Johnnie gone

[Dan26]

Thanks to the insensitive people who voted Johnnie out. Obviously, evicting him would be the hardest to cope with for all the housemates, but the viewers went ahead and did it anyway. It was a hard week to choose but the one who'd do the least amount of damage to the house, if she left would be Sara-Marie.

Yet, we have homphobes in our midst or those who say Johnnie is fake, or just can't understand caring and compassion. He was the father figure to most of the housemates.

This is the worst eviction so far. Ben, Blair, Sara Marie, Christina, and Jemma were all crying..... especially Blair (surprisingly.) I assume it'll get worse when they see his message. Oh but then the misinformed cavemen call out "it's for their own good! He was an evil backstabber!"

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dan25
Thanks to the insensitive people who voted Johnnie out. Obviously, evicting him would be the hardest to cope with for all the housemates, but the viewers went ahead and did it anyway. It was a hard week to choose but the one who'd do the least amount of damage to the house, if she left would be Sara-Marie.

Yet, we have homphobes in our midst or those who say Johnnie is fake, or just can't understand caring and compassion. He was the father figure to most of the housemates.

This is the worst eviction so far. Ben, Blair, Sara Marie, Christina, and Jemma were all crying..... especially Blair (surprisingly.) I assume it'll get worse when they see his message. Oh but then the misinformed cavemen call out "it's for their own good! He was an evil backstabber!"

bull****. Im glad hes gone. You think if Ben left, they wouldnt be upset?? Bens probably the most likeable of the bunch. Everyone woulda been upset if Sara Marie left as well. They all cried after Todd left too. Theyve been together for over 2 months, they are gonna be upset whoever goes now, they didnt cry just because it was johnnie. I bet they will all cry next week as well.

 

[Dan26]

I don't think they would have been AS upset if Ben left. Ben isn't the father figure that Johnnie was. Johnnie was like a mentor to most of them. Why would they be as upset if Sara-Marie left? She has been nominated by the housemantes 5 times now, indicating they want her out! Sara-Marie is genuine though, I'll give her that.

I hope Jemma doesn't win.

How to Win (the Jemma way):

Accidentally break some rules.
Repeat until someone notices.
Plead no malicious intent.
Wait for the "cruel" punishment.
Weep and makeself look like victim.
Wait for others to pity.
Others will pity.
Other wont nominate you.
Apply more Lip Gloss.
Repeat entire procedure!

 

[Santos L Helper]

I agree 100% with Dan on this one. Throw that annoying, screaming bitch, Sarah-Marie out!! If it's caniving, back-stabbers you want out then she takes the cake, and from the looks of her will eat it too. All of this screeching and 'wackiness' is just hiding her deep insecurities and I for one hope that they are exposed and she leaves the house a dribbling psychotic mess.
Dan, your description of Jemma is spot on!! I couldn't believe it when she threatened to walk out if they punished her. heck her, they should have thrown her arse out for breaking the rules.
I, now, hope that Blair wins. I have grown to like him because I saw a hatred for Anita that compared to my own and he'll also get shirty with Sarah-Marie and show it. I hope she goes next!!

 

[sbagman]

I think the most interesting thing that has come out of this is it seems the people who have had the strongest characters have been consistently voted out (Lisa aside). In the true Aussie tradition, we hate anyone who is any different to the norm, and now BB has lost its most articulate and intelligent character, despite what people may think of his morals. Left now are four quite ordinary people who often have little of interest to say, and an extrovert who, beneath it all, is just as banal as the rest of them.

Sarah Marie will win.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by Dan25
...insensitive people who voted Johnnie out. Obviously, evicting him would be the hardest to cope with for all the housemates, but the viewers went ahead and did it anyway. It was a hard week to choose but the one who'd do the least amount of damage to the house, if she left would be Sara-Marie.

homphobes in our midst or those who say Johnnie is fake, or just can't understand caring and compassion. He was the father figure to most of the housemates.

This is the worst eviction so far. Ben, Blair, Sara Marie, Christina, and Jemma were all crying..... especially Blair (surprisingly.) I assume it'll get worse when they see his message. Oh but then the misinformed cavemen call out "it's for their own good! He was an evil backstabber!"

Jesus! Even when voting for a TV show, no-one is allowed to have a differing opinion to Dan!!!

Firstly "homophobes"? I voted for him because I find his charachter to be the most annoying. Bar-None! I have a wide range of friends of all sexual persuasions. Don't overestimate the homophobic vote, although I'm sure it was there! If my parents both wanted him gone (and they judge people purely on their merits) over SM and Ben, then there was more to preferring the eviction of Johnnie than the fact he preferred blokes!

As for the backstabber tag he has; how did he get it Daniel? Granted it was early on when there were some less likeable people and he had calmed down somewhat in this regard, but he was shown on more than one occassion saying one thing to someone's face and then going into the bedroom and openly joking about that person! He had the tag, he earned the tag so don't get up people for their opinions of him. Lisa had the fence-sitter tag, but I suppose you would like to dismiss that as caring and considerate Dan! No difference now is there?

Sara-Marie's antics, while at first highly annoying, has become tollerable and her personallity has shone through and she has been shown to be a caring and compassionate person. The group, especially Blair, Ben and Chrissy would miss her as much if not more than Johnnie IMO. Blair was in a no win situation with his three favourite housemates on the couch!

Ben is the sort of bloke I would get along well with. I hope he wins it and I make no appology for not voting for him.

In the words of your buddy Johnnie "the eviction process is something that you have to do". He said this and undertook the process accordingly. We might has well call the show off if you think that it is that detrimental to the housemates.

Why is it more insensitive to vote out a leader of the house as opposed to the humerous one of the house or the vibrant party person of the house?

You are entitled to your opinion Dan. Just remember that everyone else does and that there are many and varied reasons for doing so!

So when I say do you understand why I voted for Johnnie over Sara-Marie and Ben, I expect you to go:

"Yeeeeesssss Absoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutleeeeey! I knooooooooooooowwwww how you're feeeeling FIGJAAAAAMMMM!! Now come and give me a hug!"

 

[dee_girl9]

Re: Re: Johnnie gone

Originally posted by FIGJAM


"Yeeeeesssss Absoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutleeeeey! I knooooooooooooowwwww how you're feeeeling FIGJAAAAAMMMM!! Now come and give me a hug!"

LOL ok whateva.

nah i am soo glad he is gone. god i hated the little whinny scrawny rat.

 

[Dave]

Re: Re: Johnnie gone

Originally posted by FIGJAM
Firstly "homophobes"?

Anyone who for whatever reason doesn't like gays/lesbians, dislike = fear apparently.

Standard Dan tactics, abuse those who don't agree with you.

 

[Dan26]

I didn't abuse anyone Dave. I am just expressing my thoughts on the latest eviction.

I won't expect an apology from you, because you are too cowardly to give one.

 

[FIGJAM]

Thanks Dave, but I already new what homophobes meant. I just think it was f*cken ridiculous that Dan can blame the 70% vote Johnnie got on this!

According to Dan's logic I will give his explanations on the following evictions, followed by the actual reasoning:

Dan's Theories

Lisa: Dark skin provoked racial hatred amongst Australia. Racial!
Anita: Skinheads across Australia united. Anti-semetic!
Johnnie: Blokes everywhere were scared of his desires to sleep with all of them. Homophobic!
Gordon: Crappy Haircut!


Actual Reasoning

Lisa: Fence sitter. A bit um-ah-err. No real conversation or substance.
Anita: B*tch!
Johnnie: Irritatingly whinny with a propensity to be two-faced.
Gordon: Crappy Haircut!

Now Daniel-San, lets see if you have the courage to appologise to everyone who voted for Johnnie, because in your post you clearly stated that the person with a desire to evict Johnnie was either homophobic or, arguably worse, without the capacity to understand caring and compassion!

I personally take offence to this and I would like to see if you aren't "cowardly like Dave" and can appologise!!!!!

 

[Dan26]

I never said the homophobic vote was the entire reason Johnie was voted out. it probably contributed, say, 10%.

The reason Johnnie got voted out, was because there was a misleaing perception that he was a backstabber. That was the main reason. I don't think he was backstabber at all, but try telling that to the ones that voted him out. The homophoboc vote was not the entire reaosn that he was voted out, and i never said it was He got voted out, because, people thought (wrongly) that he was a backstabber.

So, what of he comforted someone after he nominated them? Big deal. They were upset, so he hugged them. I'm sure he didn't hate the people he nominated, but he felt the need to comfort them. That's jst the way he is. The public thought this was manipulative, so they voted him off. The homphoboc vote may have contributed, but it wasn't the full reason, and I never said it was.

I think you should read my posts in future. In my post I said this

What I actually said was Yet, we have homphobes in our midst or those who say Johnnie is fake, or just can't understand caring and compassion. He was the father figure to most of the housemates.

As you can see, I said we have homophobes in our midst. I also said there are those who say he is fake, or can't understand caring and compassion.

Anyway, there was a a paragrpah from the web-site, which I will cut and paste:

....after Johnnies message the housemates clapped, dried their tears and fell into yet another silence that lasted a few minutes, before Ben said “he’s a legend, that bloke,” and Sara-Marie and Jemma agreed they have never cried so much in their lives!

Johnnie was a leader and a caring father figure to all housemates, and a very tangible void now exists in the house which will somehow need to be filled. Jemma summed up the challenge the housemates will now have to face by saying “I think it would make Johnnie proud if we all kept all that motivation and understanding and stay strong.”

Nevertheless, the viewers own the show, and they voted him off, so that's how it is.

 

[sabre_ac]

This contest was a fourgone conclusion before it began.
Lets just say for a second that its not rigged.
And if the vote is solely in the hands of the public, isnt it obviuos who will win.

Blair.
Lets remeber the main people watching this show, and voting.Teenage girls aged between 12 and 18, and who is there favourite??? Blair.

On top of this he is a guys kinda guy, so there are more votes.Now I would love Gemma to win becasue she is so fine, and I can promise you that if the general public got sum more skin that she might snatch it from Blair.

But the hands down winner without a doubt is blair, no way in hell will he be voted off with all these chicks wetting themselves whenever he is on the screen.

Now if the contest is rigged like I belived, and the deciding vote comes down to the producers choice.THe winner will be sara Marie, and in my opinion from a spectual point of view she has earned it.

So sara marie, I hated you at the beggining, but now i think she deserves it.

 

[Waltzing Woof Biscuit]

Damn Dan25. Got all excited. Thought you were referring to The Lodge.

 

[RogerC]

It's a game. Can we all remember that? It's a game. Nobody (including Dan, though I know it is sacrilege to say this) can presume to know all the reasons why Johnnie was voted out. Nobody should really care either. It's great tv seeing how the others cope with him being gone. It keeps Sara-Marie on the show so that those who hate her have a reason to keep watching and keep bitching. It gives Jemma one less person to bond with (has anyone else noticed how many evictees have a direct link to Jemma? Gordon, Lisa, Johnnie... Taking out Andy and Sharna, who were very early, Rachel, and Anita, who was universally hated, that's 3 out of 5).

I hope Ben wins. Admittedly, he may struggle against Blair at the final hurdle, but to me he's the most likeable. Incidentally, does anyone think the evictions might have gone differently if we were voting to KEEP rather than to EVICT? We might have lost some of the duds earlier that way. As I see it, strong personalities pick up votes whether people like them or not. Just like brand recognition in the marketplace. After all, would you seriously bother to vote to keep Christina, for instance? I like her, but she'd have been gone first nomination. Just a thought.

Anyway, just remember, it is a game, it's not like anyone's life is being screwed around with there.

 

[Dan26]

I read in the paper yesterday, that the audience for BB, is now made up of more males than females. That was very surprising. Apparently, they like the "joking" around of Blair and Ben.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Dan25
I didn't abuse anyone Dave.

Labelling people homophobic because they voted for Johnie is abuse. You may not have used those exact words but that was the insinuation.

Calling someone stupid is abuse. You have done this.

Calling someone a lemming is abuse. You have done this.

Calling someone a liar is abuse. You have done this.

Telling someone they must be on drugs is abuse. You have done this.

You are an abuser. You cannot handle people disagreeing with you.

I won't expect an apology from you, because you are too cowardly to give one.

You wont get an apology from me because what I said was accurate. You use abuse when people who disagree with you dare to stick to their guns rather than back down. If you did deserve an apology one you'd get it, ask Chris (Asgardian), he did. And I'm still waiting for one after being called a liar, by you, so who's the coward now Dan?

 

[dees01]

Perhaps if the house saw what we saw, they would not have liked Johnnie as much. For example, he nominates someone and then he goes and comforts them saying it will be OK, I love you. It really pissed me off and by the looks of it a majority of people.
I'm glad his gone but the house will be different from now on.

 

[Dan26]

Dave,

Your post, as usual, was way over the top. Every person so far has posted their own opinion on the eviction. Yet, instead of lambasting them for sticking by their opinions, you lambast me instead? My opinions on the matter are no less worthy than anyone else's. Whta do you want me to do? Agree with everyone?

Everyone else has done what I have done. That is, they have posted an opinion on Johnnie's eviction. Why don't you criticize everyone else for doing this?

I havn't been even the slightest bit abusive in this thread.

Calling someone a liar isn't abusive. If they lie and I call them a lair, I am simply calling them what they are.

Calling someone a fat, piece of sh*t is abusive.

Calling someone a lemming isn't abusive either. It just means they are followers rather than leaders. It's not abuse. it's just my opinion of their character. I don't know what that has got to do with this thread, anyway.

As for calling people stupid. Well I'm not alone there. Using your very vague definition of "abuse", I could call you just as abusive as me.

And I can certainly handle people disagreeing with me, Dave. This topic is a good example. I'll stick by my opinion that Johnnie was a nice guy, but others are free to disagree. The fact that I stick to my opinions does not mean that I can't accept others opinions. I'm not going to just change my opinion, to suit you. You must have high opinions of fence sitters

 

[TigerTank]

The homophobic community is being unfairly blamed for Johnnie's departure.

I don't watch the show and haven't voted out anyone!

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by Dan25
I havn't been even the slightest bit abusive in this thread.

Calling someone a liar isn't abusive. If they lie and I call them a lair, I am simply calling them what they are.

Calling someone a fat, piece of sh*t is abusive.

Calling someone a lemming isn't abusive either. It just means they are followers rather than leaders. It's not abuse. it's just my opinion of their character. I don't know what that has got to do with this thread, anyway.

Your first line to this post was "Thanks to the insensitive people who voted Johnnie out. ".

Like you say I wouldn't consider it abusive, but I would consider it to be making unwarranted opinions on charachter. This is fine when you have justification.

However, if you allow for rounding of 0.01%, you do not know approximately 100% of the people who voted for Johnnie.

Do not label people you don't know.

Also, your opinions are generally loaded towards dismissing the opinions of others. For example "He got voted out, because, people thought (wrongly) that he was a backstabber." Why was I wrong in thinking this?

This is frustrating. You can't deny opinion for the sake of denying opinion! It could be that you are aware of the implications of being difficult and further perpetuate your less than substantial argument by resorting to simply inferring that your opinion carries greater weight!

That's schoolyard stuff. "My Dad's stronger than your Dad!".

I don't know what the other two have done for Johnnie to warrant God status. As far as I'm concerned they hadn't set a foot wrong by anyone and Johnnie...well he did a few things wrong early on and his mannerisms just plain f*ckin sucked!

They voted Lisa out for less, where were you then Dan???

 

[GoEagles]

I had a very strong feeling that it would be Johnnie's turn to go. Ben has taken the role of the leader of the house whilst Sara-Marie brings the house some excitement and entertainment that the crowd definately seem to love. The website I visit each week which has a poll has also been correct at every eviction, so thats a very good way to judge. The website is here

I only found out last week that Jemma used to live in the same suburb as I do (she was a Perth gal), so she gets my support now!

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Dan25
Your post, as usual, was way over the top.

LOL! Pots and kettles.

Every person so far has posted their own opinion on the eviction. Yet, instead of lambasting them for sticking by their opinions, you lambast me instead? My opinions on the matter are no less worthy than anyone else's. Whta do you want me to do?

Post an opinion without derogatory remarks about those who didn't agree with you. I didn't see any other posts about homophobes. I also read this straight after your lambasting Wally for having the courage of his convictions on our board so perhaps it was a case of the straw that broke the camels back.

Agree with everyone?

Nope, acknowledge that other peoples' opinions have merit from time to time instead of labelling them would be nice.

Everyone else has done what I have done. That is, they have posted an opinion on Johnnie's eviction. Why don't you
criticize everyone else for doing this?

There are a lot of morons on the board who post crap Daniel and I ignore most of them. Why don't I ignore you? Perhaps it's the cringe factor when I read a post by a fellow dons fan, after all if a collingwood fan (sorry Joel, just an example old son) makes a fool of himself it doesn't reflect on us. Maybe it's because from time to time you actually do have a good idea. Maybe because I believe that you are capable of rising above the petty name calling that so many resort to here and debating an issue on it's merits. You can do better.

Take it as a compliment. If I thought you were a useless w***er I wouldn't bother replying to you.

I havn't been even the slightest bit abusive in this thread.

I wasn't referring to only this thread.

Calling someone a liar isn't abusive. If they lie and I call them a lair, I am simply calling them what they are.

When you question someone's integrity because they don't agree with your assesment of a situation, (remember we aren't talking about facts here, but opinions) then that's abuse in my opinion.

Calling someone a lemming isn't abusive either. It just means they are followers rather than leaders.

It implies they cannot think for themselves and are too weak to be independant. In my book that's abuse.

It's not abuse. it's just my opinion of their character.

I hate to break it to you Daniel, but denigrating someone's character IS abuse. At least everyone I know feels that way. It may not be the obscene feral style of abuse, but it's still abuse.

As for calling people stupid. Well I'm not alone there. Using your very vague definition of "abuse", I could call you just as abusive as me.

Have I ever called you stupid? If you have a look at when I've posted in our arguments you'll find that the only time I've even approached abuse with you is after one of your smart alecy cheap shots about lemmings or stupidity etc etc.

And I can certainly handle people disagreeing with me, Dave. This topic is a good example. I'll stick by my opinion that Johnnie was a nice guy, but others are free to disagree. The fact that I stick to my opinions does not mean that I can't accept others opinions.

I never said that it does. It's the way you react to other opinions (and the discussion with Wally on our board is a good example). Your continual denigration of those who disagree with you. I've never seen you concede that someone else's opinion has merit or validity.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
This contest was a fourgone conclusion before it began.
Lets just say for a second that its not rigged.
And if the vote is solely in the hands of the public, isnt it obviuos who will win.

Blair.
Lets remeber the main people watching this show, and voting.Teenage girls aged between 12 and 18, and who is there favourite??? Blair.

On top of this he is a guys kinda guy, so there are more votes.Now I would love Gemma to win becasue she is so fine, and I can promise you that if the general public got sum more skin that she might snatch it from Blair.

But the hands down winner without a doubt is blair, no way in hell will he be voted off with all these chicks wetting themselves whenever he is on the screen.

Now if the contest is rigged like I belived, and the deciding vote comes down to the producers choice.THe winner will be sara Marie, and in my opinion from a spectual point of view she has earned it.

So sara marie, I hated you at the beggining, but now i think she deserves it.

Definatly agree with you about Blair. Its definatly between him and Jemma.

The rigged voting...hmmm i did think maybe it was yes, but i also thought Andy was the most interesting person, and if it was riged i dont think the producers would of voted off the most potentially controversial and sexually oriented character.

How do we know its not rigged anyway?? We see the results...they coulda just been amde up couldnt they!! we dont know for sure.

 

[Dan26]

Dave,

I really think you need to re-assess your own sensitivity!

Your definition of abuse is ridiculous. By your reckoning, anything that is even remotely critical is abuse. Anything that is even remotely derogatory - even if it is true - is abuse as far as you are concerned.

There is a big difference between criticism and abuse, and I think you should be aware of that.

For God's sake, man grow up! I believe that the general public as a whole got the wrong idea of Johnnie as a person. In my opinion he wasn't a backstabber. If others think he was, then that is their opinion, but I think they are wrong. I don't think he was a backstabber at all, and I think he was misunderstood.

Some people agree with me; Most don't. The fact that most people think that Johnnie was a backstabber does not mean I have to agree with them. It also doesn't make Johhnie a backstabber. We all saw him on TV last night expres complete surprise at his perception as a backstabber. I think he was a very genuine person.

Apparently my belief that he is a genuine person instantly and magically means that I am denigrating anyone who thinks otherwise

 

[Dave]

Dan, it's not a matter of sensitivity at all, as your abuse doesn't bother me at, all your're doing is demeaning yourself when you resort to it. In football terms it's analagous to playing the man instead of the ball. It's simply not necessary. You don't have to tell someone they're stupid, just tell them you disagree with them. What's so hard about that?

And I don't think you're denigrating someone simply because you disagree with them, I've never said that and you know it.