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for us to deliberately lose games this season in order to remain eligible for the priority pick.

forget for a moment Tom Scully, forget the second pick in the top 5. Forget the draft all together. Everyone is talking about the "upside of tanking" but lets look at the downside because the potential consequences of deliberately loosing games far outweighs the gains of having 2 top 5 picks in this draft.

you thought Carlton were screwed after their salary cap rorting? just wait till the AFL gets through with us for match fixing - because that's what tanking is. regardless of the reasons, tanking is match fixing and in a professional sports competition those who partake in it can face fines, bans and even criminal charges.

were we to tank and then be found out historical precedence in other sports gives the AFL a range of punishments they could implement. and those boys in the afl head office would have a field day deciding how to systematically destroy our club.

Carlton received a $980,000 fine and a 2 year ban from the first and second rounds of the national draft for cheating the salary cap, quite a hefty penalty . now lets look at what other professional sports leagues have done to penalise match fixing before we consider what the AFL would do to us

2006 Series A (italy) - Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina are suspected of match fixing by selecting favourable referees. Juventus is stripped of it's titles, and banned from competing in the European club championships. all clubs except AC Milan are relegated to Serie B

1998 Cricket - Waugh and Shane Warne are fined for revealing pitch and weather information to a bookie

2005 Brazil - two football referees, Edílson Pereira de Carvalho (a member of FIFA's referee staff) and Paulo José Danelon, had accepted bribes to fix matches. Soon afterwards, sport authorities ordered the replaying of 11 matches in the country's top competition, the Campeonato Brasileiro, that had been worked by Edílson. Both referees have been banned for life from football and face possible criminal charges

2005 Bundesliga scandal - while this was orchestrated outside of any clubs knowledge and carried out by referees it's important to note that Hamburger SV received compensation worth up to €2 million for its forced early exit from the DFB Cup and compensation arrangements are planned for certain other teams affected.

looking at these examples it's clear to see that it is a serious offence. any player, coach or club official found guilty faces bans, fines and criminal action. the club would also face fines, loss of draft picks and possibly be banned from playing for a season or more. with that in mind it's very possible that sponsors would abandon us and how many out of contract players are going to want to stay with us, and how are we going to pay the players still with us?

so great we get Scully and some other 18 year old, don't think they're going to be the answer to our problems

alarmist maybe, but if you want to tank you have to be prepared to accept all the consequences. so ask your self, is it worth it?
 
Going a bit far there mate.. D.Bailey just needs to play it smart not blatantly obvious. jeez talk about taking it to the extreme.

the extreme happens. all it takes is one piece of evidence proving that we didn't attempt to win all matches and the shit hits the fan

watergate wasn't blatantly obvious
 

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My dear Omit,

while you are at it can you tell me who shot Kennedy ?

A few conspiracies in that lot....you kidding aren't you?

lee harvey oswalt, he was carried over the barricade by a brigade of US Carrier birds.

there were reports of anti casto pigeons seen in a bar before the shooting, they were overheard saying "coo coo"


the only conspiracy in my op was the potential penalties we would face, all of them entirely possible
 
ok say we didn't deliberately lose but we only won 4 games you would rather 5?

if we try our hardest and only win 4. i'm fine with that
if we try our hardest and only win 5. i'm also happy

as long as we do our best i'm happy with whatever the outcome. it's the idea of not trying that sickens me
 
Are you taking the p155 with the OP? If Carlton could be so blatantly obvious in doing what they did in 2007 and not face any consequences, we can do whatever the hell we want and get away with it as long as that muppet Dimitriou is still CEO of the AFL and refuses to admit that tanking exists. "List Management" all the way I say!
 
ok say we didn't deliberately lose but we only won 4 games you would rather 5?

Are you taking the p155 with the OP? If Carlton could be so blatantly obvious in doing what they did in 2007 and not face any consequences, we can do whatever the hell we want and get away with it as long as that muppet Dimitriou is still CEO of the AFL and refuses to admit that tanking exists. "List Management" all the way I say!

and if list management isn't enough? what do you want the club to do then
 
THE Gold Coast's right to select the best 17-year-old footballers in the country has been augmented by a 23-month hold on even those who decline the invitation to join the AFL's 17th team.

Apart from being able to fillet next year's national draft this year, with access to the dozen 17-year-olds, the club has also been given the right to sign one uncontracted player from each club and will hold picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 in the 2010 national draft. Priority signings out of Queensland and the Northern Territory are also permitted.





Is this not enough reason to want the PP. call me crazy but does anyone think demitriou has had a word to melbourne and "advised' them to win 5 games this year. hope im just paranoid
 
It would effectively take the coach to admit he threw the game for a club be penalised for tanking. Carlton made it blantently obvious they were tanking and there is reasonable evidence they were. Thier CEO with four rounds left said that he hoped they would not win another game, Kouta who retired only a few weeks before said he thinks they should lose the rest of the games and Liberatore said that they were tanking until he refused to discuss with the AFL when the heat was applied to him.

So it would take extremely strong evidence for a team to be penalised for tanking.
 

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lee harvey oswalt, he was carried over the barricade by a brigade of US Carrier birds.

there were reports of anti casto pigeons seen in a bar before the shooting, they were overheard saying "coo coo"


the only conspiracy in my op was the potential penalties we would face, all of them entirely possible

:eek: here I was thinking Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer! ;)

As for the OP, I think one of the main things your trying to get across- which I agree with wholeheartedly- is that the integrity of the MFC will be hit hard if we 'tank'. That said I honestly believe that we are only 1-2 QUALITY players (which we may already have Blease, Strauss etc) away from being setup for a premiership tilt in 3-4 yrs. That is of course, assuming that we continue to develop the potential shown :thumbsu:

Its funny- midweek when I'm rationally and logically thinking about it, I think we shouldnt win anymore than 2 so we get the picks. But come gameday I'm desperate for victory, and that feeling cannot be beat. We should win as many as we can!
 
is it worth it?

Biggest load I've ever heard.

There will be no consequences. As long as the Coach goes short of saying 'WE deliberately went out there to lose' It's all roses here.

We've been god awful for 3 years and to not maximise the system would be mindblowingly dumb.

I hope we lose the next 4.
 
Out : Bruce, Green, Morton, McLean

In : Zomer, Hughes, Chopper Caroll.

Id like to see those changes thanks..

Wont happen though, we will win 3 outta 4..

And then we can all watch Skully play else where
and dominate week in - week out next year, should be great.

Great vision Dean, your the man.
 

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