Jacks bump to the head

[Bird Man]

If you had the choice
what would of done???

 

[Bird Man]

He is absolutely filthy about this

 

[BF Tiger]

What happened for those of us not at the game or watching on TV?

 

[Bird Man]

What happened for those of us not at the game or watching on TV?

Jack attempting to take a screamer lands awkwardly and docs say he can't go on and you can see jack give dimma a spray

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Loaded up on Jack to be the highest goal kicker tonight, put the bet on 2 mins before the bounce, aaahhh hindsight.....

 

[Dramoth]

Not being rude or nothing, but he was going for mark of the year, bounced his head off the ground and had to be helped off.

He was clearly out of it when he was being walked off the ground and was correctly subbed.

Now you guys know what it was like for us Carlton supporters last week when we had to sub Waite early.

On the plus side, it looks like your forward line is working a lot better without him. Nicely done to be leading the Aints at half time

 

[RU_]

Ouch to the above poster. He is a disgrace for the way he took it, does he want more injurys?

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

On the one hand this further proves what a joke the sub rule is.

On the other hand, given then circumstances, you sub Jack every time. Non essential development game why risk his health? Plus, we have openly stated we need more avenues to goal, this is our chance. Vickery ftw. Can't wait to rub his performances in Tugga's face

 

[Bird Man]

Ouch to the above poster. He is a disgrace for the way he took it, does he want more injurys?

He is passionate about his game and club sudden out first from a young bloke

 

[PHX]

We did all we could do.

Jacks reaction means nothing as to whether he is concussed or not and while the commentators had a whinge I loved the passion.

 

[SteveRFC]

We did all we could do.

Jacks reaction means nothing as to whether he is concussed or not and while the commentators had a whinge I loved the passion.

Love his passion too. Bleeds yellow and black

 

[The Goon]

Not being rude or nothing, but he was going for mark of the year, bounced his head off the ground and had to be helped off.

He was clearly out of it when he was being walked off the ground and was correctly subbed.

Now you guys know what it was like for us Carlton supporters last week when we had to sub Waite early.

On the plus side, it looks like your forward line is working a lot better without him. Nicely done to be leading the Aints at half time

No you nong, he was going for the type of mark he took week in week out last year.

 

[jihg]

Ouch to the above poster. He is a disgrace for the way he took it, does he want more injurys?

It's called passion and Jack is passionate about his football and the club but you are right he should be ashamed of that.

 

[Dramoth]

No you nong, he was going for the type of mark he took week in week out last year.

He was saying in the preview for the halftime show that he wanted to take a hanger over Gilbert or Goddard and went for a screamer and came down wrong.

I am sure that he would have been ok to come back after half time, but as things stood... they had to make a decision on the spot more or less and it came down on protecting the player.

Can you imagine if he went back out there and got collared again high and copped a secondary concussion on top of the one he already had. What sort out outcry would there have been if he had to be stretchered off the ground because of the resultant brain swelling.

There would have been a Richmond lynch mob out for Dimma and the doctors for letting him come out.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

On the plus side, it looks like your forward line is working a lot better without him. Nicely done to be leading the Aints at half time

I don't think that's why we managed to score fairly regularly. Our forwardline didn't kick the goals. Most of our goals came from rotating mids who pushed forward. If you directly switched Morton and Jack without any more of the ball going to Jack than what went to Morton, instead of 1 goals from morton we would have had at least 3 from Riewoldt (without having any effect on the rest of the goals we kicked!)

 

[astro_toby]

Have no problem with the passion he showed - thats what makes him do the things he does ON the field.

The rule is the right one if you ask me, but it needs to be worked on and cleared up. The amount of time it took for them to finally assess if he could come back on was ridiculous. The fact he went back into the rooms 5 times was a joke. If the AFL care and want this to be about players health, then they need to get the proper equipment to tell quickly if he is fit to go back on. I don''t know the technical aspects to this (who would have guessed ? ), but surely some equipment exist that can read or monitor the brain waves to measure the extent of the concussion.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Tonight begged the question: does it hurt a player more to sit on the sidelines and watch than it does for him to go back on?

Can someone tell me Jack's brain was stressed out less from 'taking a rest' than it was from playing? He was going absolutely out of his mind, like all 100% commitment players would.

FWIW, I agreed with the decision to leave him off, he's too important to our future to take the slightest risk, but my initial conviction about that was well and truly blurred and tested by how much he suffered on the bench. In all honesty, by the end of the match I thought it did him more harm than good sitting on the bench. At least if he's on the field he has blood running fast through his whole system repairing it, rather than being cold and subbed on the bench with the only stress being applied occurring solely in the injured area - his brain.

 

[astro_toby]

Tonight begged the question: does it hurt a player more to sit on the sidelines and watch than it does for him to go back on?

Can someone tell me Jack's brain was stressed out less from 'taking a rest' than it was from playing? He was going absolutely out of his mind, like all 100% commitment players would.

FWIW, I agreed with the decision to leave him off, he's too important to our future to take the slightest risk, but my initial conviction about that was well and truly blurred and tested by how much he suffered on the bench. In all honesty, by the end of the match I thought it did him more harm than good sitting on the bench. At least if he's on the field he has blood running fast through his whole system repairing it, rather than being cold and subbed on the bench with the only stress being applied occurring solely in the injured area - his brain.

don't know much about neurology, but i am pretty sure you have no ****ing idea by that above statement. Have you been to your neurologist lately Ray?

 

[Rayzorwire]

don't know much about neurology, but i am pretty sure you have no ****ing idea ...

And doesn't that just sum you up 'Toby' - which football team will I barrack for? What position am I going to weigh in on at 100% when I actually aren't smart enough to come up with a definitive answer all by myself?

Neurologist indeed?

Enjoy licking Carlton arse tomorrow night Mr. No Sack All Mouth 50/50 fence squatter - no wonder we didn't see you last week, you were no doubt posting and celebrating on the Carlton board under a pseudonym all week.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Had to be subbed off. He looked gone when he hit the ground.

Anyway, in the end, it so worked in our favour. We needed to find other avenues to goal and others had to present. In that sense, it hurts now but in the long run we may be better for it.

 

[Bird Man]

i dont know how many f you were watching when he stood up and sprayed dimma but it was understandable i would have done the same and you could really feel he was heart broken that who couldnt help his side get over teh line when they drew

he will just have to kick 12 next week to make up for it

 

[astro_toby]

And doesn't that just sum you up 'Toby' - which football team will I barrack for? What position am I going to weigh in on at 100% when I actually aren't smart enough to come up with a definitive answer all by myself?

Neurologist indeed?

Enjoy licking Carlton arse tomorrow night Mr. No Sack All Mouth 50/50 fence squatter - no wonder we didn't see you last week, you were no doubt posting and celebrating on the Carlton board under a pseudonym all week.

ahhh, good to see you still have that crutch when you know you have nothing left to stand on.

blah blah blah - how old are you now? ****ing can't believe you actually wrote you think it did his health MORE damage to sit on the bench than run the came out with concussion. you're a true idiot with no imagination. After 8 years you STILL rely on the same childish retaliation when i point out how stupid you are

 

[Infamy]

Tonight begged the question: does it hurt a player more to sit on the sidelines and watch than it does for him to go back on?

Can someone tell me Jack's brain was stressed out less from 'taking a rest' than it was from playing? He was going absolutely out of his mind, like all 100% commitment players would.

FWIW, I agreed with the decision to leave him off, he's too important to our future to take the slightest risk, but my initial conviction about that was well and truly blurred and tested by how much he suffered on the bench. In all honesty, by the end of the match I thought it did him more harm than good sitting on the bench. At least if he's on the field he has blood running fast through his whole system repairing it, rather than being cold and subbed on the bench with the only stress being applied occurring solely in the injured area - his brain.

Haha, you really are far more insane than I ever thought
If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous, don't ever take up neurosurgery

 

[Rayzorwire]

It's a perfectly valid question to ask whether or not it did Reiwoldt's brain more or less damage to get extremely upset on the bench numerous times, then sit down cold and upset for a couple of hours, then go home cold and upset for the rest of the night.

Blood flow is absolutely crucial in circumstances where shock and trauma has occurred, to the point where the medical expert renowned for getting Rugby League players and other top sportsmen back playing the week after various muscle, bone and other injuries, advocates stimulating and moving the affected area immediately after injury to hasten and aid the recovery time involved. An AFL, University indoctrined club doctor will disagree, but let me tell you, they shut right up when asked to explain how their four week injury could disappear in six days.

Mental stress is a massive, poorly understood factor in illness and well-being, the no.1 'medical expert' in the world hoping to diagnose and interpret what happened tonight has absolutely no idea how much the mental stress Jack suffered tonight will affect his recovery and his long term well-being as compared to being allowed to go back on.

What we do have is a lot of speculation, massive grey areas and a lot of club doctors frightened of being sued down the track.

So yes, like you said initially, you DON'T know much about it.

What would you know about sports medicine, about being concussed, and most importantly, what it's like to be 'ends of the earth' passionate like Jack Reiwoldt is about ONE football club?

Seeya next year Toby...in rd.2 of course...after you've met all your rd.1 obligations to your fellow Silvertails.

 

[MightyTiger]

Rayzor...... have you recently started doing drugs?