John Mcarthy's 2009

[maxwellbomb]

Just curious to see what you guys think about the amount of games he will get this year in the home and away season. I was looking at the sportsbet rising star betting and hes paying $67 which i think is good odds if he plays most games

 

[PieLebo87]

I'm not so confident about J-Mac this year, well not in the early stages anyway. He has been hampered all pre-season with injuries here and there, so he will struggle a bit this season. Similiar to last year, expect to see him at full-force come the latter stages of the H&A games.

Won't NOT do anything, but don't expect the world of him in '09. '10 is a different matter...

 

[Snag Breac]

I'm not so confident about J-Mac this year, well not in the early stages anyway. He has been hampered all pre-season with injuries here and there, so he will struggle a bit this season. Similiar to last year, expect to see him at full-force come the latter stages of the H&A games.

Won't NOT do anything, but don't expect the world of him in '09. '10 is a different matter...

When and how was he injured? I've got him in my Supercoach team. Might have to show him the door. He was quite expensive for kid too.

 

[shawthing09]

I think this is fairly different to last year. He has had on going problems with o.p where as this was a fairly minor ( as minor as these things can be) athroscope to remove a sist behind his knee.

I am a huge fan of the kid and think his clearly in the best 22 and will play every game his fit to play. I would get on him at $67

 

[Dylz48]

I'd say he won't play first round because of his surgery and then it all depends on how he plays and how players inside the 22 are preforming

 

[Ramere]

Just curious to see what you guys think about the amount of games he will get this year in the home and away season. I was looking at the sportsbet rising star betting and hes paying $67 which i think is good odds if he plays most games

Sign up with Betstar, they have him at $101.

https://www.betstar.com.au/

 

[Lockyer24]

His first outing in the pre-season might give a good guide where he is at this year. I don't have big expectations from them in year 2 especially if injury has got him.

 

[RustyBeams]

Another year finding his feet in the big league. I wouldn't expect any more than 4-6 games. Will be pushing the mids for a spot from next year on.

 

[King Woodie]

Another year finding his feet in the big league. I wouldn't expect any more than 4-6 games. Will be pushing the mids for a spot from next year on.

I would expect more than that. He played around that many games last year, and anything less and he hasn't come on at all, especially given Burns' retirement.

I would expect at least 12-15 games from him (injury permitting). If he plays more than 10 games in the ressies this year, it will be very disappointing.

 

[Mansons Haircut]

I know what you mean about going forward but i wouldn't rate this solely on AFL games played. From memory John didn't really "demand" a place last year, i cant remember a VFL BOG or a huge possession game. Came in after the "incident" when we also had injuries. Not knocking him he did very well, deserved to hold the spot once in & i am really really excited by him. However, as a flanker/midfielder he has Didak/Shaw/Johnson who all didn't play while he was in firsts chasing his spot now. Wellingham & Cook wont to give it away either. Competition will fierce as also Stanley / Barham/Sidebottom/Beams which is great.

If our midfield fires & we are winning will be hard for him to break in so i'll be happy if he ups the ante in VFL with some BOG's & really puts pressure on those ahead of him.

NB: I rate him very very highly above is not a criticism i just have lower minimum expectations in 09 - wont complain or be suprised if he exceeds them.

 

[shawthing09]

He didn't really do a pre-season and wasn't right till a few games (4-6) into the vfl season IIRC. So that explains why he didn't stand out in pre-season like the two new guys. As for his VFL form he had a B.O.G about second or third game in which is a fairly impressive sign. He wasn't nearly as consistant or dominate but he was certainly impressive at VFL level.

 

[Snag Breac]

Does anyone know how he's going?

 

[bucksisbest]

Think some of you are overstating his injury , just had a cyst removed and missed a little bit of training. Highly rated by the football staff , and I thought he was close to the best out there , particularly in the second half of the intra club match.

 

[kevind]

I know what you mean about going forward but i wouldn't rate this solely on AFL games played. From memory John didn't really "demand" a place last year, i cant remember a VFL BOG or a huge possession game. Came in after the "incident" when we also had injuries. Not knocking him he did very well, deserved to hold the spot once in & i am really really excited by him. However, as a flanker/midfielder he has Didak/Shaw/Johnson who all didn't play while he was in firsts chasing his spot now. Wellingham & Cook wont to give it away either. Competition will fierce as also Stanley / Barham/Sidebottom/Beams which is great.

If our midfield fires & we are winning will be hard for him to break in so i'll be happy if he ups the ante in VFL with some BOG's & really puts pressure on those ahead of him.

NB: I rate him very very highly above is not a criticism i just have lower minimum expectations in 09 - wont complain or be suprised if he exceeds them.

He is a class above Wellingham, Cook, Stanley and Barham. I don't think he will be competing with Shaw or Didak either. Johnson, maybe. As for Beams and Sidebottom, only very brave men or fools would be guessing their impact in '09.

 

[lenny&carl]

My expectations are pretty high. I thought he was an asset in each of his games last year, (rather than just a youth-experiment.)

I've not yet seen what he's bad at.

 

[Mansons Haircut]

He is a class above Wellingham, Cook, Stanley and Barham. I don't think he will be competing with Shaw or Didak either. Johnson, maybe. As for Beams and Sidebottom, only very brave men or fools would be guessing their impact in '09.

I agree he has class over those mentioned & first year players can never be more than a bonus. My main point is he hasn't established a spot in the 22 yet. I want to see him beat the door down & take someones spot not replace an injured or suspended player.
I dont think he would have played last year if Didak & Shaw weren't suspended (was his first year so thats no criticism) so their return plus return to form of Johnson (so far) does increase competition, not for a direct spot but it's still 3 players who will be squeezed out. If you take the team from last years finals & put those 3 in would JMac have a spot? Maybe but no sure thing.

I'm a huge wrap for him but personally i'll be happy with a good VFL year in the midfield & breakout in 2010. No doubt has potential to be a long term Pies player, will be delighted if 2009 is his year.

 

[mdc]

If you take the team from last years finals & put those 3 in would JMac have a spot? Maybe but no sure thing.

Given we've lost Rhyce Shaw, Burns and Wakelin, and also had Goldsack, Cox, Cook and Dawes playing, I don't think McCarthy will have any problem slotting back in if fit.

 

[HFF]

He is a class above Wellingham, Cook, Stanley and Barham. I don't think he will be competing with Shaw or Didak either. Johnson, maybe. As for Beams and Sidebottom, only very brave men or fools would be guessing their impact in '09.

Tough call that one.

I definitely think Wellingham oozes class and is very close to exploding in 2009.

J-Mac probably possess more class than Cook but Cooky won't give it up that easy and if last year's form was anything to go by he will be in our team or thereabouts in 2009.

Barham is going to become something special. He really is a special talent. May not be fully ready for 2009 but 2010 and onwards watchout.

Stanley is the only one who is in trouble IMO. All of these players are or will be ahead of him at season's end. J-Mac has him covered easily.

So I don't necessarily think J-Mac is a class above them, yet. He definitely looms as a long term talent and probably at the end of the day is good enough to be in our best 22.

However, we all know it is all down to form. Those in form will play.

 

[PieLebo87]

Tough call that one.

I definitely think Wellingham oozes class and is very close to exploding in 2009.

J-Mac probably possess more class than Cook but Cooky won't give it up that easy and if last year's form was anything to go by he will be in our team or thereabouts in 2009.

Barham is going to become something special. He really is a special talent. May not be fully ready for 2009 but 2010 and onwards watchout.

Stanley is the only one who is in trouble IMO. All of these players are or will be ahead of him at season's end. J-Mac has him covered easily.

So I don't necessarily think J-Mac is a class above them, yet. He definitely looms as a long term talent and probably at the end of the day is good enough to be in our best 22.

However, we all know it is all down to form. Those in form will play.

I think you're over-rating our kids and under-rating McCarthy here. What you've described with most of them is the extreme highs they're capable off, but it'd be very unlikely to see them ALL succeed to the manner you've just mentioned.

As far as I'm concerned, McCarthy has the most runs on the board at senior level, and should be rated the highest. He has shown he has the tools to perform to a high standard at senior level, most of the others are living off our potential chit chat.

PS: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Wellingham become a freakish midfielder, or someone like Barham becoming an elite winger/HBFer ect.

 

[kevind]

Tough call that one.

I definitely think Wellingham oozes class and is very close to exploding in 2009.

J-Mac probably possess more class than Cook but Cooky won't give it up that easy and if last year's form was anything to go by he will be in our team or thereabouts in 2009.

Barham is going to become something special. He really is a special talent. May not be fully ready for 2009 but 2010 and onwards watchout.

Stanley is the only one who is in trouble IMO. All of these players are or will be ahead of him at season's end. J-Mac has him covered easily.

So I don't necessarily think J-Mac is a class above them, yet. He definitely looms as a long term talent and probably at the end of the day is good enough to be in our best 22.

However, we all know it is all down to form. Those in form will play.

Anyone who can get a read on Wellingham is a better man than I. His performances suggest he never does enough in a game, whether it be VFL or AFL. Maybe you are gambling on that horrible world 'potential'. He doesn't have any real weakness aside from lacking penetration with his kicking, but he really needs to perform far more often to justify the 'potential' label.

As for Barham, the VFL games I have seen him play suggest he has a major flaw with his kicking. He is also an 'outside' player. McCarthy appears to be able to play both 'inside' and 'outside'.

I'd be very suprised if either Wellingham of Barham become better players than McCarthy.

 

[Heater39]

IMO our team will look like this in rd 1 barring injuries

B: O'Brien Presti Johnson
HB: Shaw N.Brown Maxwell
C: Lockyer Swan Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
FF: Medhurst Rocca Anthony
R: Fraser Pendlebury Davis
I: Wood O'Bree ? ?

That leaves two bench spots available for the likes of Goldsack, Cox, Rusling, Dawes, Macaffer,Cook, Wellingham, McCarthy, Stanley, Beams, Reid, Sidebottom, Corrie, L. Brown to fight it out for.

Im a fan but im not convinced he'll start in our best 22 in rd 1, given an injury interrupted pre-season. If he can play around 10 games in 09 i would be happy.

 

[smiddaz123]

Reid will be in our AFL team whenever fit imo. Malthouse seems to love hima nd he'd be desperate to get some games into him.

 

[Somebody]

If he was playing with a dodgy knee last year and little or no preseason, and still did that well in his first year also with OP, it does suggest he could become a superstar.
Precisely for that reason I trust he'll be handled with care and the selectors will tend to err on the side of caution this year with him, in the interests of building a solid foundation for a long playing career.

Hopefully they've learnt a lesson from Josh's early handling.

 

[well left]

IMO our team will look like this in rd 1 barring injuries

B: O'Brien Presti Johnson
HB: Shaw N.Brown Maxwell
C: Lockyer Swan Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
FF: Medhurst Rocca Anthony
R: Fraser Pendlebury Davis
I: Wood O'Bree ? ?

That leaves two bench spots available for the likes of Goldsack, Cox, Rusling, Dawes, Macaffer,Cook, Wellingham, McCarthy, Stanley, Beams, Reid, Sidebottom, Corrie, L. Brown to fight it out for.

Im a fan but im not convinced he'll start in our best 22 in rd 1, given an injury interrupted pre-season. If he can play around 10 games in 09 i would be happy.

Wow. When you see the team like that it is going to make it tough. That's good though. FWIW I think McCarthy and Reid will probably get those two spots at this stage with Sidebottom and Beams to be applying pressure plus Cook as a defensive mid. We may end up with only one of Reid and Anthony being selected as the 3rd tall that can play both ends.

But on topic, I think McCarthy will be given every opportunity. Showed enough last year to suggest we need to get some games into him ASAP. He's one to be very excited about IMO.

 

[Mental Magpie]

IMO our team will look like this in rd 1 barring injuries

B: O'Brien Presti Johnson
HB: Shaw N.Brown Maxwell
C: Lockyer Swan Clarke
HF: Didak Cloke Thomas
FF: Medhurst Rocca Anthony
R: Fraser Pendlebury Davis
I: Wood O'Bree ? ?

That leaves two bench spots available for the likes of Goldsack, Cox, Rusling, Dawes, Macaffer,Cook, Wellingham, McCarthy, Stanley, Beams, Reid, Sidebottom, Corrie, L. Brown to fight it out for.

Maxwell will be suspended. (F%^&*N C$%*S)

That leaves 3 positions. IMO - Reid, McCarthy & Rusling.