Key Forward

[willoblue]

wat about liam jones from the bulldogs? They really need some class players at the moment and will be good soon based on todays game, what about our first round pick + somebody like silvagni who would provide good leadership for their younger guys and create a physical presence. Not sure how highly he is rated however and might be untouchable.

that is way overs.
the guy takes a nice contested mark, but not much else (IMO)
I'd prefer to swap him for an excess player instead.
Dogs need outside pace.
can anybody think of a solid, aged 20 plus flanker with a booming kick we have who isn't slow who could fit the bill? Remember the "eastern" Bulldogs are working class so they like their players working class, preferably with tattoos & having come up from the rookie list.

 

[Taylor]

That criteria fits Danyle Pearce too.

 

[DMan 11]

Kunna17 are you couldabeen 's son by any chance ?

Love your enthusiasm but you've thrown around more names of KPF's in this thread than are currently playing in the league.....

Focus man, focus - pick a target, talk him up and like couldabeen, when it eventually happens you can call yourself a prophet !!

 

[Kunna17]

Kunna17 are you couldabeen 's son by any chance ?

Love your enthusiasm but you've thrown around more names of KPF's in this thread than are currently playing in the league.....

Focus man, focus - pick a target, talk him up and like couldabeen, when it eventually happens you can call yourself a prophet !!

im just desperate man sorry. Kills me watching us short a forward, saw the stuff couldabeen was on, shame i've turned into a prophet like he was

 

[DMan 11]

well mate I can't remember if these guys been mentioned earlier but the two I fancy and who are somewhat attainable ( which is mainly why I fancy them ) are John Butcher from Port and Crameri from Essendon.
Both fit the new mould of key forward that can run, push up the ground and then be damaging on the way back - a lot like how Chris Mayne operates at times.
Butcher has more contested marking ability, and probably more development left in him given his age, general observation is he needs to work on his kicking for set shots but that can polished.
Crameri isn't the traditional tall KPF target but again, I think he brings enough to the Freo forward line to make it work. From what we've seen when we do have a tall lumbering target up forward this year like with Hannath and Sandi, the inability for these guys to get on their bike, press up the field and work back on the slingshot seems to nullify the team effectiveness of this whole strategy. I think crameri further enhances our mobility and draws another KPD away from going 2 up on Pav.
Then looking forward, post Pav ( I know, I hate myself for saying it ) we'll hopefully have Tabs or something similar who is 195cm plus, with Mayne and Crameri really mobile, strong, with big workrates to boot working around them complimented by ballas and walters.

Did I mention Crameri is out of contract at years ends....
Oh, and half the Essendon list are talls so they probably can't fight as hard to protect him from a poaching / paying overs approach.
Lastly, I hope and pray that given we haven't been linked to either in the media it's something that is actually being considered behind closed doors !

 

[sherrif]

well mate I can't remember if these guys been mentioned earlier but the two I fancy and who are somewhat attainable ( which is mainly why I fancy them ) are John Butcher from Port and Crameri from Essendon.
Both fit the new mould of key forward that can run, push up the ground and then be damaging on the way back - a lot like how Chris Mayne operates at times.
Butcher has more contested marking ability, and probably more development left in him given his age, general observation is he needs to work on his kicking for set shots but that can polished.
Crameri isn't the traditional tall KPF target but again, I think he brings enough to the Freo forward line to make it work. From what we've seen when we do have a tall lumbering target up forward this year like with Hannath and Sandi, the inability for these guys to get on their bike, press up the field and work back on the slingshot seems to nullify the team effectiveness of this whole strategy. I think crameri further enhances our mobility and draws another KPD away from going 2 up on Pav.
Then looking forward, post Pav ( I know, I hate myself for saying it ) we'll hopefully have Tabs or something similar who is 195cm plus, with Mayne and Crameri really mobile, strong, with big workrates to boot working around them complimented by ballas and walters.

Did I mention Crameri is out of contract at years ends....
Oh, and half the Essendon list are talls so they probably can't fight as hard to protect him from a poaching / paying overs approach.
Lastly, I hope and pray that given we haven't been linked to either in the media it's something that is actually being considered behind closed doors !

Completely agree on Crameri. He is also reportedly the strongest player at Essendon and I think his contested marking will improve significantly over the next couple of years. A forward set-up of Crameri, Mayne, Crozier, Walters, Balla and Pav would be a super quick group that would be very difficult to match up on when we counter attack from defence. Combined with the fact we could rotate a ruckman deep forward and have tall midfielders pushing forward our goal scoring avenues would be multidimensional and terribly hard to contain.

 

[Lach72]

New to have serious doubts on anyone from Essendon until its all clear

 

[E Shed]

Talking about Crameri is like other clubs supporters saying they will be able to lure Barlow as if its realistic. Maybe its within the realm of possibility but do any of us actually believe it will happen?
Crameri was talke about a while back with the balance of opinion saying he will stay at Essendon but that there will be Vic clubs lining up if he does leave. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-06/crameri-in-demand.

The last time Butcher extended his initial contract he said -

“The club was good enough to give me the opportunity in the first place and then got me through a tough first year,” said Butcher, who burst on to the scene in the final four rounds of 2011 after battling a series of injuries.

“We’ve got great things ahead at Port Adelaide with a tight playing group and we all want to be in it together as we take the Club back to where we know it should be.
“Playing with the Magpies in the SANFL has given me a real understanding of what the Port Adelaide Football club is about and I love it and everything it stands for.”

I don't see either of them as realistic trade targets.

 

[Docker82]

This situation really does suck. Looks like we're going to have to pick up a White or Gumbleton type and then also hope for the best in the draft. Not really into any of the state league players. They aren't in the afl for a reason. None of the, seem to be dominating like podsiadly or have future development like lee. We've potentially missed the opportunity to get an a grade key forward.

Having said that:
1. I would not give up Sheridan and Crozier for 5 games a year from Mitch Clark or whatever he's been getting,
2. Cloke was never coming west
3. Gumbleton was a huge risk and apparently didnt pass our medical. Not to mention essendons massive asking price
4. I wouldn't swap Black for Fyfe
The only mistakes we made was drafting Houghton rather than Reid and perhaps not giving Lee a rookie spot (was impressed last few weeks but jury is still out.)

Most players we've drafted have shown something at AFL level. Think we've just got to be thankful for what we've got and back our recruiters in even if they bring in average players from other clubs. Quinten Lynch and Ashley Hansen were in West Coasts 2006 premiership team for example. Average players can contribute to premiership winning teams.

 

[sherrif]

Talking about Crameri is like other clubs supporters saying they will be able to lure Barlow as if its realistic. Maybe its within the realm of possibility but do any of us actually believe it will happen?
Crameri was talke about a while back with the balance of opinion saying he will stay at Essendon but that there will be Vic clubs lining up if he does leave. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-06/crameri-in-demand.

The last time Butcher extended his initial contract he said -



I don't see either of them as realistic trade targets.

In the case of Crameri I would have said the same thing about D.Pearce last season. The security of a four year deal on a substantial offer has a reasonable chance of happening in my view. Plus, in a similar manner to D.Pearce moving to an environment where he would regularly play at Subi and our counter attack playing style (Crameri has elite speed) would assist him to reach his footy potential. The chances of him coming would also greatly increase if Essendon is barred from the first rounds of this draft, which is highly likely. I cant see any team offering their first pick in the draft and a highly promising midfielder(Sheridan) in return for Crameri either, which is the deal I think we would do. Crameri perfectly suits the RTB playing style and that fact will play heavily in the offer we make for him compared to other teams. Essendon is also reportedly very close to the salary cap, so I dont think they could afford to recruit Barlow or any other established star in return for Crameri. Their coach has also come out and identified Bellchambers as their priority resigning, which leaves the player in question on the outer.
I think it is as plausible a trade as any of the other prospective trades raised in this thread.

 

[Bicco]

I don't think we're in that awful a position as some do on here regarding a KPF. All these guys whose names are being thrown around, where were they 3 years ago? They we most likely skinny kids running around in the reserves. I'll be wildly imaginative and use Dylan Roberton as an example. Drafted in 2009, it took him a few years playing half a dozen or more senior games to grow into himself, understand his capabilities and learn what it takes to be an AFL player. This is what it generally takes for all of these types of KP players, ruckmen take even longer. A few more years into Tabs and Smith will be all we need. Pav isn't leaving in a hurry, I would think two years at least. If we can get lucky in the draft or FA it will be a bonus, but we're on the right track IMO.

 

[Docker82]

I don't think we're in that awful a position as some do on here regarding a KPF. All these guys whose names are being thrown around, where were they 3 years ago? They we most likely skinny kids running around in the reserves. I'll be wildly imaginative and use Dylan Roberton as an example. Drafted in 2009, it took him a few years playing half a dozen or more senior games to grow into himself, understand his capabilities and learn what it takes to be an AFL player. This is what it generally takes for all of these types of KP players, ruckmen take even longer. A few more years into Tabs and Smith will be all we need. Pav isn't leaving in a hurry, I would think two years at least. If we can get lucky in the draft or FA it will be a bonus, but we're on the right track IMO.

Roberton is not a kpp though

 

[Bicco]

M

Roberton is not a kpp though

Maybe for St Kilda, my point is one of development.

 

[yakka man]

I don't think we're in that awful a position as some do on here regarding a KPF. All these guys whose names are being thrown around, where were they 3 years ago? They we most likely skinny kids running around in the reserves. I'll be wildly imaginative and use Dylan Roberton as an example. Drafted in 2009, it took him a few years playing half a dozen or more senior games to grow into himself, understand his capabilities and learn what it takes to be an AFL player. This is what it generally takes for all of these types of KP players, ruckmen take even longer. A few more years into Tabs and Smith will be all we need. Pav isn't leaving in a hurry, I would think two years at least. If we can get lucky in the draft or FA it will be a bonus, but we're on the right track IMO.

That's the point though. It can take years to develop a decent key forward (unless you get lucky like Darling). We needed to draft a couple back in 08/09. That's why the club was so desperate for Clark and Cloke.

I still don't think that the club has ruled out Franklin yet. Why would we? We're desperste for him. Idiotness aside

 

[armedwithhope]

Anyone talking about Jesse White? I've been really impressed with his athleticism in the past month. Today he looked right at home on the wide expanses of Subiaco. Sydney simply don't need him with all of their tall options. Could some sort of trade be done?

 

[yakka man]

Anyone talking about Jesse White? I've been really impressed with his athleticism in the past month. Today he looked right at home on the wide expanses of Subiaco. Sydney simply don't need him with all of their tall options. Could some sort of trade be done?

Anyone and everyone is worth a look at this point. Beggars can't be choosers.

White would be ok at the right price provided we don't land someone better.

 

[Freo2012]

As has been said it takes years to develop a KPF - we have dire need of KPF and KPD - both Pav and McPharlin are only getting older and McP is very likely to retire this year (there realistically are even question marks over whether Pav will continue unfortunately). They are getting the type of injuries that mark the end of careers.

Unfortunately if we do not manage to secure suitable replacements for both this trade period - this years results are as good as its going to be for the next few years. And I mean suitable as to be near the quality of both Pav and McP, not with years of development/experience still required. Even if both Pav and McP play on next year we cannot guarantee a top4 finish with them highly probably only available as much as they have been this year. For Freo to be ultimately successful as our list is right now we would need absolutely 100% luck with keeping our best 22 on the park - that is not going to happen.

Freo absolutely have to recruit a top quality KPF and a KPD this year if we are to be ultimately successful within the next 2 years.

 

[Taylor]

Riewoldt this offseason, Ben Reid/Frawley next off season.

 

[armedwithhope]

Anyone and everyone is worth a look at this point. Beggars can't be choosers.

White would be ok at the right price provided we don't land someone better.

I actually think he'd be great. Unfortunately for us Sydney probably don't need anything we've got. A player and our second round pick would probably get it done.

 

[free at last]

So which key backs and key forwards will be available through FA next year?

 

[Docker82]

I actually think he'd be great. Unfortunately for us Sydney probably don't need anything we've got. A player and our second round pick would probably get it done.

We could get a better player for less. Give him an oversized contract of let's say 800k over 2 years. Front load it to 600k in year one. If he's out of contract let him go to psd. No one else will bite if the contract is that high. This is the same system that got us McPhee, Dawson, Anthony and Pearce(except not psd) and is quite achievable if media rumours of 1.5m cash pool is true.

 

[armedwithhope]

We could get a better player for less. Give him an oversized contract of let's say 800k over 2 years. Front load it to 600k in year one. If he's out of contract let him go to psd. No one else will bite if the contract is that high. This is the same system that got us McPhee, Dawson, Anthony and Pearce(except not psd) and is quite achievable if media rumours of 1.5m cash pool is true.

I'm not sure we can get a better player. I think White has been heavily under rated and paying slight overs for him might end up being the right price as opposed to paying overs for someone who is maybe slightly over rated. Regardless, White isn't going to take up all of our available cash. Am I the only one who thinks he could make an impact for us?

 

[Docker82]

I'm not sure we can get a better player. I think White has been heavily under rated and paying slight overs for him might end up being the right price as opposed to paying overs for someone who is maybe slightly over rated. Regardless, White isn't going to take up all of our available cash. Am I the only one who thinks he could make an impact for us?

No you're not. For a start I do. I just don't think he's worth that much on the trade table, especially if he's out of contract which I believe he is.

 

[armedwithhope]

No you're not. For a start I do. I just don't think he's worth that much on the trade table, especially if he's out of contract which I believe he is.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. If he's coming out of contract we should try and get him through the draft. That is probably risky though in terms of other clubs weighing in. Maybe it drives his price down at the trade table though, potentially he could be secured with a straight swap for a pick?

 

[Rob]

What about a Podsiadly type selection, i.e an experienced state league key forward in their late 20's that can come in and potentially fill a role for 2-3 years? I have to have faith that at least one of Taberner, Smith or even Howson can provide the long term solution, but i'm not kidding myself that it's going to come before 2015 at the earliest.

I guess the first question is whether someone that can do that even exists.