Lingy as a coach?

[TJTIGER]

Reckon you're right about that. Another one who I think could be a cracker is Luke Hodge. A comment that impressed me is that he said he wants to see how other clubs go about doing things when he finishes up with Hawthorn.

Agree about Hodgie, was a Tiger growing up & I think he has a great relationship with Dimma. I think we should at least run it past him at some stage. But I can also imagine him doing an apprenticeship under Clarko as well...

 

[Craze]

Stupid suggestion basing the criteria on some dubious impression you get of the guy because of some lame special comments role the guy has.

How about this for something to ponder:

Most of us here know **** all about how an AFL club is run behind closed doors and most of us know **** all about whether any of the football identities being thrown up as our latest saviour have a clue about coaching. So before we throw up yet another special comments guy as a candidate just deal with the fact that none of us here are in a position to really know who is a good candidate in our hypothetical little world where we sack Hardwick because we have won maybe two less games this year than we expected...

It's completely simplistic and completely juvenile. Like I said in the other thread, I wouldn't run my personal or business life the way some people expect the club to be run, jumping at shadows all the time. It's completely ridiculous.

Hang on a minute. I thought the OP was simply speculating about whether Lingy would be a future coach, and if he would be worth pursuing at some stage. Not necessarily tomorrow, but at some stage in the future. That is certainly how I (and many others) responded to the thread, to discuss potential future coaches. Not calling for Hardwick's head at all. And I don't think I'm juvenile/simplistic in suggesting one or two others who I think would make good senior/assistant coaches at some point in the future.

For what its worth I'd love to see a well respected, recently retired guy like Ling or a Jono Brown/Lenny Hayes type (in the next couple of years) given a go at Richmond as an assistant. The more guys we can get into the club who know what it takes to get the best out of yourself, and who have the intestinal fortitude to look a King/Martin in the eye and tell them to pull their head in and devote themselves completely to the cause, in every waking moment, the better.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

The most common mistake made by 95% of people is that exceptional players make exceptional coaches... It just doesnt happen anymore and this is why...

The best players dont need to be taught how to do something, they just have the ability to do it, therefore they generally dont have the abilty to teach it to someone else, generally because they dont know why they can do it in the first place. They can often not understand why a person of lesser ability cant do something that they found really easy.

Look at the coaches now:
Adelaide - Sando solid but not a superstar - still question marks but 2 yrs ago proves hes not the worst
Brisbane - Leppa very solid - cant judge yet
Carlton - Mick very solid in exceptional teams - clearly has runs on the board
Collingwood - Bucks Superstar - but as it stands team has potentially gone backwards since taking over, prepared to judge later though
Essendon - Hird Superstar - That didnt work out oo well did it
Freo - Rossy average player - like his style or not 4 GF appearances says he goes alright
Geelong - Scott reliable - clearly can coach
Gold Coast - Bluey very solid - starting to show signs but will have to be judged longterm
GWS - Cameron Classy but superstar - wait and see
Hawks - Clarko solid at best - nearly best going at the moment
Melb - Roos clearly better than average footballer, but not top echelon - record is great at sydney, Dees will test him though
Norf - Scott solid - I'm not a huge fan but has got ok results from an overrated list so pass mark
Port - Hinkley solid HBF - I rate him top few and thats 25 games into a career
Richmond - Trusty agressive at best - brought team from bottom to best result in 12 years says he goes ok, can he take it to another level?
St Kilda - Richo - Average - Cant judge yet but not a bad start given their list
Sydney - Horse - Very good forward in a good team but not top billing - Has a flag snd consistant results
WCE - Simpson very handy without tearing the comp apart - cant judge yet
WB - McCartney - least playing record of all current coaches - is doing an ok job with a terrible team

The only real superstars are hird and buckley, hird definate fail and buckley 50/50 at best...

 

[Strawbs]

Picky I know but Roos was clearly a 'top echelon' player.

 

[aislegi]

The most common mistake made by 95% of people is that exceptional players make exceptional coaches... It just doesnt happen anymore and this is why...

The best players dont need to be taught how to do something, they just have the ability to do it, therefore they generally dont have the abilty to teach it to someone else, generally because they dont know why they can do it in the first place. They can often not understand why a person of lesser ability cant do something that they found really easy.

Look at the coaches now:
Adelaide - Sando solid but not a superstar - still question marks but 2 yrs ago proves hes not the worst
Brisbane - Leppa very solid - cant judge yet
Carlton - Mick very solid in exceptional teams - clearly has runs on the board
Collingwood - Bucks Superstar - but as it stands team has potentially gone backwards since taking over, prepared to judge later though
Essendon - Hird Superstar - That didnt work out oo well did it
Freo - Rossy average player - like his style or not 4 GF appearances says he goes alright
Geelong - Scott reliable - clearly can coach
Gold Coast - Bluey very solid - starting to show signs but will have to be judged longterm
GWS - Cameron Classy but superstar - wait and see
Hawks - Clarko solid at best - nearly best going at the moment
Melb - Roos clearly better than average footballer, but not top echelon - record is great at sydney, Dees will test him though
Norf - Scott solid - I'm not a huge fan but has got ok results from an overrated list so pass mark
Port - Hinkley solid HBF - I rate him top few and thats 25 games into a career
Richmond - Trusty agressive at best - brought team from bottom to best result in 12 years says he goes ok, can he take it to another level?
St Kilda - Richo - Average - Cant judge yet but not a bad start given their list
Sydney - Horse - Very good forward in a good team but not top billing - Has a flag snd consistant results
WCE - Simpson very handy without tearing the comp apart - cant judge yet
WB - McCartney - least playing record of all current coaches - is doing an ok job with a terrible team

The only real superstars are hird and buckley, hird definate fail and buckley 50/50 at best...

Leaving aside the rubberiness of the definitions, there are always going to be far more "solid" players than "exceptional" ones, so it follows that most coaches would have been the former, rather than the latter

 

[tigerdan]

Hang on a minute. I thought the OP was simply speculating about whether Lingy would be a future coach, and if he would be worth pursuing at some stage. Not necessarily tomorrow, but at some stage in the future. That is certainly how I (and many others) responded to the thread, to discuss potential future coaches. Not calling for Hardwick's head at all. And I don't think I'm juvenile/simplistic in suggesting one or two others who I think would make good senior/assistant coaches at some point in the future.

For what its worth I'd love to see a well respected, recently retired guy like Ling or a Jono Brown/Lenny Hayes type (in the next couple of years) given a go at Richmond as an assistant. The more guys we can get into the club who know what it takes to get the best out of yourself, and who have the intestinal fortitude to look a King/Martin in the eye and tell them to pull their head in and devote themselves completely to the cause, in every waking moment, the better.

Fair enough if I have misunderstood the gist of the post. I know this is the internet and appologising to anonymous people is hard but if I got it wrong then sorry.

The thing is i'm seeing red with all the knee jerk propsals getting bandied about and to be honest I don't think it's just a coincidence that a question about whether Cameron Ling would make a good coach gets asked when we are 2-4. So no, I don't really see it as just an honest question, it seems like another provocative question because someone wants the coach sacked. And I find that a pretty stupid suggestion in round 6 and coming off a finals campaign last year.

Like I said, if i'm wrong about the intentions then i'm sorry for twisting off.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Leaving aside the rubberiness of the definitions, there are always going to be far more "solid" players than "exceptional" ones, so it follows that most coaches would have been the former, rather than the latter

I agree, but in this day an age we call people superstars and champions pretty easily, and to see that there is only 1 coaching now... and only doing an ok job at it, suggests my theory has greater probability of being correct rather than incorrect, but your right, its hard to be definitive.

 

[dazbroncos]

Lol??? All Geelong coaches etc say is how smart he is with footy and he's basically a coach. He may be dumb as dog shit off the field but footy he knows better than most.

Greetings. I come in peace. I agree with the SJ analysis about his ability sometimes clouding his judgments and as a Cats fan it can be massively frustrating to watch at times. Things is, the % of those times as opposed to the # of 50 m across the body spear passes that hit the chest of the bloke on the run without breaking stride type moments far outweight the misses.

As for him as a coach, I think he would eventually be very good as Chris Scott has said of the times SJ has been in the box (usually after he's whacked someone) its like having another coach up there because he sees the game so well. As for Lingy, it's been said down our way it not impossible but he likes his media thing at the moment.

A previous post mentioned as an assistant first and I would agree there. Would be a good HC I reckon with experience first. As a Cats fan, id be happy to see him gain experience outside the Geelong environment first before he came "home" as a HC…

Go Catters

 

[RunningBounce]

this far into a thread about potential future coaches of RFC and not one mention of

We've got Knighter down in a more important job

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/two-tiger-legends-this-is-a-sos-call.1061468/

 

[pebblestone]

Forget Lingy, lets go after Lenny as an assistant next year. Thoughts?