of it, and avoided the spoon still, and are now in a great position to get Kruezer and Judd, so I guess it was worth it wasn't it. Judd obviously rates our Club well above yours, as he didn't even bother to organise an interview with the Tiges, despite them offering a higher draft pick. If you want a true insight into our list potential, go watch the Blues thrashing of Port. It was brutal. Add a fit Fev, Stevens, Judd and Kruezer to that lineup, and you'll have something special.

 

[_RT_]

This is rubbish.

Who here can say that they were absolutely shocked at the time when Rodan was delisted, and said that he would become a top player at another club?

Time for everyone to put up or shut up. Please link us to any posts at the time that show the above, and i'll congatulate you, but if not, then don't be hypocritical and blame GM or TW for getting rid of the guy, when the bulk of the footy world thought it was a safe call.

Most would have said he would be lucky to get a spot on another list, let alone come good.

No one questioned his work ethic, it was more an issue of hardness at the ball and decision-making / awareness.

Some people might be a little worried their comments if they went back 6-12 months and read the comments they made about Rodan both before and after his delisting. While there were a number of comments wishing Rodan all the best at Port there are a few that labelled him a hack and there was even a call that he wont ever be a premiership player. The way it looks at the moment he is a 50-50 chance of being one next Saturday while those who were kept at Richmond are planning their end of season trip to Vegas.

 

[Andre]

All rodan did while he was here was bounce into the walls while trying to achieve every direction possible except forward. Then if he managed to he'd invariably cough it up with crap disposal.

He was far from the superstar you paint him out to be. In a good side Rodan looks a million dollars, at Richmond he was a mere thrupence.

You could argue Rodan could get more possessions in a good side, or more goals, but poor disposal? How's that work? Then - 'Oh it's a young Tiger beside me, I won't bother kicking straight' and now 'I've just been fed the ball by Lade, his telekenetic powers will ensure I hit Tredrea on the chest'?!?

Rodan's best work for Port has been in the midfield, getting clearances. He's not a starting midfielder most weeks (though he was last night) and doesn't have the tank to play there all game, but if you're getting contested ball and clearances how are others making you look good, when you're the first (or at best a tap from your ruckmen) to the ball?

Rodan's said it multiple times himself - Choco is a teacher of players, and the best coach he's had. Plain and simple. It's a comment we Port supporters hear from our young players over and over. He's not perfect as a coach, but results speak far more then spin in the long run.

The problem isn't that Richmond got rid of him, the problem is Richmond has a coach that can't get the best out of players.

 

[ImaBeliever!]

Our young players are progressing nicely actually, especially after Ratten took over. Murph, Gibbs, Walker, Russell, Simmo, Carazzo, Betts, Jamison, Bower all progressing well. Kennedy and Hampson showing promise at the end as well. Setanta's development continues at an amazing rate. Fisher's taken his game to a new level this year as well.

Yes, but arguably no better than ours, and no reason to throw stones. Apart from the poor day today, our guys at Coburg have done very well and showed they are the real deal. With more resources dedicated to the important player development area, RFC will gradually rise to the top (no blame in hoping, hey?)

 

[CoggaRules]

wow thats all class that post, class i tell ya, CLASS.

All rodan did while he was here was bounce into the walls while trying to achieve every direction possible except forward. Then if he managed to he'd invariably cough it up with crap disposal.

He was far from the superstar you paint him out to be. In a good side Rodan looks a million dollars, at Richmond he was a mere thrupence.

So why ruin your splediferous hindsighted glory by getting all frothy at the mouth, asterix boy?

listen muppet brain. You really have trouble with logic dont you?
Let me ask you this fool. How do you get to be a good side? With good players? maybe? so if Rodan looks a million dollars in a good side, then what does tell you about the players that were kept in preference to him ? FFS, you really dont have a ****ing clue do you?
Hindsight? How many ****ing times has that word been used to excuse those who are suppose to be able to use foresight fool?

 

[IDGAF]

Watching the Port-Roos game today I couldnt help asking the same question over and over again. Why is it that we sit back and watch D-Rod slicking handballs out of tight situations, creating space, creating plays, for the Power and we then watch Tiv Hyde and Tuck make **** up after **** up? Like dont know about any of you, I rated the kid. And the 3 above mentioned muppets were deemed more useful to our cause?
BTW, before everyone jumps in with their 3 cents worth about how he is surrounded by jets and that makes the difference. Yeah, understand, but that ultimately means that he had the goods and who was around him, i.e the above mentioned hacks, had JS.
Another monumental **** up. WTF, and we didnt even get a trade? Like you cant be serious GM can you? FFS, get the **** back into the back office and get someone in there that knows what the **** a footballer is.

Remember a bloke called Scott Turner who struggled to get a game at Melbourne back in 90`s

it happens cogga

 

[CoggaRules]

Remember a bloke called Scott Turner who struggled to get a game at Melbourne back in 90`s

it happens cogga

yeah, but you are indirectly backing up my side of the debate arent you?
do you know why? We got Scotty, they got rid of him, we got rid of D-Rod and Port got him. Now you can work out what happens when you make descions based on foresight instead of using "hindsight" to excuse desicions.
Again, if a player was going to be good because he is in a good side, then what does that say about the players that were retained in the side that he wasnt good in? Easy question isnt it?
I mean, he slicked gives on Sunday to passing runners that were downright sublime...have you ever seen Hyde or Tiv slick it out like that? These 2 were preffered to d-Rod for what? Like come on now, its downright lauaghable. We are rebuilding. When you rebuild you dont get rid of players that can do but arent doing, because they are surrounded by cant dos.
Foresight = gee we can see he is sturggling because he needs good players around him. So lets keep him until we can surround him with the good players. Ok, we cant keep him, but we know he will be good in a good side, so lets trade him to a good side. Good side says, nah, we know you have NFI and you are about to delist him so we wait for you to make the NFI move and delist him, and keep the duds.

Hindsight = We have NFI so we delisted him, and didnt know he was as good as he is. Lets just let the punters say, "It happens" and we are still reffered to as spotters of talent that just lucked out.

 

[IDGAF]

yeah, but you are indirectly backing up my side of the debate arent you?
do you know why? We got Scotty, they got rid of him, we got rid of D-Rod and Port got him. Now you can work out what happens when you make descions based on foresight instead of using "hindsight" to excuse desicions.
Again, if a player was going to be good because he is in a good side, then what does that say about the players that were retained in the side that he wasnt good in? Easy question isnt it?
I mean, he slicked gives on Sunday to passing runners that were downright sublime...have you ever seen Hyde or Tiv slick it out like that? These 2 were preffered to d-Rod for what? Like come on now, its downright lauaghable.

i hear what you are saying and in essence i agree ... if he had some decent midfield cattle around him i have absolutely no doubt the results may have been different

sometime there are just intangibles that we on this side of the fence ... or the powers that be for that matter ... just can`t see .

he had pressure at richmond ... pressure to step into the midfield and and be a key ... he in a lot of ways was one of the heirs apparent . maybe he just didn`t cope with it . Maybe it affected his decision making .. who knows ?

What pressure does he have at Port ? i would venture to say "none" ... he has nothing to lose ... hence it has freed him up .

the point is ... where we are in our history we need kids to step pretty quickly and fill the voids ... D-Rod for all his good intentions ran his race with us , like i said , it happens , if we were not completely bottoming out as we were then we could afforded that boy some more time , but unfortunately circumstances were that we had to make some decisions , and i reckon we made the right one at the time . just unfortunate for us that he has done the turn around he has ... good for him though

 

[CoggaRules]

i hear what you are saying and in essence i agree ... if he had some decent midfield cattle around him i have absolutely no doubt the results may have been different

sometime there are just intangibles that we on this side of the fence ... or the powers that be for that matter ... just can`t see .

he had pressure at richmond ... pressure to step into the midfield and and be a key ... he in a lot of ways was one of the heirs apparent . maybe he just didn`t cope with it . Maybe it affected his decision making .. who knows ?

What pressure does he have at Port ? i would venture to say "none" ... he has nothing to lose ... hence it has freed him up .

the point is ... where we are in our history we need kids to step pretty quickly and fill the voids ... D-Rod for all his good intentions ran his race with us , like i said , it happens , if we were not completely bottoming out as we were then we could afforded that boy some more time , but unfortunately circumstances were that we had to make some decisions , and i reckon we made the right one at the time . just unfortunate for us that he has done the turn around he has ... good for him though

yeah, but it wasnt the right one at the time was it? I mean, Hyde ends up playing at Coburg and Tivendale continues to make us laugh. This is why i suggest it doesnt add up. You say, unfortunately they had to make the descisions because of the circumastances. Apart from wanting to keep the players that they knew were going to be integral in gettting us at #1 or #2 draft picks, I really cant understand how they can come to the conclusion that Hyde or Tivendale were better than D-Rod.
When blind freddy could see that if not on a par with them, D-Rod offered so much more in the quick thinkng dept than the others.

 

[IDGAF]

yeah, but it wasnt the right one at the time was it? I mean, Hyde ends up playing at Coburg and Tivendale continues to make us laugh. This is why i suggest it doesnt add up. You say, unfortunately they had to make the descisions because of the circumastances. Apart from wanting to keep the players that they knew were going to be integral in gettting us at #1 or #2 draft picks, I really cant understand how they can come to the conclusion that Hyde or Tivendale were better than D-Rod.

fair enough .... but i`m not going to beat myself up over it .

 

[CoggaRules]

fair enough .... but i`m not going to beat myself up over it .

not beating myself up over it too dude. Was at the G on friday night with a few other tigerheads and we were saying that there is a chance that 2 players that were not deemed part of our plans are going to be facing each other in the granny 1 and 2 years after they were given the best boost to their careers possible. ****ing D-Rod was awesome on Saturday, he snagged 2, and I would go as far as to say, each of his possessions, resulted in a score for Port. He made 1 and I mean 1 mistake that he even had the audacity to put the second effort in tackle the player, and get the ball loose and then another goal. And this is who we deemed not even fit for trade and just throw onto the scrap heap? Ridiculous stuff..

 

[1980]

The kid had knee problems. The probabilities that he'd be a 200 gamer were against him.

Then again we perservered with Coughlan and his injuries, and dare I say Krakouer

 

[LVAK]

If Rodan would be in our best 22 in season 2010 then it was a bad decision but if he would not then it was a good decison to let him go.

He would have been delisted based upon this ( i.e Foley or Rodan in 2010) so let's wait and see.
He's the media flavour of the month , a feel good story but the story has only just begun

 

[CoggaRules]

The kid had knee problems. The probabilities that he'd be a 200 gamer were against him.

Then again we perservered with Coughlan and his injuries, and dare I say Krakouer

How about Hartigan and Kingsley like WTF? 0, we got ****ing 0 from these dudes. As for looking to the future, 0 is overstating it.
And they are going to suggest that hey, shit happens when the D-Rod question gets bandied about? I mean, Hartigan was retained for what reason? Like I didnt see anything in the whole year that suggested he was going to be Coburg senior, let alone getting a start in the 1s, and they kept him on the list for what?

 

[emperor]

one of those 'seemed like a good idea at the time' moments but in hindsight a monumental F*** up

Not because of the player we let go, but because of the players we kept

I know it's hard to tell how a player will react in a new environment and what a player needs to motivate them etc etc but that is what the top recruiters are paid the big bucks for...which is what we need

....Hyde and Hartigan instead of D-Rod

 

[1980]

How about Hartigan and Kingsley like WTF? 0, we got ****ing 0 from these dudes. As for looking to the future, 0 is overstating it.
And they are going to suggest that hey, shit happens when the D-Rod question gets bandied about? I mean, Hartigan was retained for what reason? Like I didnt see anything in the whole year that suggested he was going to be Coburg senior, let alone getting a start in the 1s, and they kept him on the list for what?

Hatrigan is rubbish

Kingsely is to Wallace what Hudson was to Frawley

 

[IDGAF]

Hatrigan is rubbish

Kingsely is to Wallace what Hudson was to Frawley

bit harsh ... Frawley thought Paul hudson was the icing on the cake to win us a flag

LMAO

F..k he is stupid