Player Watch Liam McMahon (Delisted 2022)

[Jen2310]

The app has him at 197cm and 88kg

 

[Harry O]

I wouldn’t throw the kid to the wolves - it’s unnecessary especially given his slight build.
He’s a “break glass in emergency” option IMO.

I remember a very skinny tall 17 year old forward for the Dogs taken with a late pick in the late eighties who kicked 50 in his debut year
Chris Grant. Didn’t hinder him long term being exposed to men early

 

[No SPIN]

I remember a very skinny tall 17 year old forward for the Dogs taken with a late pick in the late eighties who kicked 50 in his debut year
Chris Grant. Didn’t hinder him long term being exposed to men early

True - but for every Chris Grant there are 20 other failures

 

[Harry O]

True - but for every Chris Grant there are 20 other failures

Rather those odds than the odds of Darcy Cameron ever being anything other than a good state leaguer

 

[ClaytonM]

True - but for every Chris Grant there are 20 other failures

Yes but did they fail because they were exposed early. Doubt it.

Think the idea that early exposure will ruin a player is a myth.

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

Who was defending him? Was it dgb?

 

[No SPIN]

Yes but did they fail because they were exposed early. Doubt it.

Think the idea that early exposure will ruin a player is a myth.

what is the harm in waiting till he’s more physically ready?

 

[ClaytonM]

what is the harm in waiting till he’s more physically ready?

May delay his development.

 

[No SPIN]

May delay his development.

Dermie - played around 40 games in the 2nds before getting a game in the seniors. Haw delay exposing young kids to early so it’s no risk at all.

 

[sr36]

Yes but did they fail because they were exposed early. Doubt it.

Think the idea that early exposure will ruin a player is a myth.

I think it varies on the individual. Some kids thrive on early exposure whilst some just get their confidence smashed and end up conservative players who don't take the game on. Its about personality type.

 

[Apex36]

May delay his development.

The theory that developing a player in the VFL until they’re ready hurts their development is also a myth.

 

[Billys Back]

Rather those odds than the odds of Darcy Cameron ever being anything other than a good state leaguer

I think you’re a little harsh on Cameron. He has only played 10 games but has shown he can take a good grab. I think he’ll surprise you.

 

[sr36]

I think you’re a little harsh on Cameron. He has only played 10 games but has shown he can take a good grab. I think he’ll surprise you.

Yeah, I think he could already be a competent first ruck.

 

[Scodog10]

True - but for every Chris Grant there are 20 other failures

Not to mention the game was completely different 30 years ago so I think it would be wiser to look at his contemporaries. Cameron is the only 18-19 yo to play consistently good footy as a KPF in the past 2 decades. He kicked just shy of 30 in his debut year and was in the system from the age of 17.* I think that might be a more reasonable high end to hope for than the 50 goal debut season from Grant.

As to when he debuts if he keeps hitting the scoreboard at VFL level he’ll get a chance, but we aren’t picking him out of nowhere so to speak. I’m neither here nor there on what it means for his development because he’ll play when the coaching group think he’s ready.

*Hogan kicked 44 in his debut year, but he was 20 and in his 3rd year with Melbourne.

 

[Apex36]

I think you’re a little harsh on Cameron. He has only played 10 games but has shown he can take a good grab. I think he’ll surprise you.

On the flip side, he’s been in the system for how many years now? And he has only played 10 games...

 

[jackcass]

Not to mention the game was completely different 30 years ago so I think it would be wiser to look at his contemporaries. Cameron is the only 18-19 yo to play consistently good footy as a KPF in the past 2 decades. He kicked just shy of 30 in his debut year and was in the system from the age of 17.* I think that might be a more reasonable high end to hope for than the 50 goal debut season from Grant.

As to when he debuts if he keeps hitting the scoreboard at VFL level he’ll get a chance, but we aren’t picking him out of nowhere so to speak. I’m neither here nor there on what it means for his development because he’ll play when the coaching group think he’s ready.

*Hogan kicked 44 in his debut year, but he was 20 and in his 3rd year with Melbourne.

Ben King played 14 games and kicked 17 goals in his 1st year but for every Ben King there's a couple of Harry McKay types who debuted in his 2nd season, played 2 games, kicked 3 goals.

 

[sr36]

On the flip side, he’s been in the system for how many years now? And he has only played 10 games...

Lots of injuries at the Swans. Problem for him is that he's an AFL competent ruckman I think, but is playing as a forward

 

[Mark W]

Yeah, I think he could already be a competent first ruck.

Agreed, for me he is a ruck who is handy up forward, but for me Cameron's main problem is Cox and the lack of a Collingwood forward structure.


If we had a genuine gun mobile 40-50 goal a year KPF , a handy B grade CHF (Checkers), then Cameron could play 3rd tall/2nd ruck, would be good for a goal a game, and would be a threat cause he can take a nice contested mark, would give Grundy a chop out in the ruck, and we'd all be saying what a handy role player he is and likening him to David Hale or Leigh Brown.

The problem is that at Collingwood there is no gun KPF so we expect our rucks to be genuine KPF rather than 3rd tall, and thats a very tough gig when you are a genuine ruckman. The only two ruckman I can think of historically who were good enough to be genuine KPFs are early Salmon, and Peter Moore. The likes of the. Kings and Daniher might change that....OF course all these same arguments equally apply to Coxy, and there isnt room for both of them To play one ruckman as a KPF may be regarded as a misfortune, to play two ruckman in both KPF positions looks like carelessness

 

[Seedsfan]

Agreed, for me he is a ruck who is handy up forward, but for me Cameron's main problem is Cox and the lack of a Collingwood forward structure.


If we had a genuine gun mobile 40-50 goal a year KPF , a handy B grade CHF (Checkers), then Cameron could play 3rd tall/2nd ruck, would be good for a goal a game, and would be a threat cause he can take a nice contested mark, would give Grundy a chop out in the ruck, and we'd all be saying what a handy role player he is and likening him to David Hale or Leigh Brown.

The problem is that at Collingwood there is no gun KPF so we expect our rucks to be genuine KPF rather than 3rd tall, and thats a very tough gig when you are a genuine ruckman. The only two ruckman I can think of historically who were good enough to be genuine KPFs are early Salmon, and Peter Moore. The likes of the. Kings and Daniher might change that....OF course all these same arguments equally apply to Coxy, and there isnt room for both of them To play one ruckman as a KPF may be regarded as a misfortune, to play two ruckman in both KPF positions looks like carelessness

Wouldn’t liken him to Leroy more a Hale type

 

[Pedro]

Not to mention the game was completely different 30 years ago so I think it would be wiser to look at his contemporaries. Cameron is the only 18-19 yo to play consistently good footy as a KPF in the past 2 decades. He kicked just shy of 30 in his debut year and was in the system from the age of 17.* I think that might be a more reasonable high end to hope for than the 50 goal debut season from Grant.

As to when he debuts if he keeps hitting the scoreboard at VFL level he’ll get a chance, but we aren’t picking him out of nowhere so to speak. I’m neither here nor there on what it means for his development because he’ll play when the coaching group think he’s ready.

*Hogan kicked 44 in his debut year, but he was 20 and in his 3rd year with Melbourne.

Franklin is another, but they are rare in these days of mass congestion.

 

[loki04]

But likely played AFL footy for similar numbers of years so maybe it is.

Man strength and body vs boys, so no maybe its not.

 

[loki04]

They are obviously more talented than Cox, but they don't perform better than him yet. Are they more talented than Daniher and Hogan?

Their u18 years were yes.

 

[Black_White]

More flags than Grundy?

Grundy has a flag.

AFL 2019: Sydney Swans premiership player Heath Grundy announces his retirement

Premiership Swan pulls the pin after 256 games

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Black_White]

Dermie - played around 40 games in the 2nds before getting a game in the seniors. Haw delay exposing young kids to early so it’s no risk at all.

He did.
Remind me, what was the playing list cap back then?
Yeah......

 

[No SPIN]

He did.
Remind me, what was the playing list cap back then?
Yeah......

Not sure what you’re suggesting- we are debating whether keeping McMahon in the 2nds will delay his development. It clearly didn’t harm Dermie.