Traded Liam Ryan [Traded with 2027 R3 to St Kilda for 2026 R2 (Stk)]

[stallon]

I think you are incredibly bias to say Ryan is worth more than the trades I posted or the ANB trade last year. You will be setting yourself for disappointment.

Tom Mitchell was the same age as Ryan now and he was a Brownlow medalist that went for a second round pick.

Better yet, show us trades that resemble what you think he is worth.

And I haven’t posted that trade. That is a trade from fellow west coast fans.

I told you about the ANB comparison already, relative strength of the draft IS relevant.
North F1 bought them pick 27 and a f2 from Richmond.


North f1 couldve bought then ANB + a richmond f2.

If you can get us a high f1 pick we will give you Ryan and a f2, hows that?

Liam Henry traded for future second

Ryan worth more than Henry, more proven. Henry had like 3 good games before being traded here

Taylor Adams traded for 33

The bloke who couldnt get a game?

Lachie Hunter traded for a third rounder

Who?

Jack Billings traded for a third rounder

Lol.

Ben Long traded for a second rounder with a F4 going back to GC

Was on the outer

Bobby Hill traded for practically a f2 with clubs also swapping 40 +43.

Bobby wasnt a well established good player yet

Lipinski traded for p43.

Lol.

 

[stavro#4]

I told you about the ANB comparison already, relative strength of the draft IS relevant.
North F1 bought them pick 27 and a f2 from Richmond.


North f1 couldve bought then ANB + a richmond f2.

If you can get us a high f1 pick we will give you Ryan and a f2, hows that?



Ryan worth more than Henry, more proven. Henry had like 3 good games before being traded here

The bloke who couldnt get a game?

Who?

Lol.

Was on the outer

Bobby wasnt a well established good player yet

Lol.

You can’t claim on one hand he is more proven and dismiss potential of the likes of Henry, Hill or Long - who were wanted by both sides.

Adams was a lock in Collingwood 22 each year until injury.

 

[stallon]

You can’t claim on one hand he is more proven and dismiss potential of the likes of Henry, Hill or Long - who were wanted by both sides.

Ryan is simply more valuable than those 3 at the time of the trades, idk what else to say to you big dawg.

Btw, no response to my proposed trade?
A high f1 pick for Ryan + our f2?

Thats fair based off a recent trade isnt it?

Adams was a lock in Collingwood 22 each year until injury.

Adams was on the outer because he missed the grand final, and was very injury prone. They didnt need or want him anymore

 

[stavro#4]

Ryan is simply more valuable than those 3 at the time of the trades, idk what else to say to you big dawg.

Btw, no response to my proposed trade?
A high f1 pick for Ryan + our f2?

Thats fair based off a recent trade isnt it?

Adams was on the outer because he missed the grand final, and was very injury prone. They didnt need or want him anymore

No chance are we giving you 7 for a f2 and Ryan

 

[txbyhull]

I don’t know if Saints fans realise we have genuinely zero need for a 2nd rounder or F2

 

[stavro#4]

I don’t know if Saints fans realise we have genuinely zero need for a 2nd rounder or F2

How can you claim you don’t have a need for picks in next years draft?

 

[stallon]

No chance are we giving you 7 for a f2 and Ryan

Is that not fair based off a very recent trade?

Isnt that the argument youve been using the whole time?

I don’t know if Saints fans realise we have genuinely zero need for a 2nd rounder or F2

Ikr.
Ive only said it multiple times in here already too

 

[stallon]

How can you claim you don’t have a need for picks in next years draft?

We have 2 NGAs and a f/s who are likely to be in that late 1st to 3rd round part of the draft next year. We will also have a first round pick naturally.

We are finished with the big list turnovers of the last few years. 4 picks in the draft will be plenty, list spots getting tight too with fewer and fewer spuds to delist, its mostly all kids coming OOC soon

 

[The Gtrain]

How about Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

for Ryan?

 

[stavro#4]

Is that not fair based off a very recent trade?

Isnt that the argument youve been using the whole time?


Ikr.
Ive only said it multiple times in here already too

Which trade are you using as a reference here?

Because you conveniently ignored

“Tom Mitchell was the same age as Ryan now and he was a Brownlow medalist that went for a second round pick.”

 

[WilloTree]

I'd be a but surprised if Eagles get Pick 7 for Ryan.

Just a guess, but i'd say f2 with some other pick swaps.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

How about Hunter Clark for Ryan?

Feel like that might work for us, but I doubt eagles would be keen.

 

[stavro#4]

We have 2 NGAs and a f/s who are likely to be in that late 1st to 3rd round part of the draft next year. We will also have a first round pick naturally.

We are finished with the big list turnovers of the last few years. 4 picks in the draft will be plenty, list spots getting tight too with fewer and fewer spuds to delist, its mostly all kids coming OOC soon

Finished with a big list turnover?

Mate, you won a single game all year. You are going to need more than this draft and next to get to where you want to go.

 

[The Gtrain]

Feel like that might work for us, but I doubt eagles would be keen.

Or Keeler

 

[stallon]

Which trade are you using as a reference here?

Because you conveniently ignored

“Tom Mitchell was the same age as Ryan now and he was a Brownlow medalist that went for a second round pick.”

Tom Mitchell wasnt playing like a brownlow medallist, the Hawks wanted to offload him so they could play more young mids lmao.

Come on dude you can find a better example than that

We do NOT want to give up Liam Ryan, just to make sure you are aware. You guys really want him, hence 4 years on the table.

 

[stallon]

Finished with a big list turnover?

Yes

Mate, you won a single game all year. You are going to need more than this draft and next to get to where you want to go.

The list is mostly kids.

Youngest and most inexperienced list by FAR this year, Essendon was the second youngest(still a lot more experienced than us though) because they had a heap of injuries.
Our best few players missed huge chunks of the year.
The only thing our list is missing is a couple more top picks and a couple of players in their mid 20s to help carry the load, then time.

If you want to make silly statements like you just did here go for it, but im trying to talk to you in good faith here

 

[stavro#4]

Tom Mitchell wasnt playing like a brownlow medallist, the Hawks wanted to offload him so they could play more young mids lmao.

Come on dude you can find a better example than that

We do NOT want to give up Liam Ryan, just to make sure you are aware. You guys really want him, hence 4 years on the table.

Ryan isn’t playing like an all Australian mate

He averages 11 disposals and a goal for the worst side in decades who only won a single game.

Hopefully you can understand the similarities in trades now. He might be one of your best players. That doesn’t mean a heap compared to the league

 

[stavro#4]

Yes

The list is mostly kids.

Youngest and most inexperienced list by FAR this year, Essendon was the second youngest(still a lot more experienced than us though) because they had a heap of injuries.
Our best few players missed huge chunks of the year.
The only thing our list is missing is a couple more top picks and a couple of players in their mid 20s to help carry the load, then time.

If you want to make silly statements like you just did here go for it, but im trying to talk to you in good faith here

Mate I’m talking to you in good faith. It’s insane optimism to think 4 draft focus seasons is going to be enough for you guys.

We have just done 4 heavily focused draft offseason and we are ahead of you and still require more.

You are significantly further back

 

[BrutThough]

Id strongly argue Macrae was NOT valued higher than Ryan at the time of trade either, he was played at half forward and stuff

Go on. Give it a go.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

I don’t know if Saints fans realise we have genuinely zero need for a 2nd rounder or F2

I actually wouldn't mind a decent second rounder this year, provided it was immediately used to get us the port R1 from GC without having to include the hawks R1 as part of the deal. Three top ten picks plus pick 13 (all prior to bids of course) would go down real smooth.

Problem is, saints don't have their second rounder.

 

[stallon]

Ryan isn’t playing like an all Australian mate

He averages 11 disposals and a goal for the worst side in decades who only won a single game.

Hopefully you can understand the similarities in trades now. He might be one of your best players. That doesn’t mean a heap compared to the league

Jesus christ dude

Do you forget things the moment theyre more than 2 replies in the past?

Ryan plays as a forward, in the worst performing team this year. 11 disposals and a goal a game is a very decent return

Mate I’m talking to you in good faith. It’s insane optimism to think 4 draft focus seasons is going to be enough for you guys.

We have just done 4 heavily focused draft offseason and we are ahead of you and still require more.

You are significantly further back

We have drafted an insane amount in recent year, our players are just too young and inexperienced to do it all right now.
We dont have the players in their mid to late 20s to carry the load like other clubs do, especially in the midfield where we were relying on players 21 and under for most of the year.
Thats the difference
We are not far off

Go on. Give it a go.

Wasnt used in the middle, dropped to the VFL, Dogs tried to move past him(hes slow).
Macrae is a player whose fall off at the Dogs I am very familiar with

Have a read bud:

‘Very tough decision’: New Saint opens up on trade saga... and rediscovering his ‘best footy’

‘Very tough decision’: New Saint opens up on trade saga... and rediscovering his ‘best footy’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[stavro#4]

Jesus christ dude

Do you forget things the moment theyre more than 2 replies in the past?

Ryan plays as a forward, in the worst performing team this year. 11 disposals and a goal a game is a very decent return


We have drafted an insane amount in recent year, our players are just too young and inexperienced to do it all right now.
We dont have the players in their mid to late 20s to carry the load like other clubs do, especially in the midfield where we were relying on players 21 and under for most of the year.
Thats the difference
We are not far off


Wasnt used in the middle, dropped to the VFL, Dogs tried to move past him(hes slow).
Macrae is a player whose fall off at the Dogs I am very familiar with

Have a read bud:

‘Very tough decision’: New Saint opens up on trade saga... and rediscovering his ‘best footy’

‘Very tough decision’: New Saint opens up on trade saga... and rediscovering his ‘best footy’

www.foxsports.com.au

Mate, Dan Butler averaged a goal a game this year. We were shit all year.

He isn’t worth a first round pick. Henry and his 1 goal and 11 touches isn’t worth a frp. Like that’s not being rude.

That’s just pretty factual at this point.

Being in your top 10 players doesn’t mean alot when you lack so much talent. He is also 29 by the time trade period opens. It would be really poor list management to trade a first for him, especially compared to Flanders and Cmac who are younger

 

[bzparkes]

Which trade are you using as a reference here?

Because you conveniently ignored

“Tom Mitchell was the same age as Ryan now and he was a Brownlow medalist that went for a second round pick.”

And?

He won the Brownlow before he broke his leg and Mitchell couldn't wait to get rid of him.

 

[stavro#4]

And?

He won the Brownlow before he broke his leg and Mitchell couldn't wait to get rid of him.

And literally taken from your board are people saying that Ryan is slowing down. Not leaping as high, not the same player he was a few years ago etc.

 

[BrutThough]

Wasnt used in the middle, dropped to the VFL, Dogs tried to move past him(hes slow).
Macrae is a player whose fall off at the Dogs I am very familiar with

Have a read bud:

‘Very tough decision’: New Saint opens up on trade saga... and rediscovering his ‘best footy’

‘Very tough decision’: New Saint opens up on trade saga... and rediscovering his ‘best footy’

www.foxsports.com.au

None of that explains any reason why Liam Ryan would be worth more or why a 2nd rounder wouldn't be enough.