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Good point didnt realise that
164 + 164 = 328k
328/3 (trades) = 109.33 ~ 110k per trade
Also you may not need to trade Anthony down, Just upgrade him through the money you have or via another rookie downgrade.
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Good point didnt realise that
164 + 164 = 328k
328/3 (trades) = 109.33 ~ 110k per trade
Also you may not need to trade Anthony down, Just upgrade him through the money you have or via another rookie downgrade.
So you're saying, say I have Beams, Anthony, Otten, Rich in my midfield(2 starting), which I do. I shouldn't trade out Anthony ->Zaharakus who will be on the price rise. Then at some stage look to bring in Anthony for Otten before Anthony's 3rd game. Then with the cash, upgrade Rich to a Gun and then start 1 of Beams/Anthony/Zaharakus whilst the other 2 generate me more cash... Eventually 1 of my Mid rookies will then be upgraded to a gun and I'll have an elite midfield using 5 trades with 1 cash cow still on my bench to upgrade 1 of my 3 remaining non-keepers.
Yeah Tippaz just because it didnt work out for you last year doesn't mean it wont work this year.
What if Anthony continues to struggle to get back, what if Zaha averages 85 for the year.
What if Anthony continues to struggle to get back, what if Zaha averages 85 for the year.
I have: 3 Premiums + Rich, Otten, Robinson (Ziebiell, Anthony) and 0 trades used, but to maintain my cashcows was thinking:
Anthony ---> Zaharakis
and maybeDawson/Hill/Petrenko ----> Rance
Ziebiell/Robinson --------> Beams
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You can't make a blanket statement like that based on one example.
Based on how Beams went last night I will definitely be trading Anthony for him next week.
That gives me a player on my bench who hopefully will score around 80 odd each week while making me $$.
You can't make a blanket statement like that based on one example.
I agree completely.
Beams scored 84 last night, for those who don't know, and I was really impressed with his game. He didn't make too many mistakes, he looked composed and in my opinion he was one of the Pies best.
Of course, this also means Beams is going to skyrocket in price next week
. If you haven't got him yet, now would probably be a good time to do it.I still can't believe I had Anthony in my team all pre-season, then traded him out for Beams, even though Anthony was playing and Beams was an emergency. Looking back, it was a really stupid thing to do, but I had a bad gut feeling about Anthony.
I'm glad I stuck to my gut instinct now...
I have Petrenko, Cheney, Hurley (back soon), Rich, Beams, Robinson, Ziebell, Brown and Walker making me cash. Not sure if I should trade Anthony to Zaharakis next week.
Same here, mainly because I'm already starting two rookies in the mids so I need another back up. Beams was awesome last night. MM played him in the square aswell so he should keep scoring well.
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Thanks ok for people who have neither, not good for me as I already have Beams
Zaha seems a goer for me, carlton dont hand out DT points, and Zaha still got a solid rookie score against them.
faith in Anthony, won't be pulling the trigger to Beams (I've decided) simply because to make the sideways rookie trade worthwhile Beams would need to rise in price to about 315k which is an average of around 75. Don't think he can do it.
Im interested here. Is this based on the 300 points/100k value of a trade, system of thinking?
I think if you have pencilled in 13-14 trades for upgrades, then you can afford to use one for squad adjustments. And i think with hill, suban, walker, brown (for me) not generating alot of cash, that zaharakis would be a good addition to my bench, even if he does not meet this requirement (300pts/100k).
Im still undecided though.
It's based on even a 'dud' rookie (Hentschel, Walker, Brown, Broughton etc) being able, imo, to average near 50 which translates to easy 200k price and about a 115k profit.
For a venture to pay off (sideways rookie trade) I would want twice that profit ie 230k profit.
For now, I am about 50-50 on it. It really depends on how Walker, Ziebell, and Broughton go; if say two of them score 60s then I will back my original eight rookies to have enough oomph to fund upgrades.
I am particularly looking at my forwards. E.g. if one of Walker or Brown or Ziebell can rise reasonably quickly in price by say round 8 or thereabouts when Sidebottom or Yarran or Ballantyne is ripe, then I will have both a good downgrade target target as well as a fairly decent (say 120-130k) profit off a rookie which is all I'm looking for. That much profit per downgrade trade is enough to fund further acquisitions (as long as the downgrade target, Yarran/Ballantyne etc is a decent proposition himself - I believe in two waves of cash cows). If I can get that going on I do not need both Robinson & Beams in the mid as one of them will suffice for first upgrade purposes and I can let Anthony - in whom I have much faith - become a second wave cash cow.
For a venture to pay off (sideways rookie trade) I would want twice that profit ie 230k profit.
For now, I am about 50-50 on it. It really depends on how Walker, Ziebell, and Broughton go; if say two of them score 60s then I will back my original eight rookies to have enough oomph to fund upgrades.
I am particularly looking at my forwards. E.g. if one of Walker or Brown or Ziebell can rise reasonably quickly in price by say round 8 or thereabouts when Sidebottom or Yarran or Ballantyne is ripe, then I will have both a good downgrade target target as well as a fairly decent (say 120-130k) profit off a rookie which is all I'm looking for. That much profit per downgrade trade is enough to fund further acquisitions (as long as the downgrade target, Yarran/Ballantyne etc is a decent proposition himself - I believe in two waves of cash cows). If I can get that going on I do not need both Robinson & Beams in the mid as one of them will suffice for first upgrade purposes and I can let Anthony - in whom I have much faith - become a second wave cash cow.
And this will mean that my team does not become set as fast as some players, but I firmly believe that trades in the second half of the season - though theoretically less in overall point value than trades in the first - are just as valuable, because of A) a common spate of injuries/restings in the last quarter of the season; B) the tendency of certain rookies to fall away towards the end of the season which leaves sides more exposed if their starters go down; and C) the fact that some players are well-known peakers near the end of a season; and D) the fact that trading halfway into a season means that you have more information to go on in terms of form, and also can take riskier bets on injury-prone players as there are fewer rounds left.
Good summary KidA.
By my estimations, I see 86k players peaking at:
170k with an average of 45
185k with an average of 50 = 100k profit
205k with an average of 55
So players like suban, walker, brown, hill could all be able to make some cash that is useable.
I think in my situation, where i also have beams who i can see making 150k, i think im pretty set for the first round of cows. And with steele, ballantyne and the midfield rookies (hartlett, cockie, swift any others that might debut) also likely to score ok, i think it may be possible to get through without a trade being made.
However, i think zaharakis could easily make 150k too, and i think this is worthwhile. I feel ok using to trade to adjust my squad a little, and due to my inexperience, i am a little worried about not having enough cash.
Im still undecided what i will do!!!
By my estimations, I see 86k players peaking at:
170k with an average of 45
185k with an average of 50 = 100k profit
205k with an average of 55
So players like suban, walker, brown, hill could all be able to make some cash that is useable.
I think in my situation, where i also have beams who i can see making 150k, i think im pretty set for the first round of cows. And with steele, ballantyne and the midfield rookies (hartlett, cockie, swift any others that might debut) also likely to score ok, i think it may be possible to get through without a trade being made.
However, i think zaharakis could easily make 150k too, and i think this is worthwhile. I feel ok using to trade to adjust my squad a little, and due to my inexperience, i am a little worried about not having enough cash.
Im still undecided what i will do!!!
I see your peaks are a little long considering the magic number is currently 4400 and probably won't flatten much below 4000 but this likely is your clever way of taking into account the fact that a rookie will take some time to improve in price and depending on scores may never reach the actual rolling average value. So yes, it gets very tricky.
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having seen beams perform again - it is sooooo tempting
i swore i wouldn't and still probably won't - but gee it is tempting
i swore i wouldn't and still probably won't - but gee it is tempting
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Anthony seems to be making great progression with his injury and i would think he could possibly return for round 5 or 6. Im quite unsure whether to trade to Zaharakis as it makes you no money through the trade. I think trades are going to be very important but so is money.
You cant get premium players without money
but you also cant get premium players without trades
Im thinking that, Hill, Broughton, Suban, Beams, Walker, Brown and Jacobs will make more than enough money for me. Unfortunatly their deosnt seem to be many downgrade options, hopefully they arise.
I also think that people are forgetting about the Otten, Rich type players who are also cash cows. They are going to make insane amounts of money and you could trade them out to a 2 game rookie and than play Beams or Anthony knowing they will still post good scores.
It starts to get very interesting with trades now and players to bring in
You cant get premium players without money
but you also cant get premium players without trades
Im thinking that, Hill, Broughton, Suban, Beams, Walker, Brown and Jacobs will make more than enough money for me. Unfortunatly their deosnt seem to be many downgrade options, hopefully they arise.
I also think that people are forgetting about the Otten, Rich type players who are also cash cows. They are going to make insane amounts of money and you could trade them out to a 2 game rookie and than play Beams or Anthony knowing they will still post good scores.
It starts to get very interesting with trades now and players to bring in
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He'll will probably return through the VFL around round 6. A couple of weeks there and he should be back in the senior team. Which means his first price change will be after round 10-11.
That's plenty of time for Zaharakis to peak in value. If that is 300K for example, 2 trades used to bring in 210K ... maybe worth it. And with that cash, 2 or 3 potential upgrades.
That's plenty of time for Zaharakis to peak in value. If that is 300K for example, 2 trades used to bring in 210K ... maybe worth it. And with that cash, 2 or 3 potential upgrades.
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Thanks for that Benno.
Ive got Hill, Cheney, Broughton, Rich, Beams, Jacobs, Brown and Walker making me a good amount of cash, but Zaha is very tempting.
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What has swayed me to trade Anthony is that he should be a very solid future downgrade target. Its the intangible of having solid bench players for the second half of the year that play every game and will score solidly if required thats so appealling to me.
If I can bring in a player to top out at 280-300k (say 65-75 ave) then trade them back to Anthony for about a 200k profit and have a solid bench option, I think that is worth the two trades.
If I can bring in a player to top out at 280-300k (say 65-75 ave) then trade them back to Anthony for about a 200k profit and have a solid bench option, I think that is worth the two trades.
Option A
I can see beams topping out at 300k
Meaning a 220k profit which would take 2 trades to do
Also having another player to cover for any mid injuries
220k = 2 trades.
Option B
I can see Taylor Walking peaking at 225k at least meaning a 140k profit i can also see Mitch Brown reaching at least 200k meaning a 120k profit
260k = 2 trades.
Intresting Choices.
I can see beams topping out at 300k
Meaning a 220k profit which would take 2 trades to do
Also having another player to cover for any mid injuries
220k = 2 trades.
Option B
I can see Taylor Walking peaking at 225k at least meaning a 140k profit i can also see Mitch Brown reaching at least 200k meaning a 120k profit
260k = 2 trades.
Intresting Choices.
Arguably it could be seen as one trade.
As the second trade to get Anthony back is techically a trade you would have done anyway.
As your Rich/Robinson/Otten etc would eventually be downgraded to a new cash cow, so why not downgrade to an Anthony.
Having said that you would need your trade in to be the equivalent to an Anthony. Not sure if this way if calculating the trade's worth
So let me get this straight: If hypothetically we sideways trade Anthony -> Beams, then for the same number of trades (2), Beams has to make more money than Anthony + Another (Swift?)
I think I'd rather the combined money of Anthony + Swift than just Beams solo... I guess the difference with Beams solo is that it's cash up front.
I think I'd rather the combined money of Anthony + Swift than just Beams solo... I guess the difference with Beams solo is that it's cash up front.
^^^ Pretty much. The difference in going Beams straight away is more flexibility in terms of coverage (you have two playing mids) and more immediate cash. Whether this is particularly useful will depend on whether you have any current holes in your midfield (most of us don't), and whether you have enough other cash cows to provide the needed cash for your first round of upgrades. Right now I'm looking very much at a Robinson -> Sidebottom, Ziebell/Walker/Brown -> Ballantyne, Jacobs --> anyone (assuming Jacobs holds his spot), Broughton/Hill --> hopefully someone pops up here.