Jezza: Yes or No

[Stiffy_18]

An athlete playing football, but better than your natural athlete.

Didn't he run some track meets over the summer?

He ran in the bay sheffield a couple of years ago.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Do I sense that at one point he was on our list . Oh well we can put him in the Paul Thomas file of late developers. In our defence at least we got rid of Michael Bratton

No-one batted an eyelid when we didn't upgrade Porplyzia - he was a very balanced player, not overly quick but a footballer.

Obviously I don't know anything because they delisted him

 

[Stiffy_18]

No-one batted an eyelid when we didn't upgrade Porplyzia - he was a very balanced player, not overly quick but a footballer.

Obviously I don't know anything because they delisted him

I think he is a bot of a late developer. Not sure why we delisted him but I am guessing because of the size because his skills, balance and footy smarts wouldn't be the reasons. He is a very good footballer. I would rather have him on the list than Skippy.

 

[macca23]

No-one batted an eyelid when we didn't upgrade Porplyzia - he was a very balanced player, not overly quick but a footballer.

Obviously I don't know anything because they delisted him

His relatives weren't surprised though as they weren't expecting him to be upgraded from the rookie list.

Their first hand comment always was that he was regarded as being too slight to make it at AFL level, and didn't find it easy to put on any weight or bulk.

If they weren't surprised, then we shouldn't be either.

By the way, I've always felt he had a fair share of ability - pity about his body mass, because he can play.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think he is a bot of a late developer. Not sure why we delisted him but I am guessing because of the size because his skills, balance and footy smarts wouldn't be the reasons. He is a very good footballer. I would rather have him on the list than Skippy.

He was a good footballer when on our rookie list -albeit he was played in a back pocket.
All the attributes you listed but would suggest he was probably too slow for a midfield role or maybe all round.

Definately a case of a good footballer who can find the ball not maybe having the right athletic skills - could he make it in the AFL - yeak I think so - if Skippy can get a game Porplyzia can definately

 

[WaynesWorld19]

His relatives weren't surprised though as they weren't expecting him to be upgraded from the rookie list.

Their first hand comment always was that he was regarded as being too slight to make it at AFL level, and didn't find it easy to put on any weight or bulk.

If they weren't surprised, then we shouldn't be either.

By the way, I've always felt he had a fair share of ability - pity about his body mass, because he can play.

Yeah Bratton was a twig but from my television armchair I thought Porplyzia had a reasonable body mass for an 18 year old

And given again Skippy (being smaller again) making it, I'm surprised by the relatives comments?

Still I would re-look at him b4 Paul Thomas

 

[Wood_Duck]

I'm no Jezza fan, but I would play him this week. He is never going to prove me wrong by being a reasonable SANFL footballer, nor will I be proven right that he has very limited football ability unless he gets a game.

 

[Cap]

Think your confusing athletic ability with footballing instincts.

I'm with WD on this - Burton is another example of athlete first, footballer second - which explains some of the decisions he makes.

Croad from Hawthorn, another example of clubs picking players on their athletic performances at draft camp over their footballing ability (can he get and use the bloody pill)

Haven't we all marvelled at Van Berlos track times rather than his footballing skills - just a sign of the times.

I can't believe i'm hearing this !!

Burton is an athelete first and yes so is Croad - but Jericho is far from an athelete first - Ok people can hate him (or dislike him) but don't let your bias get in the way of it. The fact is he is a talented footballer who has the Mark Syndrome - that is probably knows how good he is a takes it a bit easy cuase he thinks it will come to him. He is a receiver of the football and not a in and under player.

saying he is not a natural footballer is off the mark - i think you'll find sprinting came as a second to football as he is actually quick

 

[Wood_Duck]

I can't believe i'm hearing this !!

Burton is an athelete first and yes so is Croad - but Jericho is far from an athelete first - Ok people can hate him (or dislike him) but don't let your bias get in the way of it. The fact is he is a talented footballer who has the Mark Syndrome - that is probably knows how good he is a takes it a bit easy cuase he thinks it will come to him. He is a receiver of the football and not a in and under player.

saying he is not a natural footballer is off the mark - i think you'll find sprinting came as a second to football as he is actually quick

I'm a bit confused too. I get the feeling we are talking about different players. I am referring to Luke Jericho, who has an ordinary kick, a poor handball, regularly drops marks and reads the ball poorly. He can run well and has some impressive stats in the gym but is under the impression that he is a much better footballer than what he is.
You must be talking about some other bloke called Jezza.
Seriously the guy is a well built athelete and has some attributes of a reasonable footballer, but a natural footballer, what the?

 

[Cap]

I'm a bit confused too. I get the feeling we are talking about different players. I am referring to Luke Jericho, who has an ordinary kick, a poor handball, regularly drops marks and reads the ball poorly. He can run well and has some impressive stats in the gym but is under the impression that he is a much better footballer than what he is.
You must be talking about some other bloke called Jezza.
Seriously the guy is a well built athelete and has some attributes of a reasonable footballer, but a natural footballer, what the?

anyone got the stats from the weekend ? i think he took 7 marks kicked 5.3 got in the best players ? gets used as a stop gap by Westies and still mangesd to make the best players ? maybe your talking about the wrong guy

 

[Wood_Duck]

anyone got the stats from the weekend ? i think he took 7 marks kicked 5.3 got in the best players ? gets used as a stop gap by Westies and still mangesd to make the best players ? maybe your talking about the wrong guy

If thats what it takes to earn the accolade of being a "natural footballer", then you are indeed right and I stand corrected.
Indeed there are many more naturals out there than I would have imagined in my wildest dreams.

 

[Cap]

If thats what it takes to earn the accolade of being a "natural footballer", then you are indeed right and I stand corrected.
Indeed there are many more naturals out there than I would have imagined in my wildest dreams.

hey i am picking out 1 game as some back up here - look at the stats he has in his AFL games v the some of your "natural talents" he does quite we IMHO
but i suppose thats just me - yes he has his problems but being a natural footballer isnt one of them (i don't consider not being and in and under player a reason for someone not being a natural)

personally i think you are mixing Jericho and Smith up !! but i'll agree to disagree with you WD !!

 

[Wood_Duck]

hey i am picking out 1 game as some back up here - look at the stats he has in his AFL games v the some of your "natural talents" he does quite we IMHO
but i suppose thats just me - yes he has his problems but being a natural footballer isnt one of them (i don't consider not being and in and under player a reason for someone not being a natural)

personally i think you are mixing Jericho and Smith up !! but i'll agree to disagree with you WD !!

Fair enough. I think we are obviously using different criteria, hence the difference of opinion. Not that I wish to drag this out any longer, I'll give you a list of a few of my natural footballers. Note they are not all highly skilled, but understood the game better than most.

Ricciutto, Bickley, Liptak, Connell, A.Jarman, D.Jarman, Caven, Modra, Bassett, Mcleod, Van Berlo, Bryce Gibbs to name just a few.

To me a natural footballer plays football on instinct rather than physical skill. Its more a mental thing than physical. Just what I reckon anyway. I'm probably wrong.

 

[Cap]

Fair enough. I think we are obviously using different criteria, hence the difference of opinion. Not that I wish to drag this out any longer, I'll give you a list of a few of my natural footballers. Note they are not all highly skilled, but understood the game better than most.

Ricciutto, Bickley, Liptak, Connell, A.Jarman, D.Jarman, Caven, Modra, Bassett, Mcleod, Van Berlo, Bryce Gibbs to name just a few.

To me a natural footballer plays football on instinct rather than physical skill. Its more a mental thing than physical. Just what I reckon anyway. I'm probably wrong.

I dont really want to take it any further - because what your doing is making in purely subjective, stats can't prove anything about how instictive a player is its an opinion - and IMO Jericho is a natural footballer (of course not as talented as D Jarman but more than say Mcgregor)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I can't believe i'm hearing this !!

Burton is an athelete first and yes so is Croad - but Jericho is far from an athelete first - Ok people can hate him (or dislike him) but don't let your bias get in the way of it. The fact is he is a talented footballer who has the Mark Syndrome - that is probably knows how good he is a takes it a bit easy cuase he thinks it will come to him. He is a receiver of the football and not a in and under player.

saying he is not a natural footballer is off the mark - i think you'll find sprinting came as a second to football as he is actually quick

Don't mis-intepret my comments I like Jericho, like his arrogance (supposedly) and think he has a quality that could make him a good footballer.

But I stand with my view and that is athlete first footballer second, but potentially a good player for us.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

To me a natural footballer plays football on instinct rather than physical skill. Its more a mental thing than physical. Just what I reckon anyway. I'm probably wrong.

Your not wrong - in fact I think you capture the differences very well.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I am a bit of a Jezza fan but I don't think he is a natural footballer. He is a good prospect that can develop into a very good footballer but he is not a natural footballer.

Natural footballer is someone like Hentschel. Neither Jezza or Hentschel are hard at it, in and under, pack-splitting type players but one is a natural footballer the other one isn't.

I think you can still be a good player if you are not a natural footballer if you have other aspects going for you. Jericho clearly does.

BTW, Wood_Duck, Jericho is a very good kick. He might have an unusual kicking style and he might hold the ball a bit differently than others but he is a pretty good and penetrating kick.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I am a bit of a Jezza fan but I don't think he is a natural footballer. He is a good prospect that can develop into a very good footballer but he is not a natural footballer.

Natural footballer is someone like Hentschel. Neither Jezza or Hentschel are hard at it, in and under, pack-splitting type players but one is a natural footballer the other one isn't.

I think you can still be a good player if you are not a natural footballer if you have other aspects going for you. Jericho clearly does.

BTW, Wood_Duck, Jericho is a very good kick. He might have an unusual kicking style and he might hold the ball a bit differently than others but he is a pretty good and penetrating kick.

Good point of view - well stated

 

[Lidge]

We won't drop Welsh. While he is off the boil a bit he is still our best forward and leading goal kicker with 11 goals. Despite his poorish form he is still good for a goal or 2 and he might fire against his old club.

From an outsider looking in...

If Welsh is your best forward - you have serious problems. If a Crows supporter I'd be wanting a youngster blooded, as you aint going to win or challenge for a flag anytime soon with a forward line built around Welsh (or Stevens).

But...as you're off to decent start to the season and still a chance of playing finals footy, I very much doubt your coach will be too focussed on rebuilding until/unless finals footy are out of reach.


Re: this week. IMO - game will be won or lost in the midfield. Our defence has been very good this year. We have a tough forward line for your guys to match up on (3 talls & half a dozen medium/small crumbers who can take a mark & capable of kicking multiple goals). IMO, if North win the clearances and neutralise McLeod & Ricciuto we should win.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I liked him when he first came in, did a lot of running around and these type of players are hard to match up on. Attacking wise he is fine, but defensively he sucks.

Good kick and knows where the goals (and girls) are. Yes for me.

 

[Wood_Duck]

BTW, Wood_Duck, Jericho is a very good kick. He might have an unusual kicking style and he might hold the ball a bit differently than others but he is a pretty good and penetrating kick.

I hear you Stiff, but his disposal in general lacks a bit of precision, wouldnt you say? He misses a few fairly simple goals at times and I seem to recall a few passes to players going astray also. In fact he should fit into our side pretty well at the moment.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I hear you Stiff, but his disposal in general lacks a bit of precision, wouldnt you say? He misses a few fairly simple goals at times and I seem to recall a few passes to players going astray also. In fact he should fit into our side pretty well at the moment.

Yes his passes sometimes go astray but I don't think its as simple as you think it is. I think most of those kicks that go astray are caused by either

a) he is under pressure and he panics but I think thats expected from inexperienced AFL player. Hentschel was panicing a lot in his first few games and he is a natural footballer. I expect this to improve as he matures and gets more experience.

OR

b) His decision making under pressure is not great. Again partly due to him not being a natural footbaler and partly due to his inexperience and lack of maturity.

Sure he spray a few but anyone that can kick a goal from 55m off one step going in almost post high cannot be labeled as a crap kick. He did that against Sturt.

I understand what you are saying and some of your reservations on him are warranted BUT I think his short comings are not as "simple" as people make them out to be. Some say he is crap footballer because he is soft. What a load of rubbish. He is just a receiver rather that in and under type. Nick Stevens is a pretty good footballer but he is soft

I think people have given up on him too early. I find it interesting that some people here rate Hentschel but don't rate Jericho because he is soft. Well Hentchel is soft as well the only difference is that Hentschel is a natural footballer and Jezza is not BUT that doesn't mean that Jericho can't be a good player. If his strengths are utilised and his deficiencies minimized by playing him in certain positions and developing his skills for that role, then he could be a VERY good footballer and a match winner

 

[Wood_Duck]

Yes his passes sometimes go astray but I don't think its as simple as you think it is. I think most of those kicks that go astray are caused by either

a) he is under pressure and he panics but I think thats expected from inexperienced AFL player. Hentschel was panicing a lot in his first few games and he is a natural footballer. I expect this to improve as he matures and gets more experience.

OR

b) His decision making under pressure is not great. Again partly due to him not being a natural footbaler and partly due to his inexperience and lack of maturity.

Sure he spray a few but anyone that can kick a goal from 55m off one step going in almost post high cannot be labeled as a crap kick. He did that against Sturt.

I understand what you are saying and some of your reservations on him are warranted BUT I think his short comings are not as "simple" as people make them out to be. Some say he is crap footballer because he is soft. What a load of rubbish. He is just a receiver rather that in and under type. Nick Stevens is a pretty good footballer but he is soft

I think people have given up on him too early. I find it interesting that some people here rate Hentschel but don't rate Jericho because he is soft. Well Hentchel is soft as well the only difference is that Hentschel is a natural footballer and Jezza is not BUT that doesn't mean that Jericho can't be a good player. If his strengths are utilised and his deficiencies minimized by playing him in certain positions and developing his skills for that role, then he could be a VERY good footballer and a match winner

Dude, I hope your right, I really do. It will give me great pleasure to publicly apologise to the lad on this board.

 

[AdelaideFan]

I hear you Stiff, but his disposal in general lacks a bit of precision, wouldnt you say? He misses a few fairly simple goals at times and I seem to recall a few passes to players going astray also. In fact he should fit into our side pretty well at the moment.

Weren't you praising burtons skills some time ago??????

 

[Wood_Duck]

Weren't you praising burtons skills some time ago??????

Not exactly. If what you are referring to is the recent thread about giving the bird the boot, I was merely making a case for Burton being in our best 22. I dont think I actually stated that I thought he had great skills. In fact I'm nearly positive I didnt, given that I dont think he has.