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craigos said:
I don't have a mortgage or kids and I have gone back to study but have had to defer again. I couldn't afford to live with a part time job and my full time workload keeps increasing so it's not as easy for everyone to just stop and chase a dream.

If I still lived in the same country as my parents it would be a piece of cake to just move in for a year or two, live on their estate and study full time.
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Their 'estate.' Winery, per chance, Rupert?
 
craigos said:
I don't have a mortgage or kids and I have gone back to study but have had to defer again. I couldn't afford to live with a part time job and my full time workload keeps increasing so it's not as easy for everyone to just stop and chase a dream.

If I still lived in the same country as my parents it would be a piece of cake to just move in for a year or two, live on their estate and study full time.
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You're married or neh?
 
craigos said:
Negative but may as well be I guess. If I was single with zero responsibilities it'd be interesting to see where I would be.
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Yeah the freedom to change your lifestyle is a good trade-off for the crushing loneliness. I hope you get to go back to your studies man, as the great Eminem said, you only get one shot.
 

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craigos said:
Council estate.


Negative but may as well be I guess. If I was single with zero responsibilities it'd be interesting to see where I would be.
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My relationship has been heading downhill for a bit for various reasons, part of me doesn't want to rectify the issues because the opportunity to have freedom and ambition is so very alluring.
 
perthblue said:
Yeah the freedom to change your lifestyle is a good trade-off for the crushing loneliness. I hope you get to go back to your studies man, as the great Eminem said, you only get one shot.
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I will eventually, I'm trying to diversify a bit and even do a bit of hands on mechanical type stuff (which I enjoy) as I reckon it'd be great to have that kind of balance in your life. Also means if one industry you work in is dying you're not going to end up giving handjobs to the homelsss.

ioppolo said:
My relationship has been heading downhill for a bit for various reasons, part of me doesn't want to rectify the issues because the opportunity to have freedom and ambition is so very alluring.
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I often have this discussion internally but the fact is that my laaaaaaaaaady is really supportive so if I really wanted to make a massive change I am sure she would not kill me in my sleep. Probably wouldn't be happy but am sure a comprimise could be reached.

What would you do differently if you were single compared to what you do now?
 
I'm pretty fortunate, and I know it and appreciate it. I am happy, I earn good money, so does my wife. Our kids are easy and cool. We live in a good suburb, have great family and friends. No complaints....

...except one.

I've just turned 40, and in pretty good shape. I exercise a lot, probably drink a bit too much, but eat well, don't smoke, drink a heap of water, count calories, fibre etc. But assume we live longer and longer, I'm probably going to live to around 85 or more with modern medicine. So why is it that every single day for the last 5 or 6 years I've been waking up with some sort of pain?? Calves, shoulder, back, neck, etc. I feel good once I get up and get moving, stretch and warm up, but I can't remember the last time I woke up to the alarm, moved slightly and felt great! And then my physio says that although I have these muscular issues, I'm much better off than my fat, unfit mates who are in all sorts at the same age of life.

So the experts are telling me that we all wake up in some sort of discomfort for way more than half our lives? Are humans built that poorly??

Yeah, first world issues I know, but no one told me at age 22 to expect this hitting me so soon. Are basically 70% of the globe, and increasing, cripples?
 
craigos said:
I will eventually, I'm trying to diversify a bit and even do a bit of hands on mechanical type stuff (which I enjoy) as I reckon it'd be great to have that kind of balance in your life. Also means if one industry you work in is dying you're not going to end up giving handjobs to the homelsss.


I often have this discussion internally but the fact is that my laaaaaaaaaady is really supportive so if I really wanted to make a massive change I am sure she would not kill me in my sleep. Probably wouldn't be happy but am sure a comprimise could be reached.

What would you do differently if you were single compared to what you do now?
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Well I've been with my gf almost five years, if I was single all that time who knows where'd I'd be, for better or worse. It's all speculative.
 
Harvey Leadpipe said:
I'm pretty fortunate, and I know it and appreciate it. I am happy, I earn good money, so does my wife. Our kids are easy and cool. We live in a good suburb, have great family and friends. No complaints....

...except one.

I've just turned 40, and in pretty good shape. I exercise a lot, probably drink a bit too much, but eat well, don't smoke, drink a heap of water, count calories, fibre etc. But assume we live longer and longer, I'm probably going to live to around 85 or more with modern medicine. So why is it that every single day for the last 5 or 6 years I've been waking up with some sort of pain?? Calves, shoulder, back, neck, etc. I feel good once I get up and get moving, stretch and warm up, but I can't remember the last time I woke up to the alarm, moved slightly and felt great! And then my physio says that although I have these muscular issues, I'm much better off than my fat, unfit mates who are in all sorts at the same age of life.

So the experts are telling me that we all wake up in some sort of discomfort for way more than half our lives? Are humans built that poorly??

Yeah, first world issues I know, but no one told me at age 22 to expect this hitting me so soon. Are basically 70% of the globe, and increasing, cripples?
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I don't believe we will live longer.

The world has a way of balancing it all out.

Whether it is population or ageing, it's quite clear nothing is going to just go up and up and better and better. Ultimately we will end up in a position where although our food is gluten free, diary free, sugar free, low on carbs, and we're exercising at an hour of good pace a day, we will be exposed to things that did not exist a few hundred years ago and that will harm us as much. Modern stress is a huge one too.

This naive love of living longer is a crock. And who wants to live that old anyway? Living to 105 is shit no matter what. It's not like you're winning Brownlows like Dustin Martin; you're still gonna be an old ****er struggling to drink a cup of tea.
 
Silent Alarm said:
This naive love of living longer is a crock. And who wants to live that old anyway? Living to 105 is shit no matter what. It's not like you're winning Brownlows like Dustin Martin; you're still gonna be an old ****** struggling to drink a cup of tea.
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If my goal of becoming a successful billionaire playboy doesn't work out, my plan is to retire at about 70 or so (that's where we're heading anyway), spend whatever money I've saved up on some holidays and experiences, and then when it all runs out and I can no longer support myself financially, off myself.

I can't see any joy or even contentedness in spending years in some retirement home, watching re-runs of the Big Bang Theory, playing cards with Phil and Albert next door, struggling to get up to take a shit... just sitting there waiting for the day the Grim Reaper finally taps you on the shoulder. **** that.
 
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I always thought 80 will do me. No interest in living past then. I eat healthy and keep fit but that's to increase the quality of my twilight years, not the quantity.
 

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raskolnikov said:
I always thought 80 will do me. No interest in living past then. I eat healthy and keep fit but that's to increase the quality of my twilight years, not the quantity.
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If I start to lose my marbles that's it for me. My mum works on a dementia ward and her stories are heartbreaking.
 
getthefooty said:
Life operates in shades of grey. There are some people with all the opportunity in the world and they can't get it together - there's no one else to blame but themselves. Some people have very little opportunity but they blow what little opportunity they have -
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This can also be something really "small" in terms of a belief that sets someone back for years, and until they unlock that a small thought is holding them back, something as simple as "I can't do it" or "I'm not worth it" as a locked in thought. You can stop yourself from making something great.
 
I'm going to be so smacked off my head on prescription drugs when I'm older. Going to be awesome, get up, pop a few pills, go play a game of golf, have a couple of pots at the golf club, come home, make a sandwich, pop a few more pills, play some FIFA, have some dinner and a glass of scotch and go to bed.

Can. Not. Wait.
 

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Being old is all about quality of life. I'd hate to be 95 and sitting in a chair all day with a blanket over my knees with no family and friends coming to visit just staring blankly at daytime TV waiting for someone to come and feed me dinner at 4.30pm and change my colostomy bag.

I've seen family and friends die as young as their early 60s and I've seen others still pretty active and alert in their late 70s and 80s. If you're 70 and have dementia to the point of being bedridden and not recognising your own children you should be able to pull the plug, but I remember an extended family member maintaining his independence until his early 90s.

Not everyone can be Tommy Hafey but I reckon a lot of older people get stuck into a routine of not doing anything mentally or physically stimulating. Play bowls, play golf, walk to the shop and buy a paper - whatever. Old folks who can look after grandkids are the ultimate win win. Good for them, good for the kids, and good for the parents.
 
Scotland said:
Being old is all about quality of life. I'd hate to be 95 and sitting in a chair all day with a blanket over my knees with no family and friends coming to visit just staring blankly at daytime TV waiting for someone to come and feed me dinner at 4.30pm and change my colostomy bag.

I've seen family and friends die as young as their early 60s and I've seen others still pretty active and alert in their late 70s and 80s. If you're 70 and have dementia to the point of being bedridden and not recognising your own children you should be able to pull the plug, but I remember an extended family member maintaining his independence until his early 90s.

Not everyone can be Tommy Hafey but I reckon a lot of older people get stuck into a routine of not doing anything mentally or physically stimulating. Play bowls, play golf, walk to the shop and buy a paper - whatever. Old folks who can look after grandkids are the ultimate win win. Good for them, good for the kids, and good for the parents.
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Agreed. It's not about the number, it's about if you can still be involved and switched on. And it starts from when you're younger IMO, plenty of 35 year olds who are about as active as 65 year olds in nursing homes. some people age too quickly.
 
Harvey Leadpipe said:
I'm pretty fortunate, and I know it and appreciate it. I am happy, I earn good money, so does my wife. Our kids are easy and cool. We live in a good suburb, have great family and friends. No complaints....

...except one.

I've just turned 40, and in pretty good shape. I exercise a lot, probably drink a bit too much, but eat well, don't smoke, drink a heap of water, count calories, fibre etc. But assume we live longer and longer, I'm probably going to live to around 85 or more with modern medicine. So why is it that every single day for the last 5 or 6 years I've been waking up with some sort of pain?? Calves, shoulder, back, neck, etc. I feel good once I get up and get moving, stretch and warm up, but I can't remember the last time I woke up to the alarm, moved slightly and felt great! And then my physio says that although I have these muscular issues, I'm much better off than my fat, unfit mates who are in all sorts at the same age of life.

So the experts are telling me that we all wake up in some sort of discomfort for way more than half our lives? Are humans built that poorly??

Yeah, first world issues I know, but no one told me at age 22 to expect this hitting me so soon. Are basically 70% of the globe, and increasing, cripples?
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Sounds like you're over training or over doing it. Unless you're talking little niggles or have the body of an 85 yo you shouldn't be in pain everyday.

In answer to your question unfortunately yes. The human body eventually is designed to break down. It is not as if you just drop dead one day. It declines on you over years. You grow, peak, plateau and fade.

Just like say women's fertility craps out at 40 (getting old) men's bodies can't smash world records anymore and will eventually succumb.
 
Silent Alarm said:
I don't believe we will live longer.

The world has a way of balancing it all out.

Whether it is population or ageing, it's quite clear nothing is going to just go up and up and better and better. Ultimately we will end up in a position where although our food is gluten free, diary free, sugar free, low on carbs, and we're exercising at an hour of good pace a day, we will be exposed to things that did not exist a few hundred years ago and that will harm us as much. Modern stress is a huge one too.

This naive love of living longer is a crock. And who wants to live that old anyway? Living to 105 is shit no matter what. It's not like you're winning Brownlows like Dustin Martin; you're still gonna be an old ****** struggling to drink a cup of tea.
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Depends. 70 of my parents age is not the 70 of my grand parents age. Still I agree longevity is a bit of a misnomer. You aren't magically going to be 25 again you are just increasing your olden years.
 

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