Jobless uni students

[fryingpan]

Personally, I find them to be the most irritating, naive & stupid people on this planet. I find it hilarious that unemployed uni students use "I'm a uni student" as their reason for not working.

Example 1: My brother is a 24 year old uni student, had one job in his life when he was 18 doing some shitty little job for 10 hours a week. Apart from that, never been employed. Whenever I talk to him he is always celebrating something to do with uni -celebrating the start of uni holidays, celebrating end of exams, celebrating the end of a placement, the list goes on. He talks to me about how he's had a hard & stressful day at uni - even though he gets to uni at 9 and finishes at 1 two or three times a week. He carries on about how holidays can't come soon enough and that he "needs a break" And when I've asked him why he doesn't work he says "I'm at uni" yet the latest I've ever known him to finish is 4pm, and is never at uni 5 days a week. Nights are always free as well.

Example 2: A friend who is 20 years old, never been employed. When he can be stuffed, wakes up and stumbles into uni, finishes anywhere between 12-2pm, carries on about how hard he works, even though a lot of the time he just sleeps in and doesn't go to lectures.

What I can't stand is talking to these kind of people who really haven't even stepped foot in the real world yet - it's basically like they're still at school. It pisses me off when people who are unemployed & at uni talk about how difficult and stressful their 16 hour week has been, whereas I've just come having worked over half of what they do in an entire week!

Boy oh boy are they going to get a rude shock when they actually have to get up early and come home late - and only have 4 weeks holidays throughout the entire year! (a bit like teachers - but at least they work)

What are everyone's thoughts? Is it just me or are these people idiots? Are there any unemployed uni students here? If so why don't you work?

 

[mdc]

I'm currently an "unemployed" uni student (give or take). I've also worked full time during holidays or whatever earlier in life.

Here's what you're missing: For the majority of people working full-time, you can switch off when you go home. While uni can definitely be cruisy for chunks of time, when you have a bunch of stuff all due at once, and it's stuff you're just learning for the first time, there's usually a fair bit of pressure involved.

I've had exam periods where I've slept a total of 7 hours through 4 nights. Now, ideally I (and others) would have study done well in advance, but the reality is that most don't. So yes, while unemployed uni students can be lazy, a lot also have an ability to work like crazy under pressure, something that the majority working full-time won't experience.

Also, depending on your choice of course, number of subjects and desired marks, you can very easily be looking at an effective workload of at least 50 hours a week (i.e. lectures + private study).

 

[Damon_3388]

I'm an unemployed uni student, but not by choice. I'd love to have a job, and apply for nearly everything going in terms of part-time work, but can't seem to get anything for some reason

 

[AG]

Uni is harder than work though. I just finished my Commerce degree and I did one of those graduate spots over the summer. Uni requires constant studying if you want to get good marks. You need to be much more focused for Uni as opposed to a job. The job just requires applying what you have learnt which is basically repetition, which is easy.
I understand your problems if they are slobs and will probably fail Uni but if they are working hard and will get really good grades then I'd say they are working just as hard as people who are employed.

 

[sear]

Im a full time uni student but i also work five days a weeks so Im definitly not the type you described, and yeah they do annoy me a fair bit. But to be fair, contact hours dont usually equal the amount of work required, majority of my work is done at home, readings/essays etc. But it still annoys me particularly when arts students use this excuse, yeah you have essays and stuff to do, but so does everyone else, it doesnt mean you cant work one day a week.

I guess what I'm saying is that its not fair to expect someone to work heaps while at uni but yeah those damn hippies who pretend like they're the only ones with homework annoy me too.

 

[beez]

I'm an unemployed uni student, but not by choice. I'd love to have a job, and apply for nearly everything going in terms of part-time work, but can't seem to get anything for some reason

Honestly, if you can't get a job you're being too picky, or just a complete moron.

 

[fryingpan]

Here's what you're missing: For the majority of people working full-time, you can switch off when you go home. While uni can definitely be cruisy for chunks of time, when you have a bunch of stuff all due at once, and it's stuff you're just learning for the first time, there's usually a fair bit of pressure involved.

The majority of full time workers can just switch off can they? Where'd you pull that figure from? You don't need to talk about pressure and things being due - I'm constantly under pressure working 40 hours+ a week and full time workers need to work on certain assignments as well and also have due dates!

I've had exam periods where I've slept a total of 7 hours through 4 nights. Now, ideally I (and others) would have study done well in advance, but the reality is that most don't. So yes, while unemployed uni students can be lazy, a lot also have an ability to work like crazy under pressure, something that the majority working full-time won't experience.

lol what? Again the "majority" ... what makes you think full time workers aren't under pressure and can't "work like crazy" when put under that pressure? Honestly, I've never heard a more incorrect comment on bigfooty.

Also, depending on your choice of course, number of subjects and desired marks, you can very easily be looking at an effective workload of at least 50 hours a week (i.e. lectures + private study).

Well 50 hours would be the absolute maximum but it's still cruisy - if you don't have lectures you can wake up when you want, go to bed when you want, take breaks when you want, don't have a boss to report to. Not only that but you can "work" in the comfort of your own home and don't have to put up with the hassel of getting to your destination.

 

[fryingpan]

You need to be much more focused for Uni as opposed to a job. The job just requires applying what you have learnt which is basically repetition, which is easy.

Do you or have you worked full time?

It's not all that black and white. Learn the job & put it into practice = easy. If you think it's that simple then I think you'll get a rude shock when you actually are employed full time and see that your job incorporates much more than what you've said.

 

[Fender]

What's your actual point apart from being annoyed at not having the uni lifestyle? Many more groups are worthy of having a whingy rant written about them than uni students.

 

[Damon_3388]

Honestly, if you can't get a job you're being too picky, or just a complete moron.

I can honestly say I'm neither. I'm polite, well-presented, intelligent, punctual and can work independently (don't need to be told what to do). Without talking myself up too much, I think I'd be an employer's dream, and in the few jobs I have had (in which the term of the employment contract ended, and they didn't have a permanent position for me to continue in, meaning they couldn't keep me on), I've been told that I'm a great employee.

There are people at my supermarket who can't even add up change, yet I can't even get a job there. It infuriates me no end, trust me. I'm desperate for a job, and don't care what it is really (within reason, obviously). I'm not someone who thinks working at a supermarket or anything like that is 'beneath me' at 21 years old - I'm not that full of my own importance. I just want some more money

 

[fryingpan]

Im a full time uni student but i also work five days a weeks so Im definitly not the type you described, and yeah they do annoy me a fair bit. But to be fair, contact hours dont usually equal the amount of work required, majority of my work is done at home, readings/essays etc. But it still annoys me particularly when arts students use this excuse, yeah you have essays and stuff to do, but so does everyone else, it doesnt mean you cant work one day a week.

Yeah I don't expect any uni student to work & study full time (although one that does and he is just a freak) but when you've got uni students getting benefits from centrelink when they're only at uni 10-15 hours a week and their excuse for not working is because they're at uni - it just shits me, like my brother will not be able to handle full time work, he's never tasted it and thinks it will be a breeze and he'll just expect holidays to come at some point. It'll be a very long struggle for him to get conditioned to working 8.30-5 Mon-Fri

 

[AG]

Do you or have you worked full time?

It's not all that black and white. Learn the job & put it into practice = easy. If you think it's that simple then I think you'll get a rude shock when you actually are employed full time and see that your job incorporates much more than what you've said.

I'm 22, just finished my Commerce degree and my only full time work has been for a summer period at an Accounting firm. Apart from that my jobs have been the normal casual uni jobs like working at a car detailer, surf shop etc.
I'm going on what I've been told. Compared to Uni, working is easier. It depends on what profession, working conditions etc. Even little things like travelling time to work can have an influence on stress levels.
I suppose it depends on profession as well. Accounting is fairly straightforward, whereas Finance is a lot more stressful. Working for yourself is easier (once you have clients), compared to working for a company. This is what I've been told but it sounds like your current working conditions are very stressful or maybe I have just been given crap information.

 

[fryingpan]

What's your actual point apart from being annoyed at not having the uni lifestyle? Many more groups are worthy of having a whingy rant written about them than uni students.

Haha yeah all I hear is how good the "uni lifestyle" is .. yeah you get holidays all the time and can do as you please but most uni students I know are broke. So how do you enjoy this so called awesome lifestyle when your bank balance is $0 ?

 

[mdc]

The majority of full time workers can just switch off can they? Where'd you pull that figure from? You don't need to talk about pressure and things being due - I'm constantly under pressure working 40 hours+ a week and full time workers need to work on certain assignments as well and also have due dates!

Again, I've worked full time. I'm not just theorising here. Have you studied full time? If so, what did you study?

Sure, someone working in IB or a big law firm is under a shitload more pressure than I am. But they're in the minority. A lot of the guys I went to uni with are now employed full-time, and their collective sentiment is basically "thank god I don't have to do uni any more".

lol what? Again the "majority" ... what makes you think full time workers aren't under pressure and can't "work like crazy" when put under that pressure? Honestly, I've never heard a more incorrect comment on bigfooty.

There's a difference between studying hard and working hard. You seem not to be able to grasp that difference. I could, for example, do people's tax returns for 10 hours straight without having to use my brain once. The same is not true of actually learning new material.

Well 50 hours would be the absolute maximum but it's still cruisy - if you don't have lectures you can wake up when you want, go to bed when you want, take breaks when you want, don't have a boss to report to. Not only that but you can "work" in the comfort of your own home and don't have to put up with the hassel of getting to your destination.

50 hours is not the max. Like I said, depends on what grades you want and what you're studying (and obviously how talented you are).

Most commerce stuff and a lot of arts is a bludge (unless you want to do really well). Other stuff, not so much.

As for working in the comfort of your home, I think you'll find most people do have to go to uni. I travelled over an hour each way my first 3 years, 5 days a week, for example.

 

[fryingpan]

I'm 22, just finished my Commerce degree and my only full time work has been for a summer period at an Accounting firm. Apart from that my jobs have been the normal casual uni jobs like working at a car detailer, surf shop etc.

Yeah and that's fair enough, at least you've worked.

I'm going on what I've been told. Compared to Uni, working is easier. It depends on what profession, working conditions etc. Even little things like travelling time to work can have an influence on stress levels.
I suppose it depends on profession as well. Accounting is fairly straightforward, whereas Finance is a lot more stressful.

I really disagree that working is easier than uni. The amount of holidays you get, the hours you're actually required at uni & the ability to basically choose whether you want to go into uni or not are huge factors.

Accounting is anything but straightforward - my family owns an accounting firm and it is by no means straightforward, it's almost an insult!

This is what I've been told but it sounds like your current working conditions are very stressful or maybe I have just been given crap information.

Well I have actually complained about my working conditions on here and yeah I'm constantly under pressure & stressed which is why in my opinion work is far more difficult than uni - yes there are the full time jobs where you just sit & answer phones all day but those jobs are the minority. I think you'd find that the majority of full time workers would laugh in your face if you said uni was harder than working full time to be completely honest.

 

[Ledger]

I can honestly say I'm neither. I'm polite, well-presented, intelligent, punctual and can work independently (don't need to be told what to do). Without talking myself up too much, I think I'd be an employer's dream, and in the few jobs I have had (in which the term of the employment contract ended, and they didn't have a permanent position for me to continue in, meaning they couldn't keep me on), I've been told that I'm a great employee.

There are people at my supermarket who can't even add up change, yet I can't even get a job there. It infuriates me no end, trust me. I'm desperate for a job, and don't care what it is really (within reason, obviously). I'm not someone who thinks working at a supermarket or anything like that is 'beneath me' at 21 years old - I'm not that full of my own importance. I just want some more money

Get your RSA and Gaming license, go to any pub nearby and apply. Providing your available to work weekends and night shifts, you shouldn't have an issue getting work.

 

[Damon_3388]

Get your RSA and Gaming license, go to any pub nearby and apply. Providing your available to work weekends and night shifts, you shouldn't have an issue getting work.

Sounds like an idea. I'm assuming there's some sort of training course required - about how much does that usually cost?

 

[Ledger]

Not too sure, have a look here at some of the providers in SA:

http://www.olgc.sa.gov.au/general/Applications/PDFLodgementGuides/IS_RegisteredTrainingOrganisations_LG.pdf

Contact them, don't think it's too expensive - pays itself off once you get a job.

 

[omit]

Sounds like an idea. I'm assuming there's some sort of training course required - about how much does that usually cost?

$130 for RSA and RSG ($65 each) at the vic bar school

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Sounds like an idea. I'm assuming there's some sort of training course required - about how much does that usually cost?

Less than a hundred from what I recall.

Once again, FP manages to reduce a complex issue down to absurdities.

mdc is spot on when he says the spikes in pressure right around essay/exam time at uni is enormous and challenging, but thats not to say there are certain spikes in FT jobs also.

 

[Damon_3388]

Cheers for those tips re: the bar/gaming work. I'll definitely look into it

 

[blues4flag]

Don't sounds like you've ever been at uni, fryingpan.

While some courses are easier than others, it ain't a breeze.

Monday: 9-2pm
Tuesday: 11-3pm
Wednesday: 10-4pm
Thursday: 9-5pm
Friday: 9-11am

Plus the 40-50 minutes it takes to arrive and another 40-50 minutes back home. Engineering isn't easy, particularly if you want to do well.

Don't have the desire or hours in the day to work just yet. I'm not a big spender and parents + Centrelink will do me fine for the time being.

 

[rofltown]

can't find time in my 12 hour week to work
there would be no time for xbox and drinking
money comes from government anyways..... why would i get a job? haha

 

[Macca19]

When I moved to the country last year I waited till the end of 2nd semester before finding a job...so had abiut 5 months off work. Couldnt stand it by the end of it.

It isnt hard to find a job to fit in with uni work.

 

[peternorth]

uni's about parties, meeting people, drinking, sleeping with many persons.