Let's dissect the Melbourne situation...

[Tzatziki_Man]

Sacking Bailey was wrong. It was too reactive. He did have to go, but along with many others.

Terrible loss, unbelievable loss actually…

But when will clubs begin to accept that a coach is simply not entirely responsible for such an inept performance like that?

Melbourne is better than that and so is Dean Bailey. Unfortunately there are certain positions that need to be protected and that’s why the coach is ALWAYS first to go.

What responsibility have the players taken? What about the assistant coaches, development coaches, football manager, opposition analysts and the board themselves. Bailey should go at the end of the year, but so should many others and unfortunately they have used this man as a scapegoat just to calm the media pressure whilst pumping some ego's at the same time. It's absolute bullshit. So many jobs should be put into question. This team has had so many top selections at the draft table, and four years into their ‘development’ they manage to lose by 186 points. Where will the pain end for their supporters?

Hopefully it lasts a little longer.

I want Richmond to pick apart their carcass and take away either Stefan Martin or Max Gawn, I want Martin.

If Melbourne are willing to live by the sword, they have to accept dying by the sword.

Thoughts?

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

You already got Brad Miller and Craig Cameron, isn't that enough for you?

As for pinching our ruckmen, haven't you learned your lesson about trading for ex-Melbourne ruckmen after Troy Simmonds and Steven O'Dwyer?

Dean Bailey wasn't going to take us forward. Maybe you should have kept Terry Wallace, in that case.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Firstly, I grew up with Dean, played cricket with him for years... fantastic guy.

But even I, like many others, saw this coming, and I am not surprised at all. It's not simply a reaction to yesterday's loss IMO. Their form this year has been so indifferent from week to week, the message just doesn't seem to be getting through. They also have a similar issue to us, minimal on ground leadership. At least we have Cotch coming through. I don't know who made the decisions to get rid of McDonald etc, but it seems like it has back-fired big time to me.

I think you might find a lot of players will be buoyed by the off-field changes over the pre-season, assuming they get it right. They will certainly need everything in place asap to convince the important players to hang around. So I will be surprised if there are too many players who decide to jump ship - some may be pushed however. The players will also feel some responsibility, and will want the opportunity to atone.

 

[Puntroad]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Shuffling around the brains trust might have a 'galvanizing' effect on the playing group though dont you think?

I'de love Stefan Martin... holding onto Jamar, Gawn and Martin would take a considerable amount of wheeling and dealing on Melbournes behalf.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Firstly, I grew up with Dean, played cricket with him for years... fantastic guy.

But even I, like many others, saw this coming, and I am not surprised at all. It's not simply a reaction to yesterday's loss IMO. Their form this year has been so indifferent from week to week, the message just doesn't seem to be getting through. They also have a similar issue to us, minimal on ground leadership. At least we have Cotch coming through. I don't know who made the decisions to get rid of McDonald etc, but it seems like it has back-fired big time to me.

I think you might find a lot of players will be buoyed by the off-field changes over the pre-season, assuming they get it right. They will certainly need everything in place asap to convince the important players to hang around. So I will be surprised if there are to many players who decide to jump ship - some may be pushed however. The players will also feel some responsibility, and will want the opportunity to atone.

I agree with you on most parts but the highlighted is up for debate.

Jon Anderson wrote in the HS that Bailey was set to be reappointed by years end. (This was before the contest) If that loss never occurred, I'm certain he would have stayed on for atleast another year.

They would have made progress on last year, they are quite inconsistent but they have improved on last year and I'm certain that would have been good enough for atleast a one year renewal of his contract.

He should have stayed out the year, and had his head chopped along with others at years end. He is just a plain old scapegoat now, and it's pretty crappy too see.

 

[LegendakaRICHO]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Go For: Sylvia Frawley Gawn Martin Scully mckenzie moloney

il like for us to go after one of these players atleast. prefer gawn but any will be a welcome addition

 

[Delids]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

We get Cameron who was a disaster at Freo & Dees
Dees get, Swab who was disaster at Richmond and Freo and Royal who was also a disaster at Tigers

When will clubs learn, dont go simply go after the people are available as they are available for a reason.
Go for the best and poach them across.
I think we need to get guys like, M Neeld, N Balme etc Use this FTF money to get the right people in charge.

Both Richmond & Dees are laughing stocks. Football Clubs are now a business/Institutions and if u have second rate peopl running the show you will get second rate results!

Plus I dont think our supporters should be having a crack at Melbourne situation we maybe in the same situation this time next year.

 

[Rustof]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

What a joke. Everyone that played that day should be dropped too then, excluding a few that weren't absolutely horrible.

It was obvious Bailey wasn't the one to lead them to finals contention and possible premierships but what good does sacking him now do? Why did they even hire a coach if all they were gonna do during his reign is tank then sack him after they've done tanking.

 

[thecotch]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Sacking Bailey was wrong. It was too reactive. He did have to go, but along with many others.

Terrible loss, unbelievable loss actually…

But when will clubs begin to accept that a coach is simply not entirely responsible for such an inept performance like that?

Melbourne is better than that and so is Dean Bailey. Unfortunately there are certain positions that need to be protected and that’s why the coach is ALWAYS first to go.

What responsibility have the players taken? What about the assistant coaches, development coaches, football manager, opposition analysts and the board themselves. Bailey should go at the end of the year, but so should many others and unfortunately they have used this man as a scapegoat just to calm the media pressure whilst pumping some ego's at the same time. It's absolute bullshit. So many jobs should be put into question. This team has had so many top selections at the draft table, and four years into their ‘development’ they manage to lose by 186 points. Where will the pain end for their supporters?

Hopefully it lasts a little longer.

I want Richmond to pick apart their carcass and take away either Stefan Martin or Max Gawn, I want Martin.

If Melbourne are willing to live by the sword, they have to accept dying by the sword.

Thoughts?

Sadly, everywhere Brian Royal goes disaster is sure to follow. He's cursed!!!

 

[Greggy]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

I say we go hard for Scully, he may be GWS bound but we should still throw some cash his way and see what happens.

 

[nut]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Before you all get lost in the fantasy world please please atleast make it a little realistic and add what you are prepared to give up for player x....

Those suggesting Scully.... seriously FFS. It would cost either Cotchin or Martin. We wouldn't even beable to match the compensation picks Melbourne would get from GWS...

... and for what???? a player who is slidding down the same path as Cooney at 19 years old.

 

[MR]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Before you all get lost in the fantasy world please please atleast make it a little realistic and add what you are prepared to give up for player x....

Those suggesting Scully.... seriously FFS. It would cost either Cotchin or Martin. We wouldn't even beable to match the compensation picks Melbourne would get from GWS...

... and for what???? a player who is slidding down the same path as Cooney at 19 years old.

Cooney won a brownlow. If we could land a brownlow medalist for a first and second pick, and possibly a tuck or edwards, I'd be stoked.

 

[TheProwler]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Cooney won a brownlow. If we could land a brownlow medalist for a first and second pick, and possibly a tuck or edwards, I'd be stoked.

Nathan Brown all over again, no thanks

 

[Kyusss]

Re: Let's Pick Apart The Melbourne Carcass...

Nathan Brown all over again, no thanks

Nathan Brown was the best player in the competition the year he broke his leg

 

[Neen]

Not the coach's fault. But someone had to take responsibility. Much like Robert Walls after the Crows smashed us at AAMI all those years ago !

Rumor is the players were not happy with the decision to move on the older players, in particular - McDonald. Left the team void of quality leaders. What do you tell the players - "We are sacking the older players, so harden up ?"

We are at the same stage of development as Melbourne (on and off the field) - the major difference is that we have a coach that has been there for only 18 months.

I would hate to think of what could happen if Richmond lost that game rather than Melbourne (by that margin). It really is a "Where were you when Melbourne lost by over 180 points.." I really feel for Dean Bailey.. and then he mentions that he was coaching for draft picks on his way out. That is a huge swipe at the people that sacked him.

If the players are unhappy and WANT to leave - I'd take Stefan Martin.

 

[TheProwler]

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Nathan Brown was the best player in the competition the year he broke his leg

Yeah and we sold the farm for him, I am tipping that won't be happening again

 

[dothebowdenshuffle]

Before you all get lost in the fantasy world please please atleast make it a little realistic and add what you are prepared to give up for player x....

Those suggesting Scully.... seriously FFS. It would cost either Cotchin or Martin. We wouldn't even beable to match the compensation picks Melbourne would get from GWS...

... and for what???? a player who is slidding down the same path as Cooney at 19 years old.

Nathan Brown all over again, no thanks

Agree with these posts. Forget Scully, GWS would have far more resources to offer in terms of $$$ and picks than we could match and fair bet Benny and co are not willing to upset the order of things by paying Scully a ridiculous salary considering he's played all of about 30 games to date

 

[Tiger2709]

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You already got Brad Miller and Craig Cameron, isn't that enough for you?

As for pinching our ruckmen, haven't you learned your lesson about trading for ex-Melbourne ruckmen after Troy Simmonds and Steven O'Dwyer?

Dean Bailey wasn't going to take us forward. Maybe you should have kept Terry Wallace, in that case.

Cant see any advantage sacking him now, you may still make the finals and Viney has said he doesn't want the job permanently, especially while resigning the CEO, very odd results from that board meeting.

 

[tigerfoxgurl]

Scully supported Richmond as a kid. Not everything is about money. Might be able to do a deal with GWS to get him to Richmond. On trade some players. They can have their pick of Jackson, Edwards, Nahas, Foley, Tuck, Grigg, Connors, Thursfield, McGuane etc. Two players or a player and a second round draft pick. Any deal GWS does costs them nothing so its all win for them.

 

[Mr Magic]

I would think some of the senior Melbourne players wold have to be shown the door after this circus at years end. Interesting to see who goes and lessons the Tigers can learn from a developing side!

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Scully supported Richmond as a kid. Not everything is about money. Might be able to do a deal with GWS to get him to Richmond. On trade some players. They can have their pick of Jackson, Edwards, Nahas, Foley, Tuck, Grigg, Connors, Thursfield, McGuane etc. Two players or a player and a second round draft pick. Any deal GWS does costs them nothing so its all win for them.

I think Sheedy would laugh at 'have a pick' of that lot. More like we'll take the lot, and even then I think he would look at what Scully would offer in the next 5 years or more, and say, 'nah, keep 'em!'

 

[hyperfuzz]

i'm guessing the bailey decision was probably a reaction to the crows looking for a new coach. they had the perfect opportunity to give him an early exit with the 31-goal thumping and now adelaide don't have a two month head start on luring the best coach available over there.

 

[jihg]

SO long as Schwab is at the club they are stuffed.

 

[tigerfoxgurl]

I think Sheedy would laugh at 'have a pick' of that lot. More like we'll take the lot, and even then I think he would look at what Scully would offer in the next 5 years or more, and say, 'nah, keep 'em!'

Except if Scully said I only want to go to Richmond.

Then they have a choice to make the deal or get nothing.

Of course people will quip that nothing is better.....

 

[tigerdan]

i'm guessing the bailey decision was probably a reaction to the crows looking for a new coach. they had the perfect opportunity to give him an early exit with the 31-goal thumping and now adelaide don't have a two month head start on luring the best coach available over there.

You've got it in a nutshell.

No club wants to be like we were when the only choice we had was that idiot Frawley. The new fad is to sack your coach before anyone else does so that you can get the best available one before any other club.