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Pfft. An opinion piece that's all tip and no iceberg. Not a single example in the entire piece. Meaningless in the context of this thread.
Just implement the rules please.
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Pfft. An opinion piece that's all tip and no iceberg. Not a single example in the entire piece. Meaningless in the context of this thread.
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Hilarious. Watch ANY game and you'll see numerous examples. But hey, if burying your head in the sand works for you good luck. Hinds has simply exposed the obvious - technical umpiring doesn't work and is a blight on the game.
Read 'em and weep: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=567937
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The golden rule doesn't work because it asks the umpires to interpret what infringements affect play. Does shoving an opponent behind play affect a player's ability in the next contest? Possibly. The rules are already based on the approach that infringements unfairly affect play, so really nothing changes. How does an umpire judge if an infringement unfairly inhibits a player? What are the guidelines? Sounds like more grey area than before. If a backman was holding onto my jumper from behind, and the ball was still in the centre and I couldn't lead properly, I'd be arguing that the infringement affects play, and that's exactly why the umps penalise them right now.
What these whingers fail to understand, and this is what I think it all comes down to, is that those who want the umpires to be strict don't want it done just for the sake of it - it's because we understand that small infringements are still cheating and unfair on the players who don't infringe.
The spirit of the game it to defeat your opponent through superior skill, speed, power, strategy and instinct - but there are boundaries so that it's fair. If you cross the boundaries then it's a penalty. The only way to limit infringements and maintain the spirit of the true contest is to penalise them.
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I've seen numerous examples of 50m being paid when the player taking an uncontested mark has been held on to after the mark.
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Of course they are. If they weren't, then backmen wouldn't hold onto their opponent's jumper in the first place. The only reason they do it is because they think it offers them some advantage, and therefore effects play.
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You appear to have a very short memory, or a short history following the game because this is precisely what umpires did very successfully for 50 years. The interventionist /technical/ soft umpiring polcy is a recent development.
It's elite football, and infringements are NOT CHEATING. Cheating would be spiking Fev's drink or bribing an umpire. Grow up FFS.
The spirit of the game is to play hard, play the ball not the man, ask and give no favours. It's all about degrees, not the black and white of your fantastic football world.
Have a look around BF and other discussion forums. Can't see much support for your contention that every minor infringement should be penalised. Seems to me that most followers believe that this is ruining the game. Entitled to your opinion of course but I don't have to agree with or respect it. I don't, simply because I love the game and am concerned about the direction it is heading. If you had your way it would be totally stuffed.
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If an infringement is deliberate or negligent then it's cheating. This can't be disputed. It's the definition of cheating, genius.
The golden rule doesn't work. It didn't work in the old days, simply because of all the cheating that went on. The game in the old days had its good points but it's far better to watch now. People tend to look back with rose coloured glasses, and yes revisiting an old game now and then is fun, but to watch it week after week there's just no comparison with the game that we have today, and having a more fairly officiated game is one of the reasons for this.
You have the perception that the majority of the fans want your preferred style, but we hear all the noise from them because it's not going their way. If umpiring went back to your style there'd be just as many in the community bemoaning the umpires swallowing their whistles. The fact of the matter is that footy's more popular than it's ever been. Apart from the lack of consistency in decisions, a lot of people, yes footy people too
, have grown used to the stricter umpiring and come to expect it. The game has moved forward. It's not gonna go backwards. It's just waiting for the slow ones to catch up, so grow up FFS.Ask and give no favours? Where the hell did you pull that one from? The highest individual honour in the game is called Best and Fairest mate. Don't tell me that doesn't embody the spirit.
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If an infringement is deliberate or negligent then it's cheating. This can't be disputed. It's the definition of cheating, genius.
The golden rule doesn't work. It didn't work in the old days, simply because of all the cheating that went on. The game in the old days had its good points but it's far better to watch now. People tend to look back with rose coloured glasses, and yes revisiting an old game now and then is fun, but to watch it week after week there's just no comparison with the game that we have today, and having a more fairly officiated game is one of the reasons for this.
You have the perception that the majority of the fans want your preferred style, but we hear all the noise from them because it's not going their way. If umpiring went back to your style there'd be just as many in the community bemoaning the umpires swallowing their whistles. The fact of the matter is that footy's more popular than it's ever been. Apart from the lack of consistency in decisions, a lot of people, yes footy people too
Ask and give no favours? Where the hell did you pull that one from? The highest individual honour in the game is called Best and Fairest mate. Don't tell me that doesn't embody the spirit.
I don't usually argue with 14 yr olds but I'll humour you. Who's your favourite AFL player? Well, I can say unequivocally that he's a CHEAT. That's right, a dirty rotten CHEAT. In fact, according to your brilliant (but totally flawed) conjecture there are more than 100 cheats playing AFL every weekend. Further, every single AFL player ever to have pulled on a boot is a CHEAT. What a perverse and sad view of the football world you must have.
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Hahahaha! Every single person on this planet has cheated at something douchebag - it's called being human but it's also why we have rules and why we enforce them... So we agree the umpiring needs to be strict then! Cheers *******
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C'mon guys, it's getting a tad personal. We all want to see the game grow and develop and both of you are making good points for your respective cases.
However there is something in what polly63 is saying. Here in SA there is quite a drift back to the SANFL, and a lot has to do with the way AFL officiating is perceived here. Infact it has been known to really inflame the passion of the locals to be truthful.
However the SANFL has resisted some of the bolder rule changes (actually quite a number) made in recent time by the AFL. However my point is that maybe rather than bicker about that interpretation, or bitch about who got what and from whom, take the trouble to take a look at a more traditional solution and see if the game suits you better. Ring ABC SA and order one tape from the SANFL match of the round. Great way to assess the umpiring because there will be no emotional attachment to the decisions made. Then you will have a benchmark as to what it is or isn't you would like to see changed.
However there is something in what polly63 is saying. Here in SA there is quite a drift back to the SANFL, and a lot has to do with the way AFL officiating is perceived here. Infact it has been known to really inflame the passion of the locals to be truthful.
However the SANFL has resisted some of the bolder rule changes (actually quite a number) made in recent time by the AFL. However my point is that maybe rather than bicker about that interpretation, or bitch about who got what and from whom, take the trouble to take a look at a more traditional solution and see if the game suits you better. Ring ABC SA and order one tape from the SANFL match of the round. Great way to assess the umpiring because there will be no emotional attachment to the decisions made. Then you will have a benchmark as to what it is or isn't you would like to see changed.
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Umpire to Henry Slattery tonight: "Henry, I've warned you twice about....blah, blah, blah..."
Umpire to Brett Burton: "Brett, back a metre. Brett, stop creeping over the mark..."
Why don't they simply IMPLEMENT THE RULES? He warned Slattery TWICE! Why isn't every free paid only after a player has transgressed three times then? It's so frustrating. At least when we couldn't hear the umps we didn't realise how farcical it is.
Umpire to Brett Burton: "Brett, back a metre. Brett, stop creeping over the mark..."
Why don't they simply IMPLEMENT THE RULES? He warned Slattery TWICE! Why isn't every free paid only after a player has transgressed three times then? It's so frustrating. At least when we couldn't hear the umps we didn't realise how farcical it is.
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why don't the umpires simply IMPLEMENT THE RULES? There is a rule not found in the rule books which everyone seems to talk about but no one seems to KNOW about and it is called COMMON SENSE. There is a lot of crowd noise out there and it could be possible a player just didn't hear the umpire. That's why you hear so many "postie" whistles by umpires because the only noise the player can identify with is the whistle.
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That doesn't explain the Slattery warnings nor the fact that at random the umps pay 50 and tell the offending player, "I told you to get back a metre." Why doesn't everyone get that 'crowd noise' benefit of the doubt?
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It has been recorded that 82% of football fans do not fully understand the 'Holding The Ball' and its technicalities. For those of you who don't know how this rule works shove your comments down your throat until you do. How can people comment on something they obviously know nothing about?
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People always say the umpiring is worse now than it's ever been. A quick browse on Google News Archive for The Age right back to 1870 shows that's load of BS. People have always whinged about the umpires in exactly the same way. The news reports prove it.
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and in 50 years time the group will be the worst ever!
