Last year's form?

[sante]

Where has it gone?

What is our gameplan?

 

[cormick]

It went over there.

Our gameplan is to kick to player X, who, on paper, should beat his opponent. We then want one or two players running past for the handball to kick it to player Y. As above, player Y should mark the ball, and will then turn and kick the ball to the best option. If this all comes off, we should be around 55m from goal. If the "best option" is a good kick, then they should have a shot, if not pass it off. If all goes to plan, we should have a shot at goal. That's the gameplan.

 

[_RT_]

What form Sante? In those 8 wins to end last season we beat Melbourne (16th), Port (12th), West Coast (15th), Essendon (12th), Brisbane(6th at the time finished 11th), Hawks (2nd with nothing to play for), Freo (13th) and Melbourne (16th) and it sucked a lot of posters here into thinking we were better than we really were.

 

[JSFish]

****ing hell RT, that argument is such a load of shit, especially in this case. Whoever we played, we showed some pretty good form in the last 11 games of last year given where we were, and are, as a team. It's all relative to that - if Geelong only won 8 out of those 11 games, they wouldn't be in 'good form', such is where they are at as a team. We aren't a top side though, so that run showed some very promising signs, and good improvement.

This year we've been hammered twice, and lost to the worst team in the comp, all in 4 games. Sounds like it's fair to say we've lost some form from last year.

 

[camsmith]

Wallace tried to copy Hawthorn and their game plan so he completely changed the way we play footy and thus has screwed with the players heads who now have nfi what to do when they have the ball in their hands.

Last year we started the season slowly and was frustrating to watch us throw away games to the Dogs and Saints but atleast I knew we were getting somewhere, this season thats all gone out the window.

 

[theyellowsash]

Wallace tried to copy Hawthorn and their game plan so he completely changed the way we play footy and thus has screwed with the players heads who now have nfi what to do when they have the ball in their hands.

give the man a trophy

 

[Coach_Required]

Wallace tried to copy Hawthorn and their game plan so he completely changed the way we play footy and thus has screwed with the players heads who now have nfi what to do when they have the ball in their hands.

Last year we started the season slowly and was frustrating to watch us throw away games to the Dogs and Saints but atleast I knew we were getting somewhere, this season thats all gone out the window.

Sorry camsmith but thats the biggest load of BS I have read, last year we flooded and zoned off but more in the defensive 50, all thats happend this season is we are trying to do the same thing as just about every other club in this comp who have taken a "Hawthorn" approach and gone further up the ground. The damning thing is our players cant kick a football and cant handle being under any kind of under pressure.

Where Wallace has failed is in the skill department, these players skills are a joke, he even mentioned such when he first got to Richmond, but has this improved even after cleaning out the list ? NO we are still as shit as we were 5 years ago.

As a tactical coach Wallace knows what he wants to happen he just has NFI how to get us to do it. I'm sick of the coach copping all the crap and our pathetic peahearted players dont even get a wack on their pretty boy smooth skinned knuckles. Its been like this since the mid 90's our players have no hardness, no ability to stand up for themselves and no aggots between their girly legs.

What a joke

 

[tony_montana]

****ing hell RT, that argument is such a load of shit, especially in this case. Whoever we played, we showed some pretty good form in the last 11 games of last year given where we were, and are, as a team. It's all relative to that - if Geelong only won 8 out of those 11 games, they wouldn't be in 'good form', such is where they are at as a team. We aren't a top side though, so that run showed some very promising signs, and good improvement.

This year we've been hammered twice, and lost to the worst team in the comp, all in 4 games. Sounds like it's fair to say we've lost some form from last year.

LMFAOOOOOO

After everything you've seen thus far this season you still refuse to see it do you? We tried to tell you the Hawks game was a nothing game, they were going through the motions and already looking ahead to finals football. The rest of the wins? sure we won but look at the teams, big effin deal. Nothing to get excited about, as has been brutally proven thus far this season

Last seasons form was just the usual dumb and pointless richmond junktime wins late in the season to save some face. It has enabled them to get away with it for a long time but like all lies that finally get found out, i think the penny has finally dropped and we have seen the true state of the RFC.

completely $#!%ED!!!!

 

[JSFish]

LMFAOOOOOO

After everything you've seen thus far this season you still refuse to see it do you? We tried to tell you the Hawks game was a nothing game, they were going through the motions and already looking ahead to finals football. The rest of the wins? sure we won but look at the teams, big effin deal. Nothing to get excited about, as has been brutally proven thus far this season

Last seasons form was just the usual dumb and pointless richmond junktime wins late in the season to save some face. It has enabled them to get away with it for a long time but like all lies that finally get found out, i think the penny has finally dropped and we have seen the true state of the RFC.

completely $#!%ED!!!!

No, you're completely missing my point. Think of it this way - if we played anything like the way we've played so far this year, we wouldn't have got anywhere near winning 8 of those games. That's my point. Regardless of who we beat at the end of last year, we were playing much, much better than we are now. That can't have just disappeared, especially with a majority of our players still being young and having the capacity for improvement in them.

 

[tony_montana]

No, you're completely missing my point. Think of it this way - if we played anything like the way we've played so far this year, we wouldn't have got anywhere near winning 8 of those games. That's my point. Regardless of who we beat at the end of last year, we were playing much, much better than we are now. That can't have just disappeared, especially with a majority of our players still being young and having the capacity for improvement in them.

Not at all, I know what your point is, its just we weren't that good and you for some reason over rate those performances.

We were better than now, but thats like saying a dried **** doesn't smell as much as a fresh pile, bottom line they're still both turds

 

[JSFish]

But we weren't shit at the end of last year. We were still beating all the bottom 8 sides, and pretty comfortably, something a mid table team should do. So we were playing like a genuine mid table team, which is about where we were at. With improvement we should be pushing for the top 4, but for some reason we're suddenly playing like a genuine bottom 2 team. Not sure why, but the same cattle have seem to have lost the ability to produce, at least for the time being. Ability doesn't just disappear though, and that's why I'm confident that how we are going is in no way indicative of our capacity.

 

[Barnzy]

With improvement we should be pushing for the top 4, but for some reason we're suddenly playing like a genuine bottom 2 team. Not sure why

Basically, older players getting older, younger players not improving as expected. Something beyond that is not right though as we weren't turning it over as much last year and while some of them may not be the best kicks even a a 12 year old can kick better than them at times. It's all about confidence, that 8 goal burst against Geelong, we had good foot skills in and it paid off. None of them have confidence at the moment when they get the ball.

 

[tony_montana]

Its called junktime wins, its hard to accept but true, ask yourself this - in the run home, apart from Geelong, which was the crunch game against a fellow competitor for the 8? Adelaide..... what happended in that MASSIVE game at the G? did we bring it? lol By 1/2 time we were friggen 10 goals down!! I saw enough that day, groundhog day, a perpetual reoccurance for us, big games=deer in headlights. Why? bc we're not a real team, we play less like a team than any other AFL side. No other team does the basic fundamentals less than us, ie tackle, shephard, selfless repeated gut running. AND THIS WILL ALWAYS BE EXPOSED IN PRESSURE COOKER SITUATIONS OF A BIG GAME

For this to be the common theme under more than one coach shows we are rotten from the inside out. I hate saying it, but deep down inside i know i am right on this

 

[getthefooty]

Basically, older players getting older, younger players not improving as expected.

Because 4 rounds is an accurate gauge of improvement.

 

[tony_montana]

Because 4 rounds is an accurate gauge of improvement.

FFS, go watch the game before you start defending the turf, you're starting to embarrass yourself.

its checkmate for season 09

 

[Barnzy]

Because 4 rounds is an accurate gauge of improvement.

Here I was thinking you couldn't post anything more stupid than I've recently seen, congratulations.

 

[mickctiger]

wallet shot us in the foot by getting us to ninth last year. if he had allowed us to bottom out we might have at least been able to qualify for some priority picks that would allow us to do some much needed rebuilding

 

[getthefooty]

FFS, go watch the game before you start defending the turf, you're starting to embarrass yourself.

its checkmate for season 09

I'd argue the complete opposite, that you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[JSFish]

Basically, older players getting older, younger players not improving as expected.

At the moment they aren't, no. But as GTF said, it's been 4 rounds.

Its called junktime wins, its hard to accept but true, ask yourself this - in the run home, apart from Geelong, which was the crunch game against a fellow competitor for the 8? Adelaide..... what happended in that MASSIVE game at the G? did we bring it? lol By 1/2 time we were friggen 10 goals down!! I saw enough that day, groundhog day, a perpetual reoccurance for us, big games=deer in headlights. Why? bc we're not a real team, we play less like a team than any other AFL side. No other team does the basic fundamentals less than us, ie tackle, shephard, selfless repeated gut running. AND THIS WILL ALWAYS BE EXPOSED IN PRESSURE COOKER SITUATIONS OF A BIG GAME

No. At 3-8-1, if you want any chance to make the finals, every game is a crunch game. I understand that the Adelaide game was what would be referred to as an '8 point game' given our respective positions on the ladder, but had we lost any of the 8 games we won, they too would be looked back at as the games which dashed any finals hopes we had.

You contradict yourself by saying that all those wins were 'junktime' wins, then claiming that the Adelaide game was 'crunch time' when it came after over half of those 8 wins. If that game was so important, then the games preceding it obviously had a reasonable bearing on our season as well.

For this to be the common theme under more than one coach shows we are rotten from the inside out. I hate saying it, but deep down inside i know i am right on this

Okay.

 

[getthefooty]

Here I was thinking you couldn't post anything more stupid than I've recently seen, congratulations.

Here I was thinking Barnzy's a ********. Nothing's changed in the last 2 seconds.

 

[Barnzy]

Here I was thinking Barnzy's a ********. Nothing's changed in the last 2 seconds.

You have to admit that comment on the previous page was pretty stupid, even for you. Pretty safe to say that in the 4 rounds played so far that the team and coincidentally the players are not improving given the results, in fact you could argue that they have gone backwards. How many more pathetic efforts by them will it take for you to realise this?

 

[tony_montana]

I'd argue the complete opposite, that you're embarrassing yourself.

You're a grade A clown that resorts to "no Im not you are" schoolyard behaviour when you are being comprehensively owned in a debate.

Get some class and some hairs on the chest by learning how to take it like a man when you get beat. You'll become a better person for it You admitted in another thread that you havent even seen todays game and yet youre defending it LMAOOOOOOOO @ you

Anyone catch the game today? Was playing myself so I'm unsure of the details. If anyone could fill me in that would be great.

 

[JSFish]

You didn't comprehensively beat him at all tony. He said that 4 rounds is not an accurate measure of improvement for individual players, to which you responded 'but we can't make the finals'. Have a think about it.

 

[E Shed]

From an outsiders perspective I thought you guys looked sensational toward the end of last year and rated you with Carlton as this years big movers. I can't help but think Cotchin is a big difference. He's like Selwood at Geelong just does everything right and all the hard stuff. Don't underestimate the confidence having a real rolls royce give the players around him. From his first kick he screamed class.

 

[tony_montana]

At the moment they aren't, no. But as GTF said, it's been 4 rounds.

You do realise we will have to go 13-4 from here on in to play finals? very realistic

No. At 3-8-1, if you want any chance to make the finals, every game is a crunch game. I understand that the Adelaide game was what would be referred to as an '8 point game' given our respective positions on the ladder, but had we lost any of the 8 games we won, they too would be looked back at as the games which dashed any finals hopes we had.

You contradict yourself by saying that all those wins were 'junktime' wins, then claiming that the Adelaide game was 'crunch time' when it came after over half of those 8 wins. If that game was so important, then the games preceding it obviously had a reasonable bearing on our season as well.

Its not contradictary at all, there are games against crappy sides like essendon, freo, melbourne, and then there are games for men against Adelaide. I know which ones I would like to measure my team against.