Kreuzer v Cotchin

[The Blue Baggers]

2007 AFL draft

 

[eaglespremiers]

If Kreuzer has an uninterrupted season we might finally be able to adjudge Kreuzer as a player.
Until then I reserve judgement.

 

[T2B_]

That's a tough one. We know what Matty brings to the table but he's always been cut down by injuries sadly. I certainly wouldn't swap an injury-free Kreuzer for Cotchin though.

 

[brett15]

Ruckman vs Midfielder, you'd pick based on your list needs as was the case when they were drafted

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

I know Cotchin had a bad final and they're completely different players ... but is this really a question at all??? Cotchin far and away the better player

 

[The Blue Baggers]

I know Cotchin had a bad final and they're completely different players ... but is this really a question at all??? Cotchin far and away the better player

cotchin's had 3 shockers in finals

 

[schmuttt]

Cotchin pretty clearly I would have thought.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

cotchin's had 3 shockers in finals

Not true. When he played Carlton he had 26 touches and kicked 2. AFL site gave him 2nd best for Richmond

 

[Bulldog1954]

Is this poll serious? Cotchin has played a couple of bad finals but has been a much much better player then Kreuzer. There are valid reasons Kreuzer hasn't done as we all as anticipated, but this shouldn't even be close

 

[adammania9]

Why not compare triangles and circles? What a stupid comparison!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Cotchin would easily get a game in every team in the league. Kruezer would get a game in less than half of them.

 

[Cringle]

Kruezer by far. Not even a contest.

 

[Sando22]

Bitchin. Just.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

Cotchin would easily get a game in every team in the league. Kruezer would get a game in less than half of them.

tell me who kreuzer would not get a game for ??

 

[jiphoc]

Such a stupid poll.

Kreuzer has been injured most of his career and in a few month Cotchin may/ likely will find himself a Brownlow medalist. Seriously how is this even close?

 

[Gone Critical]

Kreuzer has struggled to show his best because of injury so this isn't even close. Cotchin by a long way

 

[eth-dog]

tell me who kreuzer would not get a game for ??

Adelaide, Brisbane, Essendon, Fremantle, Geelong, GWS, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, West Coast all have superior first rucks, and Kreuzer isn't suited to the second ruck role

 

[Mofra]

Adelaide, Brisbane, Essendon, Fremantle, Geelong, GWS, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, West Coast all have superior first rucks, and Kreuzer isn't suited to the second ruck role

Couldn't disagree more. Kreuzer is the perfect second ruck - he is a threat forward and agile enough to go with any ruck in the competition.
He's probably the best ruck-forward/second ruck in the competition behind Tippett and it's the hardest role to fill adequately at AFL level.

At his best Kreuzer is ahead of Cotchin but just can't stay on the paddock enough. Majority of their careers & for consistency Cotchin would have his nose in front.

 

[eth-dog]

Couldn't disagree more. Kreuzer is the perfect second ruck - he is a threat forward and agile enough to go with any ruck in the competition.
He's probably the best ruck-forward/second ruck in the competition behind Tippett and it's the hardest role to fill adequately at AFL level.

At his best Kreuzer is ahead of Cotchin but just can't stay on the paddock enough. Majority of their careers & for consistency Cotchin would have his nose in front.

Except that he fails to produce that whenever he has to, you know, play as the second ruck. He's a poor forward.

And no, he isn't. I'd take Jenkins, Stanley, Clark, Dixon, Vickery, Bruce, Tippett and Lycett ahead of him in that role.

 

[Mofra]

Except that he fails to produce that whenever he has to, you know, play as the second ruck. He's a poor forward.

And no, he isn't. I'd take Jenkins, Stanley, Clark, Dixon, Vickery, Bruce, Tippett and Lycett ahead of him in that role.

Who out of that bunch plays serious ruck minutes and at a level even remotely close to Kreuzer?
Tippett yes (as I said I rate him the best in the game as a ruck/forward) , Stanley has about a 3rd of his taps for a similar goal per game average, Clark half for 0.4 more goals, Lycett doesn't match him in the ruck, Dixon is more forward who pinch hits in the ruck without getting serious minutes.

Serious underrating of Kreuzer here.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Couldn't disagree more. Kreuzer is the perfect second ruck - he is a threat forward and agile enough to go with any ruck in the competition.
He's probably the best ruck-forward/second ruck in the competition behind Tippett and it's the hardest role to fill adequately at AFL level.

At his best Kreuzer is ahead of Cotchin but just can't stay on the paddock enough. Majority of their careers & for consistency Cotchin would have his nose in front.

At Cotchins best he won a brownlow. Kruezer has neve been anywhere near that level

 

[Monkey King]

At Cotchins best he won a brownlow. Kruezer has neve been anywhere near that level

Not saying I rate Kreuzer ahead of Cotchin, but this is just ridiculous logic. When was the last time a ruckman won the Brownlow?

 

[eth-dog]

Not saying I rate Kreuzer ahead of Cotchin, but this is just ridiculous logic. When was the last time a ruckman won the Brownlow?

Goodes in either 03 or 04.

 

[Monkey King]

Goodes in either 03 or 04.

As a ruckman? I think Jason Ball might have something to say about that. Goodes rucked part time and that sure as hell wasn't what won him the medal. It's midfielders medal and that's where Goodes got his votes. It's fallacious to suggest he won the medal as a ruckman.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Not saying I rate Kreuzer ahead of Cotchin, but this is just ridiculous logic. When was the last time a ruckman won the Brownlow?

The logic being that Cotchin was voted the best midfielder in the league, the same year he won the AFLCA Award. Has Kruezer ever been even top 5 in his position?