Lrt

[grimlock]

Vogels has to come back into the forward line. His height and marking strength means he will attract one of the KP backs, possibly allowing MOL and ROK to play on lesser opponents.

 

[eirinn]

As for that void, I think Vogels should fill that role. He was doing quite nicely until he was surreptitiously dropped as a last minute withdrawal\.

He didn't play too well in the reserves last week- which I believe was his first match since his injury. With another reserves bye this week, it's hard to see him getting enough time to impress the coaching staff again. It's a shame, though, because I think we're a far better side when he's on the team.

 

[grimlock]

He worked very hard in the reserves last week. Kicked only the 1 goal but provided a very good option up to the flanks with his leading. Didn't set the world on fire but I would hardly say he didn't play well.

I believe he should come back into the team because he is a true KPP who can offer himself as a genuine marking target, unlike Saddo.

 

[eirinn]

Didn't set the world on fire but I would hardly say he didn't play well.

The problem with our reserves is at the moment, a player
does have to set the world on fire in order to warrant a senior game. The competition is too weak to have simply a good game. Not that I don't think he should be selected: I certainly do. But I doubt it will happen after his last match.

 

[grayham]

I didn't think LRT was beaten by his opponent today but he gave us nothing else.
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All you expect from a KP defender really.

I think he spent most of the second half on the bench.

Wonder why? Was he injured. It would seem he would have been worth a try up forward or double-teaming Richo. Roos would have normally done one of this things?

That he doesn't give us much and is not really expected to is partly evidenced by the fact that is never a marking target. A guy of his height should be a great long marking target from a kickout but it never happens (probably because he couldn't do it).

Sydneys kickout strategy is to kick to a pocket (usually Matthews or Dempster), who then kick to the ruckman on the boundary about 70m out. We then have a throw in.
Wouldnt matter if Carey was playing CHB for us, we wouldnt use him.
How many kick ins did Goodes get direct from FB ?
Its a serious issue, and kennelly is not the man for kick ins IMO.

I think we should put Vogels at CHF to give us another marking option.

Davis doing sweet FA, and Okeefe up the ground limited our options severly. But Hall and Oloughlan were ordinary too. Vogels would have helped, but if Roos actually thought we were a target short he would have played LRT up there. I think our forwards were just lazy and it cost us.

 

[TheBloods]

All you expect from a KP defender really.

As I've said before, not these days. They are also expected to contribute to the rebound and attack, as well as team defence.

Wonder why? Was he injured. It would seem he would have been worth a try up forward or double-teaming Richo. Roos would have normally done one of this things?

Unless he was injured I assume it was because Roos needed more drive.

Sydneys kickout strategy is to kick to a pocket (usually Matthews or Dempster), who then kick to the ruckman on the boundary about 70m out. We then have a throw in.
Wouldnt matter if Carey was playing CHB for us, we wouldnt use him.
How many kick ins did Goodes get direct from FB ?
Its a serious issue, and kennelly is not the man for kick ins IMO.

Agreed. Our tactics are poor. When we had Dunkley it used to give us some options. Even Stafford was good at that. Ball or Jolly probably wouldn't be bad either, or maybe even Saddington. However, we don't consider it.

Davis doing sweet FA, and Okeefe up the ground limited our options severly. But Hall and Oloughlan were ordinary too. Vogels would have helped, but if Roos actually thought we were a target short he would have played LRT up there. I think our forwards were just lazy and it cost us.

Combination of lazy forwards and abysmal midfield. Doubt if LRT would have made any difference and my guess is Roos thought that too.

 

[grayham]

As I've said before, not these days. They are also expected to contribute to the rebound and attack, as well as team defence.
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From what I saw of the 1st quarter, LRT was involved in a few link ups.

Unless he was injured I assume it was because Roos needed more drive.

Combination of lazy forwards and abysmal midfield. Doubt if LRT would have made any difference and my guess is Roos thought that too.

LRT has been used to great effect before as a decoy forward to take the pressure off Hall. Being a tall athelic bloke, they need to put a KP defender on him.

I guess we'll wait for the team sheet next week. He could be injured, or Roos may have tired of him. I very much doubt the later, but you never know.

Speaking of moves, does anyone else thing Roo's reaction to positional changes is way too slow. Wallace completely outcoached him for 3/4's that game, and the Richmond list is a lot thinner than ours.

 

[Bloods Rule!]

Speaking of moves, does anyone else thing Roo's reaction to positional changes is way too slow. Wallace completely outcoached him for 3/4's that game, and the Richmond list is a lot thinner than ours.

Yes.

 

[TheBloods]

From what I saw of the 1st quarter, LRT was involved in a few link ups.

Yeah, a few, but it's still fairly limited.

LRT has been used to great effect before as a decoy forward to take the pressure off Hall. Being a tall athelic bloke, they need to put a KP defender on him.

Yep, which is essentially the same reason why I think Vogels should be in the team. However, crap delivery by the midfield would probably have been a problem no matter what.

I guess we'll wait for the team sheet next week. He could be injured, or Roos may have tired of him. I very much doubt the later, but you never know.

He didn't look injured. I watched on the boundary and he seemed okay. Then again, he may have hurt a leg and was why he kept doing warmup type drills. Or maybe Roos is looking for something different. He seems to get sets for and against players out of the blue.

Speaking of moves, does anyone else thing Roo's reaction to positional changes is way too slow. Wallace completely outcoached him for 3/4's that game, and the Richmond list is a lot thinner than ours.

Definitely. I think this is a major problem. It's not that often you say, yep that was a great move by Roos which changed the game. You do get that with other coaches.

 

[grayham]

Definitely. I think this is a major problem. It's not that often you say, yep that was a great move by Roos which changed the game. You do get that with other coaches.

I have a theory that he's still trying to not-be-rodney-eade. Rocket would drag you if even thought about making a mistake. Now we've gone to the other extreme.

 

[Bloods Rule!]

I have a theory that he's still trying to not-be-rodney-eade. Rocket would drag you if even thought about making a mistake. Now we've gone to the other extreme.

Yesterday he would have needed a bloody long bench with 16 on it (maybe 18 for when B2 and Leo needed a break).

 

[Lenny]

LRT was far from our major problem on Saturday. He was solid and I believe he's improved in every game he's played.

Can't be short sighted about these things. He's our answer to Al Nicholson or Ben Rutten or Mal Michael. I know that seems silly, but next year, we need that kind of output from him and I think he will get there.

 

[nico]

I have been a bit of a fan of LRT more in hope I suspect. However on Saturday he seemed to have no idea. He looked lost and the few times he got I think he got just plain lucky, that he was somewhat in the clear, because he had no idea what to do with it.

I think his only value might be as an around the ground ruckman, although he can't kick for nuts, like half the side. Another example of an athletic player who looks like he might develop into something but lacks the basic ingredient of football, the ablity to kick. How many do we have, and how on earth can we succeed with the game plan we have if the side can't kick.

 

[Schneiderman]

Definitely. I think this is a major problem. It's not that often you say, yep that was a great move by Roos which changed the game. You do get that with other coaches.

So you missed the Lions game where he moved Davis into the middle and turned the game?

Or where he played Leo Barry on Gherig last year? (sure he has had to replicate it more often since then, but at the time it was new)

Or moving Saddington off Jono Brown when he was killing us, and putting Bolton onto him?

Or putting Goodes into the ruck when Ball got injured?

How quickly we forget.

 

[TheBloods]

FFS - surely you jest - they are hardly brilliant moves - they're obvious ones that anyone could (and did) see!

 

[giantsully]

I don't think they are particularly good egs but in reality tactical nous is not Roosy's strong points. He has other strengths however - Rocket is probably the most tactically astute coach in the game & we know how that story ended.

 

[nico]

I don't think they are particularly good egs but in reality tactical nous is not Roosy's strong points. He has other strengths however - Rocket is probably the most tactically astute coach in the game & we know how that story ended.

Yeah other strengths like rotations. Our players don't have time to get warm or get rid of the wooden hands feeling, before they are off again. No wonder we have inconsistency within games.

I would love to know how much of their "ground time" is taken running from the field, where they are not in the action.

 

[Buddhy]

LRT, great for the fans. That's all I have to say on that matter

 

[ScottH]

LRT, great for the fans. That's all I have to say on that matter

What, gives some comic relief???