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Autopsy Jesse Hogan - Worth 220 Points

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I haven't read people say 'snap out of it' or 'just get over it' so much (though maybe they did wish it was that easy so we have our CHF back). More so generally, if he can no longer do his job, it would probably be best if he retired from being a professional footballer and go and find something else that will better suit him. And this isn't specific to him because he's a professional sportsman, for example:

- if you have strong susceptibility to skin cancer, maybe life guarding isn't the best job for you and you should think about finding another job where you spend more time in the shade
- if you have bad vertigo, maybe window cleaning office towers isn't going to give you long term job satisfaction
- if you are starting to get the shakes in one or both hands, put down that dentist drill and go manage your investment properties
- if you can't handle the mental stress of tough billing targets, then leave your job at that large law or accounting firm
- if getting shouted at is wearing you down, leave the restaurant kitchen.

Likewise, if you have serious anxiety and/or other similar issues (whatever they specifically are), then playing competitive sport in front of 40000+ spectators week in week out, with many of them booing your every move or wanting you to fail, or dealing with egocentric sadists in the media dragging you and your team down every day in between and picking apart everything you've done on and off the field, or going to do your grocery shopping or having a beer with friends and everyone is glancing at you or trying to take sly photos they can use against you, then maybe you should find a job out of the spotlight that suits you better.

I don't disagree with that as sad as it would be to lose someone of Jesse's talent from Freo. But it may be best for him. That is empathy in my book.
 
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Achin joints said:
Bloody hell ,some people cant comprehend what mental illness is ,the amount of times I've heard people say things like snap out of it ,fu** me sideways it's like saying snap out of cancer .drug abuse , alcohol dependence and poor choices go hand in hand with mental illness, seriously do we think Jesse is in a good place .is it so hard to be emphatic ?
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I have worked with and managed people with mental health issues and have been involved in projects in specialist mental health care institutions. I have family with a history of clinical depression, suicide, self harm. I have experienced depression, though not at a level requiring treatment or support beyond family and friends. And even after that I would admit to not really feeling like I quite comprehend what people are going through. I get they are going through stuff, but I’d be guilty of having just snap out of it moments.

I sometimes think that I can get what someone experiencing racial discrimination, being in an abusive relationship, discrimination based on gender, sexuality, poverty, education, age etc is going through. But for me as a typical, privileged, English speaking, white male, it is too easy to assume normal for me is everyone’s normal.
 
do not mean to intrude, but the Bulldogs have had similar issues both with the extra-cirricular drug taking and talented full forward pulling the pin, so this is an interesting case.

it just seems to me that Jesse is taking the best of all three worlds. he is still continuing playing up in public, still getting paid his massive wage but not playing. he doesnt really need to change much because why would he? his world keeps spinning. people keep giving him the sympathy card because mental illness is just something you cant publicly wonder about. if an apprentice had a bit going for him but wasnt rocking up because he was smoking pot in bed, but then said it was because of anxiety, the boss wouldnt put up with that shit. you either keep doing the thing that is creating/helping the mental issues, but you wont be rocking up to my site again. or, you pull your head in and stop smoking that shit – i'll help you, i'll empathise, i'll let you leave early to see a shrink, i'll understand adverse effects of any medication but youre showing up and showing up sober and ill keep paying you, even help you out with a new tool thats all yours. but you have to stop the drugs immediately.

right now the apprentice has the job but he gets to come back at any time, can keep smoking buckets masturbating watching American basketball, and is still getting his pay slips.
 

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The way I see it, is Jesse absolutely loves the game of football. He’s passionate, takes his mistakes very personally. He probably hasn’t got the best coping mechanisms to deal with this, or has ignored it. Add on the off field stuff which rarely affects healthy 20 year olds such as testicular cancer then his father passing away within a 12 month period. He probably wants to work really hard to get back to footy, find the love again and prove himself and his family, most of all his father that he can handle it. He walks away from AFL, it’s a slippery slope for him. He has put everything on the line to pursue his dream. Only have to see Ben Cousins in how bad it can go so wrong so soon after players retire. Hogan doesn’t seem to have extracurricular activities, responsibilities to keep his mind and motivation away from the professional athlete lifestyle.

Dayne Beams is probably going to walk away from the game, and he’s been battling his father’s death with his personal battles. Mostly positive support for him from the media.
 
I think what is perhaps being missed by the people saying - maybe he shouldn't be a professional footballer if he can't handle the pressure is:

Young people with his prodigious talent are nurtured from a very young age these days to be professional athletes. Quite rightly its seen as one of life's golden tickets to to fame and fortune. They are put in special programs and coached on everything from diet to media attention and then at 18 or in his case 17 they join the circus and off it goes.

All the while you're getting the message that you would be crazy not to want this, you're one of the special ones, everyone wants what you've got.
So what happens if it turns out you don't want it? When you realise that inside. All your life people have been bending over backwards to facilitate your career, what are they going to think if you turn around and say I don't want to do it? Everyone will be angry with me, they'll think I'm crazy.

And then there's - and now what the hell do I do with my life.

Imagine what it was like for Tom Boyd after the Bulldogs paid a King's ransom to get him to the club. How do you turn around and tell people you're leaving when you know the sort of reactions you're going to get - and then they will all say, take some time away, have a think about it, you don't want to throw this away!

Who is to say Hogan hasn't said I don't want to do this anymore and been told to take some time away and think about it?
 
E Shed said:
I think what is perhaps being missed by the people saying - maybe he shouldn't be a professional footballer if he can't handle the pressure is:

Young people with his prodigious talent are nurtured from a very young age these days to be professional athletes. Quite rightly its seen as one of life's golden tickets to to fame and fortune. They are put in special programs and coached on everything from diet to media attention and then at 18 or in his case 17 they join the circus and off it goes.

All the while you're getting the message that you would be crazy not to want this, you're one of the special ones, everyone wants what you've got.
So what happens if it turns out you don't want it? When you realise that inside. All your life people have been bending over backwards to facilitate your career, what are they going to think if you turn around and say I don't want to do it? Everyone will be angry with me, they'll think I'm crazy.

And then there's - and now what the hell do I do with my life.

Imagine what it was like for Tom Boyd after the Bulldogs paid a King's ransom to get him to the club. How do you turn around and tell people you're leaving when you know the sort of reactions you're going to get - and then they will all say, take some time away, have a think about it, you don't want to throw this away!

Who is to say Hogan hasn't said I don't want to do this anymore and been told to take some time away and think about it?
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I don't think any of that's missed (at least by me). But it shouldn't affect the eventual outcome. He may feel he would be putting people out, but disappointing someone close to you is part of life. Better he move on if he feels he can enjoy life better away from AFL before this drags him down any further - crumps and others will continue to bring this up every week he's out - the pressure's not going to get any less.

As much as I'd like to see him in our forward line, it's only if he is loving being out there, and not if it is causing further harm to his mental health.
 
Monument Hills said:
I don't think any of that's missed (at least by me). But it shouldn't affect the eventual outcome. He may feel he would be putting people out, but disappointing someone close to you is part of life. Better he move on if he feels he can enjoy life better away from AFL before this drags him down any further - crumps and others will continue to bring this up every week he's out - the pressure's not going to get any less.

As much as I'd like to see him in our forward line, it's only if he is loving being out there, and not if it is causing further harm to his mental health.
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Sure, but it may well take him months of agonising before he makes a decision. Meanwhile the Club is saying, take as long as you need and people are in his ear saying mate don't throw this away.
All I'm saying is it's probably the biggest decision of his life and it may not be made quickly. Hell I'd give him a year off to go surfing in Morroco or wherever on negotiated, reduced retainer and let him have a really good think about it if thats what it took.
 
Good words, E Shed.

I have to say though, regularly bathing your cerebral cortex in a depressant isn't the best thing to be doing.

Get off the piss, Jesse. Bin the mollys for a bit - just to see who is boss and to recalibrate "normal". Go for a surf - yeah, Morocco, why not; excellent food. Eat well. Get your shit together and then come back and dominate the living bejesus out of this tin pot competition. Tear shit up for the sheer unadulterated joy of it. Purify. Get simple.

Get ball. Kick ball.

Murder the bums.
 
Monument Hills said:
I haven't read people say 'snap out of it' or 'just get over it' so much (though maybe they did wish it was that easy so we have our CHF back). More so generally, if he can no longer do his job, it would probably be best if he retired from being a professional footballer and go and find something else that will better suit him. And this isn't specific to him because he's a professional sportsman, for example:

- if you have strong susceptibility to skin cancer, maybe life guarding isn't the best job for you and you should think about finding another job where you spend more time in the shade
- if you have bad vertigo, maybe window cleaning office towers isn't going to give you long term job satisfaction
- if you are starting to get the shakes in one or both hands, put down that dentist drill and go manage your investment properties
- if you can't handle the mental stress of tough billing targets, then leave your job at that large law or accounting firm
- if getting shouted at is wearing you down, leave the restaurant kitchen.

Likewise, if you have serious anxiety and/or other similar issues (whatever they specifically are), then playing competitive sport in front of 40000+ spectators week in week out, with many of them booing your every move or wanting you to fail, or dealing with egocentric sadists in the media dragging you and your team down every day in between and picking apart everything you've done on and off the field, or going to do your grocery shopping or having a beer with friends and everyone is glancing at you or trying to take sly photos they can use against you, then maybe you should find a job out of the spotlight that suits you better.

I don't disagree with that as sad as it would be to lose someone of Jesse's talent from Freo. But it may be best for him. That is empathy in my book.
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That is one hell of a sentence.
 
Honestly, what has he done since he has joined the club?
On field, he has been a total disappointment.
The only thing I remember of him since he has been here is all the photos of him totally reamed off his head.
But all I hear is how much of a legendary player he is.
I look and watch but I don't even see serviceable.
He has done nothing but take the piss out of Freo since has joined us.
And still people stick up for him.
 

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AAACockburn said:
Honestly, what has he done since he has joined the club?
On field, he has been a total disappointment.
The only thing I remember of him since he has been here is all the photos of him totally reamed off his head.
But all I hear is how much of a legendary player he is.
I look and watch but I don't even see serviceable.
He has done nothing but take the piss out of Freo since has joined us.
And still people stick up for him.
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Kind of agree with you.

Yeah two good games against Gws/Port. Serviceable against Collingwood. The rest yeah have to agree pretty poor.

He was playing with a shitty foot though.
 
AAACockburn said:
Honestly, what has he done since he has joined the club?
On field, he has been a total disappointment.
The only thing I remember of him since he has been here is all the photos of him totally reamed off his head.
But all I hear is how much of a legendary player he is.
I look and watch but I don't even see serviceable.
He has done nothing but take the piss out of Freo since has joined us.
And still people stick up for him.
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Ross' interview the other day was interesting when talking about Jesse. Heavily paraphrasing and interpreting but what I took from it was:

1) Jesse has boatloads of talent so the hype is somewhat justified
2) He isn't going to make it

As to your post, it's called tribalism.
 
Much as it pains me to say it, but the club should move Jesse on - with all appropriate after contract care.

Draft a back up/developing tall defender or ruck
 

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Joose said:
Much as it pains me to say it, but the club should move Jesse on - with all appropriate after contract care.

Draft a back up/developing tall defender or ruck
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Why? I think it is too early for a player of his capabilities but if he doesn't play at all this year then i would call it
 
MadMundy said:
This website and social media in general shows how much today's world is so intolerant to mental health issues and the people that have them.
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I disagree agree with this. It's a broad statement. I'm sure people are very aware of mental health and the affects of not looking after yourself.

The issue some people have is that Jessie is struggling with mental health issues but it appears that he has done very little to help himself.

If he has been genuinely working through this then I wish him the best. If he choses to binge drink and take drugs then he isn't helping himself and is letting down the club. There are plenty of people in the world who go through hard times and have far less support than him.
 
Anyone know where/what he’s doing atm.?

Community work?, Travel?, resting at home watching Netflix??

Love to know what his plan is to get his head right. Hasn’t posted anything on social media for months so it’s hard to get a gage on what he’s doing.
 

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