Lebanon

[iceman]

Yes of course, Lebanon is experiencing internal conflict because the US invaded Iraq. I forgot rule number one - the US and Israel are responsible for every problem in the middle east.

The US and Israel can do whatever they like to the middle east and it is welcomed by people like you as just and fair

 

[iceman]

Thats because we are an advanced stable democracy, and Lebanon is a backward unstable society where violence still has widespread appeal as a method to resolve disputes.

I don't appreciate those comments coming from you, that is a pathetic and misinformed opinion about a country and region which you obviously have no knowledge about

This thread is about wishing peace on the Lebanese people, if you are not interested in spreading that message then feel free to read other threads

 

[Daveo]

The US and Israel can do whatever they like to the middle east and it is welcomed by people like you as just and fair

Provided they have detergents who are going to provide death and destructification to us on a massive snail, yeeehaa

 

[MSR273]

I don't appreciate those comments coming from you, that is a pathetic and misinformed opinion about a country and region which you obviously have no knowledge about

Whether you appreciate it or not, those are the facts. The whole region is politically unstable, and this is directly attributable to the backward character of the people who populate it.

This thread is about wishing peace on the Lebanese people, if you are not interested in spreading that message then feel free to read other threads

LOL - perhaps those idiots should stop supporting terrorists and then they wouldn't need our peaceful wishes.

 

[MSR273]

The US and Israel can do whatever they like to the middle east and it is welcomed by people like you as just and fair

Gee, heres a surprise, any trouble in the middle east always somehow comes back to the US and Israel. Perhaps you could tell us how they are to blame for Hizbollahs latest antics in Beirut.

 

[Moo]

Gee, heres a surprise, any trouble in the middle east always somehow comes back to the US and Israel. Perhaps you could tell us how they are to blame for Hizbollahs latest antics in Beirut.

Lebannon was very stable for decades.

Can you guess what was the trigger for the strife?

 

[iceman]

LOL - perhaps those idiots should stop supporting terrorists and then they wouldn't need our peaceful wishes.

That's funny, is it the Western backed government that is supporting terrorists now is it?

Show's how little you know about anything relating to Lebanon or the middle east as a whole

 

[iceman]

Lebannon was very stable for decades.

Can you guess what was the trigger for the strife?

Don't bother with him, we can now expect another witty response on how the people are backward and only he knows what is right....

Only he knows the real reason the region has issues, maybe we should send him there to fix it considering he's so well informed

 

[iceman]

Whether you appreciate it or not, those are the facts. The whole region is politically unstable, and this is directly attributable to the backward character of the people who populate it.

No, those are not the facts, come back to me when you do have the real facts on why the region is unstable

In the meantime, keep on wishing death and destruction to the innocent people stuck there

 

[MSR273]

Lebannon was very stable for decades.

Can you guess what was the trigger for the strife?

Gee, let me take a wild stab in the dark, I bet it was Israel.

 

[MSR273]

Only he knows the real reason the region has issues, maybe we should send him there to fix it considering he's so well informed

There is no way to fix it in the short term These people require substantial social and cultural evolution to catch up to us and this takes time. This is generational change and I would say they are at least a couple of generations away.

 

[iceman]

Gee, let me take a wild stab in the dark, I bet it was Israel.

OK, thats fine, it wasn't Israel, can you enlighten me and tell me and everyone else here what caused the stability issues in Lebanon (let alone the region)?

This after there were decades of stability and Lebanon was regarded as the Paris of the Middle East.....

 

[iceman]

There is no way to fix it in the short term These people require substantial social and cultural evolution to catch up to us and this takes time. This is generational change and I would say they are at least a couple of generations away.

I dont think the children in Palestine seeing their families being oppressed or killed would be a good way to instill the thoughts of peace now would it?

Obviously, this goes for all sides involved in the conflict - but back to my original question, if you are so well informed as to why everything is happening, can you please tell us the short and long term solutions?

 

[MSR273]

OK, thats fine, it wasn't Israel, can you enlighten me and tell me and everyone else here what caused the stability issues in Lebanon (let alone the region)?

This after there were decades of stability and Lebanon was regarded as the Paris of the Middle East.....

First of all, there was never stability in Lebanon. The only reason there was an illusion of stability is because Syria was in there controlling the place. The thing was just a house of cards waiting to collapse as soon as a card is removed. Thats not stability my friend. A truely stable society will endure any number of challenges and trials, Lebanon hasn't because it isn't stable. And it isn't stable because its backward people still see violence and an integral method of problem resolution and have no real respect for democracy. A pattern repeated continually across the middle east.

 

[MSR273]

I dont think the children in Palestine seeing their families being oppressed or killed would be a good way to instill the thoughts of peace now would it?

Do you think the children of England found it any easier to see their families killed in WWII. But their democracy held and continued and was never threatened.

Obviously, this goes for all sides involved in the conflict - but back to my original question, if you are so well informed as to why everything is happening, can you please tell us the short and long term solutions?

I have already told you there is no short term solution. These people are too backward to pull themselves out of their cycles of hate and violence. In the long term I suppose there is some hope they will evolve as other societies have.

 

[iceman]

First of all, there was never stability in Lebanon. The only reason there was an illusion of stability is because Syria was in there controlling the place. The thing was just a house of cards waiting to collapse as soon as a card is removed. Thats not stability my friend. A truely stable society will endure any number of challenges and trials, Lebanon hasn't because it isn't stable. And it isn't stable because its backward people still see violence and an integral method of problem resolution and have no real respect for democracy. A pattern repeated continually across the middle east.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you there - they were a stable country and a model for other middle east countries.

Also, can you explain to me how you categorise all the middle east people as backward because certain groups and organisations use violence as a means to get what they want?

 

[iceman]

I have already told you there is no short term solution. These people are too backward to pull themselves out of their cycles of hate and violence. In the long term I suppose there is some hope they will evolve as other societies have.

Evolve?? Yeah, nice choice of words - we can only hope they become understanding, tolerant and decent like yourself

The hate and violence you speak of is not just caused because the people have nothing better to do.

It can only be resolved when the underlying issues are resolved - a nice one to start off with would be the Palestine and Israel issue - care to give us your worldly advice?

 

[MSR273]

Evolve?? Yeah, nice choice of words - we can only hope they become understanding, tolerant and decent like yourself

They don't have to become understanding, tolerant or decent. All they have to do is accept that there are ways to resolve political and social problems other than through extreme violence.

The hate and violence you speak of is not just caused because the people have nothing better to do.

Its because they culturally immature and believe that violence is an appropriate response to problems.

It can only be resolved when the underlying issues are resolved - a nice one to start off with would be the Palestine and Israel issue - care to give us your worldly advice?

I see, so their democracy crumbles because of a dispute between two other nations. Wow, its sure sounds stable to me.

The only underlying issue that needs to be resolved is their social and cultural ******ation.

 

[iceman]

They don't have to become understanding, tolerant or decent. All they have to do is accept that there are ways to resolve political and social problems other than through extreme violence.

Once again, a sweeping generalisation that all the people resort to violence, which is not true

I see, so their democracy crumbles because of a dispute between two other nations. Wow, its sure sounds stable to me.

The only underlying issue that needs to be resolved is their social and cultural ******ation.

One minute you are talking about the region as a whole, the next you are talking only about Lebanon, which one is it going to be?

The region stability needs to be addressed by resolving the Palestine/Israel issue first and foremost, that conflict is affecting not only those countries but also Lebanon (the war that occurred 2 years ago affected all Lebanese I believe, not only Hizbollah - but thats obviously not a concern to you) - and Iran who wants to have total domination of the region.

Also, the Iraq war which was supposed to make Iraq the beacon of democracy in the middle east didnt turn out too well did it?

So i guess there are more issues than just the ******ation as you call it

 

[MSR273]

Once again, a sweeping generalisation that all the people resort to violence, which is not true

Of course it is a generalisation.But the fact remains that extreme violence has widespread acceptance and application as a means to resolve political problems.

The region stability needs to be addressed by resolving the Palestine/Israel issue first and foremost, that conflict is affecting not only those countries but also Lebanon (the war that occurred 2 years ago affected all Lebanese I believe, not only Hizbollah - but thats obviously not a concern to you) - and Iran who wants to have total domination of the region.

Nonesense. As I have said, a stable democracy will survive these challanges. Have a look at Briton during WWII. I think you will find there was a little bit of regional instability there as well.

Also, the Iraq war which was supposed to make Iraq the beacon of democracy in the middle east didnt turn out too well did it?

Of course it didn't work out too well, as I have stated, attempts to establish democracy with primitive violent religious people is doomed to failure. But I suppose Iraq hasn't invaded other countries, has it.

So i guess there are more issues than just the ******ation as you call it

Their cultural ******ation is the main problem. Building democracy on this foundation is like building a house on loose sand. Until the character of the people evolve to a more advanced state, then democracy will always struggle. History has proven this time and time again.

 

[iceman]

Of course it didn't work out too well, as I have stated, attempts to establish democracy with primitive violent religious people is doomed to failure. But I suppose Iraq hasn't invaded other countries, has it.

I'm not going to continue arguing as we both obviously have our views and neither will concede - but on the note above, were you in support of the war? If so, with your knowledge of the people there, why didnt you actively protest against it?

And from that, I think its been a while since Iraq invaded anyone, if thats going to form some of your justification of what happened there

 

[MSR273]

I'm not going to continue arguing as we both obviously have our views and neither will concede - but on the note above, were you in support of the war? If so, with your knowledge of the people there, why didnt you actively protest against it?

And from that, I think its been a while since Iraq invaded anyone, if thats going to form some of your justification of what happened there

Yes, I supported the war, but I couldn't care less about establishing a democracy. I always knew it was a waste of effort because the people are not ready for democracy. These people need a ruthless regime to keep them in line, but unfortunately Sadams activities moved beyond his borders so he had to go.

 

[iceman]

Yes, I supported the war, but I couldn't care less about establishing a democracy. I always knew it was a waste of effort because the people are not ready for democracy. These people need a ruthless regime to keep them in line, but unfortunately Sadams activities moved beyond his borders so he had to go.

On one hand you say that need a ruthless regime to keep them in line, which they had with Saddam

And which borders did Saddam move beyond? Oh thats right, he was in line with Al-Qaeda - wasnt that the latest intelligence from the US? (Or has it changed now)

And the fact you couldnt care less about establishing a democracy or peace of any sort shows what sort of person you are.... I think this thread has done its time

 

[MSR273]

On one hand you say that need a ruthless regime to keep them in line, which they had with Saddam

And which borders did Saddam move beyond? Oh thats right, he was in line with Al-Qaeda - wasnt that the latest intelligence from the US? (Or has it changed now)

Er... are familiar with his invasions on Kuwait and Iran, plus scud missile attacks on Israel.

And the fact you couldnt care less about establishing a democracy or peace of any sort shows what sort of person you are.... I think this thread has done its time

There is little point in trying to establish a democracy on primitive people not ready for it. It will only lead to long term suffering. Zimbabwe is a perfect example of this.

 

[iceman]

Er... are familiar with his invasions on Kuwait and Iran, plus scud missile attacks on Israel.



There is little point in trying to establish a democracy on primitive people not ready for it. It will only lead to long term suffering. Zimbabwe is a perfect example of this.

When was the last time Saddam shot scud missiles on Israel? Was it recent? Was it around the time the US and its allies decided to attack? Also, when were the invasions of Iran and Kuwait exactly? Any time recent? So because he overstepped his boundary as you say in 92 was it, that is reason to attack him now? Yep, good justification... oh, and the weapons of mass destruction, i forgot

And Zimbabwe is a democracy? LOL

If thats your idea of a democracy then Iraq was and always has been a democracy.... and dont give me any more of this primitive people talk, its insulting to you and your whole conversation