News Malthouse Experimenting.

[PieNSauce]

Does anyone here know the mechanics of how the interchange works?
It seems the runner rarely tells a player to come off these days. So does the player know the time he has to come off? Forwards seem to come off a lot after they kick a goal. Is the midfield rotation so specific that players look up at the clock and interchange.
How does it work?

oh and as for the "experiment"...I think the important part of the interview was the wear and tear on players this year and ways of combating it. Or mind games from the club saying wait until you see how good we will be after round 15..lol

I'm definitely not in the know here but I reckon it's probably pretty straight forward as much as they probably watch the clock. My guess is each player has a schedule based on minutes played which can be varied by themselves if required. They probably have a maximum of so many minutes on the ground after which they are expected to rotate but if they get heavily involved in play they almost certainly have the freedom to rotate sooner.

 

[rickyp]

I think this is great. Our game in its modern form is very poorly understood, and it's not yet known what the optimum performance tactics are. If we're looking to experiment it means we're looking to improve. If it doesn't work out, we know we have a winning formula to fall back on. If it does work out, we'll be further revolutionising the game.

 

[10571z]

ill leave this one to malthouse. His an amazing coach and has great ideas. Everything is thought out well.

 

[Knightmare]

Have no problem with this. We are at this stage a near certain top 4 side. So we have the luxury try things out if it means potenially gaining a competitive advantage.

Limited rotations means more fatigue, handy training. We'll be a more high energy team late season.

 

[Bay Pie]

When was the last time we had only 100 rotations. 2008?????

Definitely done on purpose.

http://www.news.com.au/nick-maxwell-set-to-go-for-carlton-blockbuster/story-e6frf9jf-1226034003217

Buttifant's comments in that article are of particular interest. Phase 1 was pre-season, phase 2 would've been right up to the Bulldogs game, phase 3 has just started and will run until the 2nd bye (round 13) and the 4th and final phase begins in round 14 (coincidentally Buckley came out today and said we want to be cherry ripe by round 15).

This reduction of rotations seems to be a tool that'll be used throughout the 3rd phase and I just think it's more coincidence that we happened to play Geelong at the beginning of phase 3 than anything else. But there could be a slight psychological edge to it I just think it's minimal though!

Buttifant is a genius. I recall reading about this.

Limited rotations means more fatigue, handy training. We'll be a more high energy team late season.

Exactly. Extra game simulated training for extra fitness.

We'll be cherry ripe by round 15 all right.

 

[rose jam]

Makes sense to do it after a bye where there's less accumulation injury chance. Geelong I think would have pretty much averaged only 100 rotations last year, but with 4 on the bench still means a longer rest period

 

[vjknight]

I'd file that under 'excuse for a loss' personally.

However it does make a bit of sense, as it would be good to experiment on how to work rotations with only 2 available and where you would 'rest' players on the field.

Not sure I'd start experimenting against Geelong though.

Strangely though, I felt like we would win for most of the game on friday, despite being outplayed and wasn't even upset when we lost - very strange feeling. Normally I get very angry when we lose!

i always thought it funny BF posters commenting on team strategy. sure a few of us may have access to the 'inner sanctum' but most of us are mere members/supporters and unless the side is going backwards, have no real reason to question process. nothing wrong with a good discussion tho.

i actually feel a touch of well considered arrogance in experimenting in things that potentially risk a teams win/loss record. to try things against the 'next best' is having full confidence in your teams ability to recover any lost ground and still achieve what it aims for.

No problem with him experimenting - just don't do it against Geelong.

as mentioned, no point doing something against teams you KNOW youll beat, as the attitude of players has to be considered - best take a loss on the chin with experimenting if theres a long term plan involved.

micks message might be more interesting this week.

 

[ksardog]

why dont we trial this in the vfl side, i hate losing games and the last months interchange stats gives some reason why our form is so hot and cold during games. i know mick sees the big picture but its frustrating if we are playing with restrictions to our bench on top of the crap umpiring we are always on the end of

 

[Professor Knowall]

They got me a Premiership last year. Mick can go around gelding the players if he wants. ...

Oi, not so fast! I've heard thay Pendles plans to have seven sons - not to mention Heater continuing the Shaw dynasty etc.

 

[rhys_22]

Guys ,anyone who doesn't like what malty is doing i have this to say..Malty has been coaching for a very very long time. Malty knows what he is doing. This is Maltys last year as head coach and he wants this one as bad as last years..I don't understand how so many fans out there,not just of Collingwood but of all clubs(even with bad clubs) like to dispute what coaches do.I think they know a bit more than us seeing as they live and breathe the game day after day for most of the year..

I guess what i am saying is just relax.Malty and co know what they're doing

Oh by the way,watching on the couch,chappy was asked if the pendlebury goal should've been counted and he even said yes..huge stuff up afl.

 

[soreplums]

Exactly. Extra game simulated training for extra fitness.

We'll be cherry ripe by round 15 all right.[/QUOTE]

Beat me to it. Less rotations = increase fitness training simulation on match day.

Given we have had a late start to pre season and some of our players are still playing catch up- it's a smart idea.

 

[Pie eyed]

Strange decision by Mick and the club here, to actually cut back on the interchange rotation numbers that made our midfield so dangerous last season.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...hange-experiment/story-e6frf9jf-1226056345912



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...hange-experiment/story-e6frf9jf-1226056345912

And also, this from Bucks;




We expected what Buckley said to be true, but the experimentation of the interchange numbers seems very strange to me.

Makes complete sense to me. In fact I said as much 3-4 weeks ago.
Better to discover the effects of the bastardised bench and sub set-up now than later. Gives us time to modify to our best advantage, puts a little extra fitness into the individuals (with scope to rest them through the sub rule and the established rotation of players through the seniors)
I would say, and I think the game itself bore this out, that neither coach was showing anything of their "hand" on Friday night, in fact possibly the opposite. They may well have both been holding back tactically. Some will no doubt scoff, but I think coaches who feel an opponent is a likely participant in a GF as a direct opponent do, and should do, a little behind the scenes scheming and scamming.

 

[damuzzdu]

What do clubs normally do between R13-R18 when they see they are going to be playing in finals, they normally up their training schedule. Increase the load so that players can run out games esp in finals.

The coaching staff at Collingwood are really smart, and are effectively doing this "on-field" rather than "off-field". Come R15-R22 the rotations will be go back up again to the 130+ mark and the players will feel like they can run out 5 qtrs.

If something was to go badly wrong in a final and say 2-3 players went down, the extra miles and "on-field" preparation that the club has done will mean the players will be able to cope with the extra game time that suddenly they might be forced to do,

We all know that finals is another 3-4 cogs up from H&A season and the players will need this extra conditioning even more than normal.

Collingwood ahead the game yet again

 

[mwalker]

While I don't disagree with most of that I tend to think it's unlikely that you would do it against a team like Geelong if it was solely for that reason which is pretty much the point I was trying to make.

Could MM be manufacturing a loss? If we beat Geelong, who would have knocked us off? Doubt we would have liked to gone the season undefeated.

I am not making excuses, as others have said I was not upset with the loss. We played poorly, had some players out, conditions did not suit and only lost by 3 points. And could have won if Pendles was called to play on. Lots of positives there.

So maybe MM figured it would be the perfect time to experiement and if it cost us the loss I doubt he would care as long as he is getting the information he needs for us to be better prepared for mid august onwards.

 

[Subprime]

Watched the MM video message for the first time last night - comes via email to members - and towards the end of it Mick says that from next week he'll try to answer supporters questions.

Had a look in the email and it didn't say how to ask a question anywhere but there must be a way, so for those who get the email maybe respond with a question and the great man may answer it in an upcoming youtube.

 

[mattys123]

Watched the MM video message for the first time last night - comes via email to members - and towards the end of it Mick says that from next week he'll try to answer supporters questions.

Had a look in the email and it didn't say how to ask a question anywhere but there must be a way, so for those who get the email maybe respond with a question and the great man may answer it in an upcoming youtube.

I think Mick said he would answering questions next week, and we had to "ring in" to ask our questions next Monday Morning.

Maybe Mick's living in the past, as I can't see it being a ring in situation, more likely a live chat with JB (Jono Bernard) sitting next to Mick passing on the questions as he goes, and then it will be recorded and shown later that day.

That's my guess anyway.

 

[Subprime]

I think Mick said he would answering questions next week, and we had to "ring in" to ask our questions next Monday Morning.

Maybe Mick's living in the past, as I can't see it being a ring in situation, more likely a live chat with JB (Jono Bernard) sitting next to Mick passing on the questions as he goes, and then it will be recorded and shown later that day.

That's my guess anyway.

Would want to be on your game if Mick's taking calls.

 

[Pie eyed]

Would want to be on your game if Mick's taking calls.

Cue Hutchy using numerous fake voices asking the same question over and over and over and over and over......

"Don't you think you should be coaching another side next year if Collingwood don't keep you on?"

Intermittently interrupted by prank calls from Horseface.

"Is there a Mr Walls there?"

 

[Zahki]

Time to give the 'experiments' a rest Mick.

 

[Syphoncom]

The experiments are why we're down 5 goals against Adelaide?

 

[Pie eyed]

Big explosion at the end....and YES!!!!


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