Joe Daniher

[LongBomb]

Hahaha yes! I knew this would happen.

Haha yes!!!

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Tell that lad who got banned for roids at 17 in perth think he may have played for east freo??

Yeah, but that wasn't a club endorsed program.

I can't see how they could give JD an IN given he was a minor and basically followed all the senior list and got conned by a quack. If that is what happened. Hope not.

 

[IanW]

except he wasnt on the list in 2011/12

Note mxett is being as truthful as he usually is, when he forgets to mention that Daniher was actually training with Essendon.

"I am in touch with them weekly and I get the chance to go down and do weights training under the supervision of the staff there."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ract-from-sydney/story-e6freck3-1226315531939

 

[branedotorg]

Do you think every newsworthy sports issue is allowed to go to print--especially in Victoria?
Why do you think the Vic courts issue more suppression orders than any in the country?
When we get a government that brings an end to the cover up of issues that deserve to be aired, we'll have a government we can trust and they'll be worth voting for.

Don't know about sports media but there's even more news stories that stop at the friendly chat with the editor / next exclusive and don't ever get near the courts.

On topic: glad to hear he's not provisionally suspended. including a minor who hadn't even been drafted would been order of magnitude worse than the current mess.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

It's 50/50 for mine.

Hopefully Ralph wasn't fed a line.

 

[Roddy27]

Roddy27 what do you reckon the chances are that Joe was in the program?

Logically - they are extremely high.

He was not officially on the list in 2012, but he definitely spent a lot of time at the club training, that much is fact.

At the end of the day - if he was called to give evidence and received a SCN then its not really a debate is it? We know many players gave evidence, JD is supposedly one, that doesn't mean he has received a SCN however. Simple maths can deduce that - however, we will only ever definitively know the truth if the EFC decide to be transparent or if the punishments handed out see a number of players miss multiple weeks. Even then - the PR spin may try to mitigate the open debate on that through 'injury lists'. So - if he was - i'd hope they got a special wack as a club for allowing a 17yr old to partake in anything like that.

The fact they haven't put that part of it to bed concerns me. Joe was a top underage player, a nice kid, watched him dominate for vic metro and he was a real team player. It was a really great comp that year too - he, in my opinion, doesn't deserve to be embroiled as he was just a kid. He should have been protected. It concerns me greatly that it is a possibility.

 

[becalm]

Pretty obvious why Essendon supporters will want this thread removed. But I reckon everyone else who has been discussing in other threads the possibilty that Joe, despite not being on the official team list in 2012, was in fact part of the peptide program whilst underage will see this as relevant. His parents were seen at the information meetings and his father outspoken in the media early on (Someone will post the link I am sure). Whilst RObbo named names in his paper, surely speculation about Joes involvement is relevant now as Essendon are working overtime to protect someone with their claims of anonymity being so important.

Good question.

 

[becalm]

Hahaha yes! I knew this would happen.

Good onya mum Tip Tops the one.

 

[the conch]

The 18 year olds at the time are playing though - Kavanagh, Merrett, O'Brien, and Dalgleish are not provisionally suspended. It's unlikely they would choose not to inject the first year players but would inject the 17 year old. Zach Merrett is also not playing; do you think he's provisionally suspended? I'm not sure what suspicious injury setbacks you're referring to either. It just looks like you badly want to believe the worst.

Yea, but why are these players playing now ? ... Against expectations?
It's classic diversionary spin tactic to dilute the real bad news story of "general soreness". what are they worried about?

 

[neutralguy]

I agree.

So how about the word of Daniher's mother. Good enough?

Tin foil hat on " what if when she said he wasn't involved with the drug injections she meant she never signed consent forms for her under age son to be injected with drugs" Tin foil hat off.

 

[Big Fresh]

Yea, but why are these players playing now ? ... Against expectations?
It's classic diversionary spin tactic to dilute the real bad news story of "general soreness". what are they worried about?

Sorry I'm not totally sure what you're asking.

 

[the conch]

Is March too early for the Essendon flu?

Sheedy's bringin down some Marchian Flu. (As in Martian)

 

[GreatBradScott]

Some good points by both sides. I reckon if he misses the second game, then it's time to get skeptical

 

[becalm]

Will he be sore next round too?

That will be interesting.

 

[becalm]

those 4 players requested to play. So they were allowed to.

So they are not worried about confidentiality. So why all this carry on about confidentiality.

 

[Tiger2709]

oh right, but I thought Dank wasn't rogue and it was the Hird mastermind?

You're off message mate.

Im thinking Bonny and Clyde orThelma and Louise maybe, I can see Dank at the wheel of a convertible Chevy driving of in the sunset with James in the passenger seat his flowing locks blowing in the wind.

 

[Tiger2709]

Would you PLEASE change your avatar. Evertime I see it I get the feeling you may do harm to youself. What is the point of it.

I just keep thinking for Christs sake pull the damn trigger, I then get the strange urge to head to a pub for a Parmy.

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

I really can't wait to see Joe play next week and see what excuse you come up with.

No excuses, but will feel much better if he does play.
Whilst the rest of the saga has been entertaining in a twisted kind of way - the thought of a minor being roped into uncontrolled supplement trials is chilling.

The ramifications would go well beyond a support staffer, a club golden-boy, 34 players, an ex-CEO, a lazy doctor and one club.

 

[yaco55]

Rookie draft for 2012 was held in December 2011.



It wasn't established, it was speculated that common sense suggested they weren't.



These 4 players being picked makes it less likely that Daniher was involved (not that we needed any more evidence).

However ... we were told that 25 players were boycotting to protect the identity of 17. Now we have 21 boycotting to protect 17.

Robbo named 9 players. We have 4 picked in this game. We are now down to 8 of 12 remaining players to work through to figure out who was charged.

4 of these guys are in the clear.

Brent Stanton
Jason Winderlich
David Zaharakis
Courtney Dempsey
Jake Carlisle
David Myers
Ariel Steinberg
Cale Hooker
Dustin Fletcher
Travis Colyer
Ben Howlett
Mark Baguley

I'll give you 2 players - Winderlich and Baguley - Unsure about the other two.

 

[yaco55]

Forgive us footy fans for not accepting everything the Essendon Football Club tells us as gospel these days.

Strange post - EFC have said nothing about this matter - Nothing to read here.

 

[satadaynitefeva]

I just keep thinking for Christs sake pull the damn trigger, I then get the strange urge to head to a pub for a Parmy.

My first post. Been an avid reader for months. My sort of humour. Go Tiges this year mate

 

[yaco55]

Who knows. I can't fathom how you ask a guy who wasn't in the program whether he was involved in the program and what he knew of it, and it takes over 4 hours to get answers. Maybe that's just me, but something smells.

Do I trust a damn thing that comes out of Essendon and the AFL? No.

Just look at the orchestrated move to get Sheedy back, and the paying off of GWS. AFL hands all over it.

What's your problem with Sheedy coming back to EFC ? - Think some are far too involved in who EFC chooses to employ.

 

[yaco55]

A 12 page thread on JD - I hope that JD is rested again for NAB Round 2 - That will get another 30 pages or so.

 

[yaco55]

When she said he was interviewed by WADA? A little bit sketchy on what is going on, I would have said.

Do you think ASADA interviewed Kavanagh and O'Brien and Dalgleish and J.Merrett ?

Going by your assertion about JD these guys must have got IN's.

 

[yaco55]

Logically - they are extremely high.

He was not officially on the list in 2012, but he definitely spent a lot of time at the club training, that much is fact.

At the end of the day - if he was called to give evidence and received a SCN then its not really a debate is it? We know many players gave evidence, JD is supposedly one, that doesn't mean he has received a SCN however. Simple maths can deduce that - however, we will only ever definitively know the truth if the EFC decide to be transparent or if the punishments handed out see a number of players miss multiple weeks. Even then - the PR spin may try to mitigate the open debate on that through 'injury lists'. So - if he was - i'd hope they got a special wack as a club for allowing a 17yr old to partake in anything like that.

The fact they haven't put that part of it to bed concerns me. Joe was a top underage player, a nice kid, watched him dominate for vic metro and he was a real team player. It was a really great comp that year too - he, in my opinion, doesn't deserve to be embroiled as he was just a kid. He should have been protected. It concerns me greatly that it is a possibility.

All players gave evidence - Not 34 - All players - Except for the two players who refused to be interviewed.