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We are heading back to the 50's, backyard abortions, Uni's only for the rich not the smart, no workers rights, next I am tipping, no help with childcare so mothers have to stay at home, homosexuality being outlawed. :mad:

Edit: Seems Family first are being repaid.
 
mantis said:
We are heading back to the 50's, backyard abortions, Uni's only for the rich not the smart, no workers rights, next I am tipping, no help with childcare so mothers have to stay at home, homosexuality being outlawed. :mad:

Edit: Seems Family first are being repaid.
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I have heard that the Nats are very very restless and unhappy with all these changes afoot.

Would serve the arrogant Howard right if the Nats decided to be a separate entity.

The Libs could not govern in their own right without the nats, but they seem to be bullying them into things they dont want to do, and know a few are actually standing up to them.


Should be interesting to watch the fallout. I hope the Nats have that good old Aussie backbone the country people are known for.
 
mantis said:
We are heading back to the 50's, backyard abortions, Uni's only for the rich not the smart, no workers rights, next I am tipping, no help with childcare so mothers have to stay at home, homosexuality being outlawed. :mad:

Edit: Seems Family first are being repaid.
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Iv said it often, but Il repeat myself.

We are heading towards Totalitarianism.




Family first should not have won a seat. If anyone who voted for them knew what they stood for, they would have been lucky to poll over 1000 votes. To think they are now in a position of power is truly frightening.
 

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Dry Rot said:
Didn't the Coaltion get a majority in the Senate? What's this got to do with Family First? They'd probably oppose some of the Coalition's plans.
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Didn't they direct their preferences to the scum?
 
The National Party would never consider breaking away from the Liberal Party, because they would be destroyed as a political entity. Anyway, what makes you think that they don't support the policies of their government, especially seeing as most of them are more socially conservative than the Liberals?
 
Tim56 said:
The National Party would never consider breaking away from the Liberal Party, because they would be destroyed as a political entity. Anyway, what makes you think that they don't support the policies of their government, especially seeing as most of them are more socially conservative than the Liberals?
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I was listening to ABC radio over the last few weeks thats why.When they interview Abbott or someone, after the elction if they don't like the question there is stony silence, and it can be a nothing question.The NAts are furious over the Sale of Telestra and services in the bush.Telstra services are substandard now,the Finance Minister yesterday said that when they sell Telestra, they don't care how or what the NAts want to spend it on, it ain't going to bush services.NAt pollies have been on and are very very concerned on a number of issues.The Nat senator holds the balance of power. He lives in remote Qld in St George, he knows how bad the services are in the bush, he lives there.

I can't even get broadband, because Telestra wont spend $10 on an upgrade of 1 part at my local exchange.What the hell willl happen when they are fully private.I live only $100 k from Brisbane, I am not remote or outback Australai, I can see the GlassHouse Mountains from my front garden?


I think this arrogance and ignoring of the Nats and who they stand for may see the Libs in a spot of bother.


The Nats aren't silly, if the people that voted for them are angry,they know they wont get back in, why committ political suicide just to please Howard and co.Howard should at least not hit them over the head and say u willdo it our way.He is a distator at all levels,and it will be the parties undoing.


Lets just wait and see.
 
look i think all the bleating moonbats are right, there should be compulsory student unionism at uni, students should be forced to pay their money against their will to unkempt, hairy legged, moustachioed feral 'women'.

this money can then go to supporting all those radical left-wing positions these ferals are famous for, it can pay for the rent-a-crowd bus trips to detention centres, forest hug-ins, demos against coalition pollies etc.

this is australia and we should all support the undeserving and down trodden.....it's tradition.
 
agitator said:
look i think all the bleating moonbats are right, there should be compulsory student unionism at uni, students should be forced to pay their money against their will to unkempt, hairy legged, moustachioed feral 'women'.

this money can then go to supporting all those radical left-wing positions these ferals are famous for, it can pay for the rent-a-crowd bus trips to detention centres, forest hug-ins, demos against coalition pollies etc.

this is australia and we should all support the undeserving and down trodden.....it's tradition.
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Ironic that lefty hypocrites who claim poor students will suffer under the reformed higher education system are the very same people who endorse charging $400-odd of COMPULSORY UPFRONT FEES to those same poor students.

As a student, I'm forced to pay $400 to a union I don't necessarily want to belong to, and if I don't pay it UPFRONT I'm kicked out of myy degree. And all you socialists/Labor supporters support that. And then those same people complain when students have no money.

On the other hand, all the Coalition government is asking you to do is pay for your own degree, which is a service you actually DO get, so it's fair enough to ask you to pay for it. And to be even more fair, they ask you to pay it only after you've made certain amounts of money, (therefore you've already benefitted from the service). Sounds far more fair than compulsory student union fees

Hypocrisy at it's absolute worst from the left.
 
Nelson said the only reason they want the Unis under the banner of the Commonwealth is that the states aren't letting them work with Private Enterprise. I have not a clue which rock he is hiding under, our family has been involved with 4 Unis in Qld and all of them even the underresource USC have thriving enterprises with local and interantional business and governments.


If they get them under their banner, they will merge them and god knws what else.


This mob thinks its ok to have full fee paying course for people who aren't at the same standard as the kids in the same course which is HECS based.
 
MillerCHF said:
:D

Ironic that lefty hypocrites who claim poor students will suffer under the reformed higher education system are the very same people who endorse charging $400-odd of COMPULSORY UPFRONT FEES to those same poor students.

Hypocrisy at it's absolute worst.
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I am at uni doing a Grad Cert and my fees are under $100,my son is full time doing a Degree and his are just over $100.Don't know where u get those figures from.
 

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DaveW said:
Not all of us.

I'd be quite happy to see compulsory student unionism abolished.
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Serious? Well I guess this proves that politics isn't all black & white, and that people will 'cross the floor' on certain issues.

I happen to be left of centre on a few issues, just haven't got around to discussing them on BF (no doubt Dan Warna or BlueMark will respond by accusing me of lying).

But I applaud you (and MightyFighting) on supporting the abolition of compulsory student unionism.
 
DaveW said:
I'd be quite happy to see compulsory student unionism abolished.
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Indeed, compulsory student unionism has no justification. However, if its done like it was in WA (under Court) where the Guilds lost thousands of members but were then legally obliged to continue to provide a number of services (not all) to non-members then its got problems; it seemed entirely bent on the destruction of the student unions entire, not just making them voluntary.

Mind you, the Court government might have been the most hated I can ever remember - they lost seats to the ALP that Labor hadn't held in half a century. The next WA state election will be like the '98 Federal election; the incumbents might not be popular, but noone's that ready to let that other bunch of loonies back in just yet.
 
Its a hard one.

Student unions provide a lot of infrastructure to students.

as a student at monash, melbourne and VUT at various times (B.Sc, B.App eco, and I withdrew from the MBA for family and work reasons) I am thankful for the social, infrastructure provided by the student union, as well as the additional library resources, the computing resources, etc

I think we won't appreciate the value of student unionism until its gone.

and its not a hot bed of leftism, a lot of liberal politicians have come through the student union political system, including the current federal treasurer.

I think if you take away the funding, you end up with a bunch of politician proto geeks BUT no services which is a worry.

cheers

Dan
 

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Dry Rot said:
From memory, the ALP did in Victoria.
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Thats correct and Brown heaped scorn on the ALP for prefrencing them ahead of the greens .
 
I'll add another name to the people who don't support compulsory student unionism.

I'm aiming at getting to Melbourne next year, because they have the best courses for what I want to do. Don't know how I'm going to afford that sort of cash up front.

Can someone describe the next proposed 'reforms' of the uni system?

BTW - Mightyfighting - if you don't think you're a 'hard leftist', you'd know better than me, mate. :)
 
CharlieG said:
I'll add another name to the people who don't support compulsory student unionism.

I'm aiming at getting to Melbourne next year, because they have the best courses for what I want to do. Don't know how I'm going to afford that sort of cash up front.

Can someone describe the next proposed 'reforms' of the uni system?

BTW - Mightyfighting - if you don't think you're a 'hard leftist', you'd know better than me, mate. :)
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I'm sorry to say you'll have to pay the $400-odd next year, but with the Liberals promising to push through all the reforms they were unable to pass previously, I'm happy to say you'll probably get the chance to spend your money on something YOU want to spend it on in 2006.
Best of luck with getting into Melbourne.
 
I'm stunned. The amount of support here from left-wingers for the abolition of compulsory student unionism is staggering. It seems there's a lot more support for this than I realised.

Having said that, there will still be a huge outcry from the left-wing student movements when the bill is finally passed through the senate, in particular from the extreme-left. This is because they will no longer have the money flowing through to run all their extremist political campaigns. Remember, only about 5% of students ever vote in student elections, meaning the socialists generally get a free ride into power, and with it they get control of millions of dollars that they can spend on whatever they want because there is no accountability. Under voluntary student unionism, this will change. Even the National Union of Students has admitted that they will be in a lot of trouble when the new law comes through, and given they are more useless than the UN in representing their constituents and ******** more money up against the wall than any other organisation in Australia, that can only be a good thing.
 
MillerCHF said:
******** more money up against the wall
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A question for the mods: Why is p1ss considered an offensive word? How are you meant to say stuff like I got p1ssed the other night if the word keeps getting blanked out?
 
MillerCHF said:
I'm sorry to say you'll have to pay the $400-odd next year, but with the Liberals promising to push through all the reforms they were unable to pass previously, I'm happy to say you'll probably get the chance to spend your money on something YOU want to spend it on in 2006.
Best of luck with getting into Melbourne.
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Could always screw up the exams, take next year off, then pay his way through Uni on mum and dad's money - how far will the $400 go?
 

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