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This discussion is pathetic. Players have managers because clubs are beyond reprehensible when allowed to be. You think Gary junior wouldn't have been told about the 250,000 grand from the 90s Geelong never payed his old man?

I get its the easy and obvious way to go about it but geez some of you blokes would think the Geelong footy club has a great track record of treating players. No club does it's beyond ruthless so to blast pickering for putting his client above the club shows a simple mindset that probably indicates a reasonable discussion can't be had.

You'd think Pickering was some sort of criminal the way this interview was discussed. Oh the Herald Sun said so, such a sheep mentality at times in this forum.

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vicpride said:
This discussion is pathetic. Players have managers because clubs are beyond reprehensible when allowed to be. You think Gary junior wouldn't have been told about the 250,000 grand from the 90s Geelong never payed his old man?

I get its the easy and obvious way to go about it but geez some of you blokes would think the Geelong footy club has a great track record of treating players. No club does it's beyond ruthless so to blast pickering for putting his client above the club shows a simple mindset that probably indicates a reasonable discussion can't be had.

You'd think Pickering was some sort of criminal the way this interview was discussed. Oh the Herald Sun said so, such a sheep mentality at times in this forum.

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what was the photo that Nixon had pulled from the hun
lets just say the abletts were well looked after
 
Pickering is of impeccable character
he moved clients from his former employer img, and the transition was covered by strategic
and then he wanted to move his clients again from strategic
his dealing illustrate his character
 

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Mahlepi said:
Pickering is of impeccable character
he moved clients from his former employer img, and the transition was covered by strategic
and then he wanted to move his clients again from strategic
his dealing illustrate his character
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Like he said, the players went with him because they see him as their manager, not the company he works for. A court of law found he did nothing wrong, the court of you needs to get a life.
 
BlakeyNoFlakey said:
Like he said, the players went with him because they see him as their manager, not the company he works for. A court of law found he did nothing wrong, the court of you needs to get a life.
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Hunchy, this was prior to strategic
He was employed to manage players and had a one year non compete but moved his players on
End of day you can see him as of perfect character and standing
His ex wives and former employers don't
And as for getting a life, seriously are you that soft
 
Mahlepi said:
Hunchy, this was prior to strategic
He was employed to manage players and had a one year non compete but moved his players on
End of day you can see him as of perfect character and standing
His ex wives and former employers don't
And as for getting a life, seriously are you that soft
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The good thing is I don't have to read your crap thanks the the ignore feature. Bye.
 
year of the cat said:
So due to Pickering's ineptness in signing Ablett up to a long term deal when he hadn't yet realised his full potential, he (and Ablett) then hold/s it against Geelong for not re-negotiating?
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Yep. That's what they did. But geelong was just at inept if they didn't realise it could come back to haunt them when the next contract was due. Give ablett an extra 200,000 on the last three years of his contract as a reward from going from a 50-100 player in the comp to the clear number 1 and ablett may of been willing to reward that loyalty and accept only an 800,000 dollar a year contract post 2010. We will never know.
 
Seeds said:
Yep. That's what they did. But geelong was just at inept if they didn't realise it could come back to haunt them when the next contract was due. Give ablett an extra 200,000 on the last three years of his contract as a reward from going from a 50-100 player in the comp to the clear number 1 and ablett may of been willing to reward that loyalty and accept only an 800,000 dollar a year contract post 2010. We will never know.
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Yeah you kee believing that and ignoring the truth.
 
Seeds said:
Yep. That's what they did. But geelong was just at inept if they didn't realise it could come back to haunt them when the next contract was due. Give ablett an extra 200,000 on the last three years of his contract as a reward from going from a 50-100 player in the comp to the clear number 1 and ablett may of been willing to reward that loyalty and accept only an 800,000 dollar a year contract post 2010. We will never know.
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How exactly do you suggest that Geelong could have found "an extra $200,000" from 2008-2010 to pay Ablett more? Our salary cap was stetched to its limit and from memory other players were already taking less than market to keep the team together.

Geelong played this absolutely correctly with the resources we had available. If we had given him the extra money for those years (somehow we magically were able to conjur the space under the salary cap) he probably would have left at the end of 2010 anyone given the scale of the offer from GC.

If he didn't like the original contract, he shouldn't have signed it. If this left him pissed off and he left the club in 2010 because of it, so be it. It was a mutually beneficial relationship for everyone involved.
 
Hinkley29 said:
How exactly do you suggest that Geelong could have found "an extra $200,000" from 2008-2010 to pay Ablett more? Our salary cap was stetched to its limit and from memory other players were already taking less than market to keep the team together.

Geelong played this absolutely correctly with the resources we had available. If we had given him the extra money for those years (somehow we magically were able to conjur the space under the salary cap) he probably would have left at the end of 2010 anyone given the scale of the offer from GC.

If he didn't like the original contract, he shouldn't have signed it. If this left him pissed off and he left the club in 2010 because of it, so be it. It was a mutually beneficial relationship for everyone involved.
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Get rid of a minor player. Mark Blake, Max Rooke etc. a generous offer tends to see generosity returned. May well of never even spoken to Gold Coast if geelong had been smart.
 
Seeds said:
Get rid of a minor player. Mark Blake, Max Rooke etc. a generous offer tends to see generosity returned. May well of never even spoken to Gold Coast if geelong had been smart.
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Geez really?
What about the contract that he sooked about, being at the time of signing, massive overs?
He was sure happy to sign then for double his actual worth.
Was then told that come renewal (you know, since he's been paid about 600k more than he should have) he'd be looked after, yet still had a cry about it.
 
Mad_Hatter said:
Geez really?
What about the contract that he sooked about, being at the time of signing, massive overs?
He was sure happy to sign then for double his actual worth.
Was then told that come renewal (you know, since he's been paid about 600k more than he should have) he'd be looked after, yet still had a cry about it.
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Which is why it would of been a generous offer. Why is it that the club doesn't have to be generous but players do? And let's not talk double his actual worth. He was a gun half forward flanker with heaps of upside when he signed those deals. Dominated finals in 05 and 04.
 

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Seeds said:
Which is why it would of been a generous offer. Why is it that the club doesn't have to be generous but players do? And let's not talk double his actual worth. He was a gun half forward flanker with heaps of upside when he signed those deals. Dominated finals in 05 and 04.
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Club was generous when they gave him overs for that contract.
Then they were very generous again when they offered to make him the first million dollar player yet refused and went to the GC.
 
Seeds said:
Which is why it would of been a generous offer. Why is it that the club doesn't have to be generous but players do? And let's not talk double his actual worth. He was a gun half forward flanker with heaps of upside when he signed those deals. Dominated finals in 05 and 04.
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There is no way he was dominating.
His 5 year contract was generous when it was given.

They scaled it up without knowing what they'd get.
The cats guessed well.

The first year of that contract was something like 200k, and the last was 560.
Were Geelong dumb in not renegotiating earlier? Maybe.

Because once the Suns came in we were toast.
The 800k offer was never going to cut it against 1.9 mil.
 
Seeds said:
Get rid of a minor player. Mark Blake, Max Rooke etc. a generous offer tends to see generosity returned. May well of never even spoken to Gold Coast if geelong had been smart.
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How do you propose to "get rid of a minor player" as you so eloquently put it? Contracts are in stone and even if you cut the player and pay them out they still count under the cap.

BTW, without Blake (and to a lesser extent Rooke) we probably don't win the 2009 GF.
 
If Gaz had accepted a long-term godfather deal from us at the end of 2010, we would have likely ended up in the same situation as the Suns: paying a guy $1m+ a year to sit on the sidelines.

That first shoulder injury in 2014 ruined his career.
 
Don't see why people are so upset, Pickering surely being truthful on the matter- fact is Gaz wasn't the highest paid player, and we didn't have firepower to make him that- he took the money and opportunity and ran, his decision. 2011 we were the happier party.. :o)
 
vinum coupe said:
There is no way he was dominating.
His 5 year contract was generous when it was given.

They scaled it up without knowing what they'd get.
The cats guessed well.

The first year of that contract was something like 200k, and the last was 560.
Were Geelong dumb in not renegotiating earlier? Maybe.

Because once the Suns came in we were toast.
The 800k offer was never going to cut it against 1.9 mil.
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Word around his family/friends was his first year at the Suns was nearly $4mil...
That's some carrot.
 

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Bobby_ said:
It did in the long term.
We would have led Collingwood at every change in the 2011 grand final with Junior in the side.
We would have remained competitive with Fremantle the following year but probably still lose.
We would have beaten Hawthorn in the preliminary final with Junior doing his thing.
We would have beaten North Melbourne the year after that.

Junior's absence played a massive part by taking us from the number one team of the modern era to merely a team trying to match it Fremantle, Hawthorn and Sydney.
I appreciate Caddy (Smedts lol) but what Ablett went on to do after he left us would have been surreal had he remained.
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It limited our ability to achieve success in the short term which is pretty much what you have highlighted. That would happen when your best player leaves as does your coach and you've got a core of players coming to the end. It's partly inevitable in this system.

However to say "it ruined the club" is drawing one very very long bow imo.
 
Bobby_ said:
if that's true, it's pathetic. Great player and all but for that kind of money, you would be expecting a 35 disposal & 4 goals per game phenomenon like we have never seen before.
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If true, would include endorsements I presume and a nice big one off payment from vlad/AFL as incentive.
I dare say less than half of that was included in the bloated cap.
 

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