Key Position Forwards

[Rancid_Beasties]

the classic tiger educational program. **** with their heads in the 2s so they forget how to play the position that they made their name in.
Oh...sorry, i forget, they want to teach them defensive skills.
Like WTF??? here we have a defence that more often than not holding its own, our FL is a complete shit truck, and here we have a new recruit, who by and large has been touted as a F KPP, playing FB in the Coburg 2s. FFS, they have NFI. I would be sticking him in at FF at Coburg for the whole year, stepping him up to FF in the 1s for a few tastes, and if it works it works, if it doesnt, then lets see what he has at FB. Get your head out of your arses coahing panel. Your development formula is completely ****ed.

You have no idea. Post was an average at best key forward in the early parts of his U18s career. He was then shifted down back which is where he made his name. Hence, playing him down back is merely playing him where he is best suited.

I think the problem is that we recruited a backman with the intention of turning him into a forward. Everyone knows it really only works the other way around. I fear that Post will end up being a wasted pick because while he could well be a good CHB, we already have Rance, Thursfield, Moore and McGuane aswell as bit part players in Polak and Schulz.

 

[CoggaRules]

You have no idea. Post was an average at best key forward in the early parts of his U18s career. He was then shifted down back which is where he made his name. Hence, playing him down back is merely playing him where he is best suited.

I think the problem is that we recruited a backman with the intention of turning him into a forward. Everyone knows it really only works the other way around. I fear that Post will end up being a wasted pick because while he could well be a good CHB, we already have Rance, Thursfield, Moore and McGuane aswell as bit part players in Polak and Schulz.

ok i got it wrong if thats the case, in respect to where he made his name. So in essence you are then telling me i got it right, in respect to the brains trust having totally NFI. i.e. recruting what we need, instead of what we dont need. BTW, everyone knows shit. You only know until you know, and you can only find out what you will know if you give it a shot. Unfortunately for us, those who are responisble for our shitful recruiting, continue to hide their total and utter shitfulness, from the eyes of the greated footy public, to protect their reputations. Every team in the comp has unveiled new recruits from the last draft, not to mention recruits from the previous 2. We have unvelied shit. We sit and suck our thumbs, believing in stuff that a year later, is superceded with new stuff to believe in. We dont see any action whatsoever, we can only really say that one debut had us and the footy world saying, we have found a real deal player, from day one and here we are keeping the same muppets in the job that they have failed dismally at.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

ok i got it wrong if thats the case, in respect to where he made his name. So in essence you are then telling me i got it right, in respect to the brains trust having totally NFI. i.e. recruting what we need, instead of what we dont need. BTW, everyone knows shit. You only know until you know, and you can only find out what you will know if you give it a shot. Unfortunately for us, those who are responisble for our shitful recruiting, continue to hide their total and utter shitfulness, from the eyes of the greated footy public, to protect their reputations. Every team in the comp has unveiled new recruits from the last draft, not to mention recruits from the previous 2. We have unvelied shit. We sit and suck our thumbs, believing in stuff that a year later, is superceded with new stuff to believe in. We dont see any action whatsoever, we can only really say that one debut had us and the footy world saying, we have found a real deal player, from day one and here we are keeping the same muppets in the job that they have failed dismally at.

I will agree with you that recruiting Post was the wrong option if we wanted a key forward. But that doesn't change the fact that you are having a go at the recruiters for having NFI when you yourself don't even know what role Post made his name in. Whats worse is that you pretended you did.

As for unveiling this years draft picks, Post has alot to compete with, including in form players such as Moore, McGuane and Rance. He is not only behind those three, he is also behind Thursfield, Schulz and probably Sylvester. He is playing coburg 2's FFS and not exactly starring! Are you suggesting we throw him up 2 levels for NOTHING? Great example that sets. Vickery had a delayed preseason with some injury niggles. He is a ruckman that will need time but I think he will be included this week.

Have you considered the fact that we have unveiled Hislop, Rance, Nahas, Browne and Collins this year? 3 of those 5 have pretty much cemented spots. I would argue in graham we have found a genuine ruck prospect we didnt even know we had. Most of us thought he was a spud of the highest order. Polo and Jackson have been given gametime together rather than fighting for the same spot, and both have done pretty well. Hell, even JON has shown something. We have played the most players out of any team in the AFL, by some margin too! Theres plenty of action regarding spots, I mean FFS we have regular fixtures such as Johnson, Brown, Simmonds and now Richo all out with youngsters in their spots. You want a shakeup, well its already happening if you open your bloody eyes!

 

[beaver fever]

Post was recruited as a key defender. The big bodied key defender we lack.

 

[CoggaRules]

I will agree with you that recruiting Post was the wrong option if we wanted a key forward. But that doesn't change the fact that you are having a go at the recruiters for having NFI when you yourself don't even know what role Post made his name in. Whats worse is that you pretended you did.

As for unveiling this years draft picks, Post has alot to compete with, including in form players such as Moore, McGuane and Rance. He is not only behind those three, he is also behind Thursfield, Schulz and probably Sylvester. He is playing coburg 2's FFS and not exactly starring! Are you suggesting we throw him up 2 levels for NOTHING? Great example that sets. Vickery had a delayed preseason with some injury niggles. He is a ruckman that will need time but I think he will be included this week.

Have you considered the fact that we have unveiled Hislop, Rance, Nahas, Browne and Collins this year? 3 of those 5 have pretty much cemented spots. I would argue in graham we have found a genuine ruck prospect we didnt even know we had. Most of us thought he was a spud of the highest order. Polo and Jackson have been given gametime together rather than fighting for the same spot, and both have done pretty well. Hell, even JON has shown something. We have played the most players out of any team in the AFL, by some margin too! Theres plenty of action regarding spots, I mean FFS we have regular fixtures such as Johnson, Brown, Simmonds and now Richo all out with youngsters in their spots. You want a shakeup, well its alreaydy happening if you open your blood eyes!

You have the classic tigerhead disease dude. The one that says, you rate players on what difference they make to the players they replaced, forgetting that the real deal is making a difference on the ladder and on the comp. i.e. if previous player was a spud, a negative, then you can still make a difference to that player by being less of a negative. e.g player x was totally shitful, player y comes in and is just ordinary, you go gaga because you have long been suffering with the shitful. Keep sleeping.

 

[nut]

Post was recruited as a key defender. The big bodied key defender we lack.

And Dale wieghtman came to the club as 16 yr CHF.... he stopped growing. Things change.

 

[beaver fever]

I'm all for giving Post a shot at FF.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Post was recruited as a key defender. The big bodied key defender we lack.

How big does a defender need to be nowadays? Monster forwards are virtually non-existant, and those who are still kicking around (rocca, a couple of north ruckmen/forwards) are pretty much useless. Most forwards are now athletic, leadup types due to interpretations of marking contest rules. If you turned post into a 195 cm, 105kg monster defender he would be a liability. Just look at todays successful key defenders. Rarely do you find one outside of the 189-193cm height range, and rarely do they weigh more than 95 kgs. Thursfield (191), McGuane (191) and Moore (190) have shown that they can match it with almost all of the star key forwards. If we really want a taller key defender, we already had Rance who at 193 cm and already 90kgs looks to be the ideal build. Picking up Post was, in my opinion, the wrong move. I still believe that you recruit a forward and if he cant play there at AFL level, THEN you turn him into a backman a keep him there (what we should have done with schulz). Trying to convert a guy who was a failed forward but good backman at U18s level into a good forward at AFL level seems to be taking the unnecessarily difficult route.

As for Cogga, I dont even know what to say to that response of yours because it had nothing to do with what I said to you. You want changes to be made, and the youngsters to get a go, but when they do (and in large numbers) you say that i'm "going gaga" over their performances. How calling a few players "prospects" or saying that polo and jackson have done "pretty well" constitutes "going gaga", I seriously dont know. Would you rather the old guys back? I can't understand where you are going with this...make up your mind. Maybe you just want us to forfeit every game for the next 5-10 years until we have enough first round draft picks to fill the entire team? But by then, your johnsons and browns will be your cotchins and deledios and you'll still be having a go at everyone

 

[beaver fever]

How big does a defender need to be nowadays? Monster forwards are virtually non-existant, and those who are still kicking around (rocca, a couple of north ruckmen/forwards) are pretty much useless. Most forwards are now athletic, leadup types due to interpretations of marking contest rules. If you turned post into a 195 cm, 105kg monster defender he would be a liability. Just look at todays successful key defenders. Rarely do you find one outside of the 189-193cm height range, and rarely do they weigh more than 95 kgs. Thursfield (191), McGuane (191) and Moore (190) have shown that they can match it with almost all of the star key forwards. If we really want a taller key defender, we already had Rance who at 193 cm and already 90kgs looks to be the ideal build. Picking up Post was, in my opinion, the wrong move. I still believe that you recruit a forward and if he cant play there at AFL level, THEN you turn him into a backman a keep him there (what we should have done with schulz). Trying to convert a guy who was a failed forward but good backman at U18s level into a good forward at AFL level seems to be taking the unnecessarily difficult route.

I tried to find a post I made in regards to this issue but it will take too long. Needless to say you are largely wrong.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

I tried to find a post I made in regards to this issue but it will take too long. Needless to say you are largely wrong.

So your not only misinformed...your also lazy?

 

[c_malyon]

Let me summarise

Richo- 34 and can't kick.

Riewoldt- Undersized, also a poor kick.

Vickery- Young but at ruckman height unlikely to ever be a decent key forward.

The rest are duds. You are in trouble in the KPF department.

Riewoldt will step up now that Richo is out...He always does

And to call our KPFs duds in the week that FEV loses the game for u guys from 15 metres out is a bit stupid

 

[nut]

I'm all for giving Post a shot at FF.

lets see him play well at Coburg first.... or do you want us to Zac Dawson him??