Whoa, steady on Zeke. This is just a personal preferences thing - no one platform is going to be perfect for everyone.
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I know... I apologise for getting uptight about my preference for Macs. You have to realise that us Mac users come up against it every day...
Mac users are a minority group.
From now on I'm turning over a new leaf. No more arguments!
Which brings me to my new motto:
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Enough said.
Originally posted by Zeke
I know... I apologise for getting uptight about my preference for Macs. You have to realise that us Mac users come up against it every day...
mate I feel your pain!! I have a preference for the machines from Cupertino myself, but most people are perfectly happy to continue with what they are used to, and 90%+ of homes will contain a PC. Businesses will usually go that way too (print/design/multimedia aside).
Familiarity is a big part of comfort in using one platform or other - IMHO the two are close enough now that the biggest single factor will be personal preference/familiarity. I find I enjoy using my PowerBook G4 a lot more than my Athlon box, or work's P4 machine - but maybe that's just me!
Besides in the end who cares what someone else thinks? As long as they're not forcing you to use THEIR choice, I don't really care!
Thanks for telling me I'm uneducated in the industry I've been working in for seven odd years now. I'll try and explain my reasoning to you.
People use computers in the office right? And they tend to be in 90% of cases PCs running Windows and Office.
So when people buy a computer they want to be able to use the same software they are used to - and no matter how much you try you can't run Windows/Office directly on Mac hardware.
Horses for courses - people want to run the software they are used to - and that means using a PC with Windows/Office.
Also one of the major reasons people buy computers for home is to play games on them - and the Macintosh is not the platform to buy for that reason.
But as I said before, they are different systems for doing that to what people use elsewhere, and in my experience people really don't want that.
This is entirely irrelevant. Its not versatility or suitablilty that wins the argument - its familiarity, and while most offices use PCs with Windows, they will be the dominant platform - and to be fair the more suitable platform for many users who find it difficult to switch between systems.
You'll never win your argument when you attack people like me who will grant Macs have a place.
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Mr Q, with all due respect (and i DO agree with most of your post), I have to bring up something here. Microsoft have released Office v.X for Mac, and it is arguably more up-to-date than Office XP. Word/Excel/Powerpoint work exactly the same on OSX as Windows - though there is no Access, so you have to use an alternative if you need to work with it.
Spot on. While I prefer OS X's interface, I will admit that you really have to unlearn a lot of habits - for someone who is not technically minded, this is an unnecessary hassle. I took the time to learn it because I really wanted to, but I was chucked in the deep end for a few weeks. IMHO many people spend a fair bit of time bagging macs without having spent the time to get familiar with them. I was one of them and I was pleasantly surprised. So much so that a Mac is now my main machine at home. They're quality machines, but for a lot of people they're not worth the price in terms of money and time spent learning how to use them.
You've started most of the antagonising during this. Not PC users.Originally posted by Zeke
I know... I apologise for getting uptight about my preference for Macs. You have to realise that us Mac users come up against it every day...
And thank god. If that hillarious 'motto' is all you can come up with, good luck to you.
Originally posted by Zeke
I know... I apologise for getting uptight about my preference for Macs. You have to realise that us Mac users come up against it every day...
I just gave youk my opinion. I have been using macs at uni for years, and I find them much more difficult to use than PC's. Its just my personal preference...
Fair enough, I knew Office existed on Macs, but I wasn't sure what the current state of play was with it. I suspect there would have to be some differences with it - although they could be fairly minimal. I'm not knocking Macs, as much as Zeke tempts me.
This does beg the question: Why did you start this thread then?
Yep!
Being a minority group has never stopped any Mac user I know running down PCs at every opportunity. Two guys I work with closely are continually trying to bait me on the same old stuff they always have.
What is it with Apple users? Most rants I've read on this and other boards have been flowing from the Mac side.
Having finished my rant ...... I actually like the Macs, though don't use one. The cinema display you have is particularly nice. I enquired about getting one for our PC environment (there's a compliment), but was told they're not compatible. Darn!
What is it with Apple users? Most rants I've read on this and other boards have been flowing from the Mac side.
Having finished my rant ...... I actually like the Macs, though don't use one. The cinema display you have is particularly nice. I enquired about getting one for our PC environment (there's a compliment), but was told they're not compatible. Darn!
Originally posted by Zeke
I know... I apologise for getting uptight about my preference for Macs. You have to realise that us Mac users come up against it every day...
Mac users are a minority group.
Hey, I'm a mac user and I reckon I'm pretty reasonable
To each their own is all I can say.. I'm always going to have at least one PC and one mac at home because I think they're both good for their respective tasks.oh, and the cinema displays CAN be compatible with PCs
You will need to get a utility (like powerstrip) that lets you specify a custom screen resolution. Then you'll need an adapter that converts Apple's proprietary ADC connection - it carries video, USB and power - to DVI or VGA. I think there's one or two PC video cards that support ADC too.
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Just a final word on the debate...
Anyone who cared enough to post thier opinion needs to check out the Apple site tomorrow morning (Tuesday 24th June)
If all the rumors are true (all indications point to this) then Apple will once again rise to the top of the pile. PowerMac G5's will be the most powerful personal computers on the market.
G5's boasting a 64bit IBM 970 CPU will poo all over the quickest pentium 4 available for the forseeable future.
Anyone who cared enough to post thier opinion needs to check out the Apple site tomorrow morning (Tuesday 24th June)
If all the rumors are true (all indications point to this) then Apple will once again rise to the top of the pile. PowerMac G5's will be the most powerful personal computers on the market.
G5's boasting a 64bit IBM 970 CPU will poo all over the quickest pentium 4 available for the forseeable future.
Hee Hee Hee
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Yes, yes Zeke, whatever you say. Speed is irrelevant really as the two platforms run different software sets, so comparisons are irrelevant. Incidentally, for most users an Athlon processor will also "poo" on a Pentium IV CPU for the same money - a comparison worth making as they both run the same software - yet Intel way outsell AMD...
I'm not saying Macs are bad or anything - on the whole the quality an components that make up a Mac are better than you get in a PC - but then you pay for that privilege. The only price I saw on the machine you listed above was US$1999 on Apple's US website - which once you cover exchange rates and the higher overall costs of IT equipment in Australia would be probably around A$4600. Indeed the computing world would have been a better place had IBM chosen to use the Motorola 68000 series processors that ended up in the Mac instead of the Intel 8088 series in the first place.
Talking up the Mac is one thing. Being an arrogant arseh*le while you do it is another...
According to Whirlpool, the aussie prices are going to be something like:
1.6ghz G5 $3599
1.8ghz G5 $4499
DP2ghz G5 $5599
Someone on there called up and found prices I think. I'm saving up already
I'm skeptical of benchmark claims promoted by the company that makes the hardware - They well within their rights to set up conditions as they see fit, and report on what they see fit too. I'll wait for 3rd party reports before I get too excited. However I am pretty confident that the Macs are now finally COMPETITIVE with the best that the Wintel crowd has available now. IMHO the OS has always been that much more elegant on Macs, to be able to keep up speed wise is nice too!
A bit of speed never hurts. Right now my 867Mhz PowerBook G4 takes about 21 hours to encode 2 hours of video to DVD-spec MPEG2! Ouch!
1.6ghz G5 $3599
1.8ghz G5 $4499
DP2ghz G5 $5599
Someone on there called up and found prices I think. I'm saving up already
I'm skeptical of benchmark claims promoted by the company that makes the hardware - They well within their rights to set up conditions as they see fit, and report on what they see fit too. I'll wait for 3rd party reports before I get too excited. However I am pretty confident that the Macs are now finally COMPETITIVE with the best that the Wintel crowd has available now. IMHO the OS has always been that much more elegant on Macs, to be able to keep up speed wise is nice too!
A bit of speed never hurts. Right now my 867Mhz PowerBook G4 takes about 21 hours to encode 2 hours of video to DVD-spec MPEG2! Ouch!
Yeah, rage3D has pointed out the incredibly low 3dmark scores given to the P4 machine in Apples tests....
As Des said, will wait for 3d parties to review to give any judgement on their latest product....
As Des said, will wait for 3d parties to review to give any judgement on their latest product....
