Kruezer to CHF

[marcmurphy3]

Do it!

Has all the attributes to play there and now with Warnock in the ruck we can afford to.

thoughts?

anyone think this might be in Carltons thinking?

 

[R1KSTA]

nope, i dont think it will be,..

it will be more like this, kruz fp, cloke at chf and hampo changing round with warnock

 

[Shangalang]

Do it!

Has all the attributes to play there and now with Warnock in the ruck we can afford to.

thoughts?

anyone think this might be in Carltons thinking?

No !! It is no easier fr a second year player to play CHF than it is ruck (in fact if anything it is harder) Kreuzer will play a similar role next year as this year.. Combination of ruck and deep fwd... Hopefully Warnock and some improvement from Hampson allows C Cloke to play in the VFA !!! Cloke is a battler at best, undersized for an AFL ruck and quite simply nowhere good enough to play fwd at AFL level.....

 

[Artie Bucco]

I'd like to see it happen, he wont be able to play CHF permanently but could definitely be a rotation

 

[CTwenty]

Do it!

Has all the attributes to play there and now with Warnock in the ruck we can afford to.

thoughts?

anyone think this might be in Carltons thinking?

I think this will occur as well. I am sure that Carlton will try it at some point, especially if we can't get a decent CHF (ie Hurley in draft or Hartlett's hamstrings don't hold up).

 

[juddola]

i think they will put cloke at CHF, i think he will do well there.

 

[DamianBis]

I think we should try Fev at CHF and have kruezer deep in the forward line

Remember, just because they're at "CHF" or "FF" doesn't mean they have to play a traditional FF or CHF

 

[Shangalang]

nope, i dont think it will be,..

it will be more like this, kruz fp, cloke at chf and hampo changing round with warnock

Lets hope Cloke isn't at CHF - what gives you the idea this goat can play CHF at AFL level ???

Wake up to yourself, I can just imagine whoever lines up Cloke with a grin from ear to ear zoming and running of Camreon all day long on teh way to 30possies... Hodge, Bock, S Fisher. Milburn etc etc would pay Cloke absolutely no respect as he would warrant none and do as they please..... Did u not watch teh Rd 22 game whn Cloke was played fwd and picked up by Hodge ??? Hodge dod sa he pleased and racked up possies at will.. Hopefully as the list improves C Cloke will become surplus to requirements.. Good honest goer but if he is in our best 22 we will nit be playing fianls footy !!!!! Cloke has this year maybe one more on the list as a depth player while Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock continue to develop then it is see ya later !!!

 

[Kramer1]

Lets hope Cloke isn't at CHF - what gives you the idea this goat can play CHF at AFL level ???

Wake up to yourself, I can just imagine whoever lines up Cloke with a grin from ear to ear zoming and running of Camreon all day long on teh way to 30possies... Hodge, Bock, S Fisher. Milburn etc etc would pay Cloke absolutely no respect as he would warrant none and do as they please..... Did u not watch teh Rd 22 game whn Cloke was played fwd and picked up by Hodge ??? Hodge dod sa he pleased and racked up possies at will.. Hopefully as the list improves C Cloke will become surplus to requirements.. Good honest goer but if he is in our best 22 we will nit be playing fianls footy !!!!! Cloke has this year maybe one more on the list as a depth player while Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock continue to develop then it is see ya later !!!

Reasons to try Cloke at CHF -

• 6'7 and 95kg
• Takes a nice contested mark
• Beautiful field kick (to a leading Fev)
• Can also thump it 55+
• Has more than a little mongrel in him
• Played all of hid junior footy as a forward

Reasons against -

• Shangalang doesn't think it will work

Given the above I'm rather keen to give it a shot. If his focus for the pre season is to work on aerobic fitness, and he drops a further 5 or so kilos, I think we are on to something.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Lets hope Cloke isn't at CHF - what gives you the idea this goat can play CHF at AFL level ???

Wake up to yourself, I can just imagine whoever lines up Cloke with a grin from ear to ear zoming and running of Camreon all day long on teh way to 30possies... Hodge, Bock, S Fisher. Milburn etc etc would pay Cloke absolutely no respect as he would warrant none and do as they please..... Did u not watch teh Rd 22 game whn Cloke was played fwd and picked up by Hodge ??? Hodge dod sa he pleased and racked up possies at will.. Hopefully as the list improves C Cloke will become surplus to requirements.. Good honest goer but if he is in our best 22 we will nit be playing fianls footy !!!!! Cloke has this year maybe one more on the list as a depth player while Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock continue to develop then it is see ya later !!!

Agree Shangalang. I've said many time's before that i admire his passion, but unfortunately is too easily exploited and will not feature in our long term plans unless he acquires some speed through some sort of miracle. Hodge in round 22 showed exactly why he won't be able to be used in the forward line when we begin to start pushing for the 8

 

[HBF]

i think they will put cloke at CHF, i think he will do well there.

I've been saying this for a while now. Kreuzer to FP, Cloke to CHF, and Hampson/Warnock in the ruck.

 

[Kramer1]

Agree Shangalang. I've said many time's before that i admire his passion, but unfortunately is too easily exploited and will not feature in our long term plans unless he acquires some speed through some sort of miracle. Hodge in round 22 showed exactly why he won't be able to be used in the forward line when we begin to start pushing for the 8

Don't know why you would point to a game in which we were terrible right across the park. Also might be worth acknowledging that Hodge is pretty hard and pretty mobile as backmen go, and has shown better palyers than Cloke up this year.

If were only judging him by one game why not look just one week further back onto the season where he pretty well got us across the line with some great conteseted grabs and four goals?

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

The main reason Carlton went so hard for Warnock was to free Kreuz up to play as a permanent Fwd.

Cloke and Hammer will battle it out for 2nd ruck possie which Hammer will eventually make his own.

I see a fwd line of Cloke Kreuz and Fev as too top heavy, but if they do play together fwd I prefer MK out across HF and Cloke closer to goal.
Cloke/ Kreuz / Fev / Fisher is even worse.

Backlines will run it out with too easy with Clokeasaurus and Fisher applying too little pressure.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Don't know why you would point to a game in which we were terrible right across the park. Also might be worth acknowledging that Hodge is pretty hard and pretty mobile as backmen go, and has shown better palyers than Cloke up this year.

If were only judging him by one game why not look just one week further back onto the season where he pretty well got us across the line with some great conteseted grabs and four goals?

I'm pointing out that game, because it was made clear that he's not fast enough to play up forward if a smaller, quicker back who can contest plays on him. For one he's unable to apply forward pressure, and two, his player can run up the ground with ease and create forward thrusts.

Hodge embarrassed us that game and Clarkson really highlighted a weakness that we'd been trying to cover up through the year. A player with that big a weakness will be more of a liability than anything in the long run.

If he was to continue to develop as a ruckman and improve his tap out %, then things could be different, because he'd be playing against the taller, less mobile players in the competition - that''s a totally different story.

I highly doubt he'll ever be successful for us as a forward.

 

[blue_boys]

Reasons to try Cloke at CHF -

• 6'7 and 95kg
• Takes a nice contested mark
• Beautiful field kick (to a leading Fev)
• Can also thump it 55+
• Has more than a little mongrel in him
• Played all of hid junior footy as a forward

Reasons against -

• Shangalang doesn't think it will work

Given the above I'm rather keen to give it a shot. If his focus for the pre season is to work on aerobic fitness, and he drops a further 5 or so kilos, I think we are on to something.

he is definitely about 6'3 - 6'4 not 6'7

thought I'd just point that out

 

[Warsaw]

He is too young to hold that role right now. If Warnock and Hampson delivers the goods and becomes one of the elite ruckmen than we could potentially see him play CHF and be one of the most dangerous players in the game.

He needs to put on more. He usually holds his ground well but still has the body of a 19 year old. He can kick goals so i would expect him to be at times paring with Fev in the goal square but generally he'll be rotated all around the park.

He'll get time in the ruck and in goal. He could also be seen playing down back. But we need to give him time to grow. Patience people patience.

 

[jonoman89]

Cloke to CHF into 2009 without a doubt. Warnock #1 ruck, with Kruezer providing back up but staying at FP most of the game.

I don't know about Hampson in 2009. Might need another year in the 2s. He'll get a few games though no doubt.

 

[Kramer1]

he is definitely about 6'3 - 6'4 not 6'7

thought I'd just point that out

My mis-calculation...hes 6'4 and some change

 

[thegreenmachine]

There could be 2 scenarios that could happen next year:
1. Cloke as CHF, Warnock as 1st choice ruckman and Kreuzer in the FP rotating through the ruck, if Hampson doesn't play that many games next year.
Or, 2. Rotate Fevola and Kreuzer through the FF/CHF positions and play Warnock and Hampson in the ruck.
But I'm a fan of Cloke and have been saying for some time now that he's a forward who can ruck, really only a part-time ruckman. So I like the former option myself.

 

[Korn]

Cloke needs to play in the forward if he wants to have a long career at Carlton.

 

[SOSForever]

Kreuzer to FP, Cloke to CHF

I don't know do you want both in the forward line, isn't that a bit too much height?

 

[cookie monster]

Lets hope Cloke isn't at CHF - what gives you the idea this goat can play CHF at AFL level ???

Wake up to yourself, I can just imagine whoever lines up Cloke with a grin from ear to ear zoming and running of Camreon all day long on teh way to 30possies... Hodge, Bock, S Fisher. Milburn etc etc would pay Cloke absolutely no respect as he would warrant none and do as they please..... Did u not watch teh Rd 22 game whn Cloke was played fwd and picked up by Hodge ??? Hodge dod sa he pleased and racked up possies at will.. Hopefully as the list improves C Cloke will become surplus to requirements.. Good honest goer but if he is in our best 22 we will nit be playing fianls footy !!!!! Cloke has this year maybe one more on the list as a depth player while Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock continue to develop then it is see ya later !!!

i concur as well. cloke just cant cut it as an afl football imo. will be a depth player very soon.

 

[BluesMan]

Do it!

Has all the attributes to play there and now with Warnock in the ruck we can afford to.

thoughts?

anyone think this might be in Carltons thinking?

Narrrrr

 

[blues_gibbzy]

Imo It'll be pretty much set Warnock #1 ruckman Kreuzer forward pocket hampson #2 ruckman but play back at times(has the athletic abilty an will improve his carrer) Cloke chf for maybe a year or 2 to protect kreuzer and Fev at ff and hopefully we get rid of fisher an russel they wreck our forward line tbh we shall get some jetta or nahas to replace them.

 

[JezBlues]

Cloke is a hopeless ruckman and is too small to ruck but has shown a real knack for contested marks so should definately be played as a permanent forward with Warnock #1 ruckman and Kreuzer and Hampson switching between seniors and reserves depending on form

We can't play Cloke Warnock Kreuzer and Hampson in the same 22 imo