Manchester United thread

[Ducky Tie]

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...d-out-for-eight-weeks-after-knee-surgery.aspx

Fu*k off.

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Not again

 

[Ducky Tie]

Valencia is apparently on crutches now.

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

The club is injury plagued

 

[Hawthorn United]

We always seem to have defensive injury crisis.

 

[mojito]

Bollocks

 

[Dumpstar]

Hi. Good call from a LFC fan.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/kickoff/120924/liverpool-fan-charlie-munich-air-disaster-181704

 

[Ducky Tie]

Was an interesting formation this morning against Newcastle. We started like this:
De Gea
Vermijl-M Keane-Wootton-Buttner
Fletcher
Cleverley......Anderson
Rooney..........Welbeck
Chicharito
It worked better than 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2 have been so far this year. The midfield controlled possession well and was dangerous attacking. Rooney and Welbeck switched sides a fair bit and both were very good, Rooney's passing and vision were outstanding. I'd like us to give that formation a go in the PL. I'd swap, Kagawa for Welbeck, Van Persie for Chicha, Carrick for Fletch. Obviously this would be a big change with no 'wingers' and no Valencia in particular, but with the rumours about his injury, Nani's awful form and Young's injury, now would be a perfect time to give it a go. It would create a more central game style which would suit both Kagawa and RVP. The width comes from the full backs.

 

[Hawthorn United]

How bad was our defense last night?

Back 4 simply weren't there for all 3 goals. First 2 were runs straight up the center after a massive hole was created.

 

[mojito]

Only seen highlights, but judging from comments in the main matchday thread and redcafe we were dire.

****ing midfield

 

[PP34]

I can't post on redcafe. It says I can only post on the Newbie forum and that doesn't exist. I don't what the **** to do.

Anyway we clearly have big issues in the central midfield department. I'd start Fletcher once he's up to it (I'm assuming he still isn't ready for full EPL games?) and bench Scholes and use him as a burst player off the bench. Also starting an old man midfield each week isn't going to work. I think Fergie still expects magical things to happen when Giggsy and Scholes play each week but it's not the case anymore.

We'll definitely be going hard for a young centre midfielder in January. I want to see more of Cleverley and Anderson in the meantime.

The defence is also a worry. Rio is aging and without Vidic he is exposed. Evra is close to becoming useless and Vidic has a wonky knee which worries me especially seeing as he isn't in his early 20s. When Smalling and Jones go back we should survive but eventually we'll need another quality centre back.

 

[mojito]

I can't post on redcafe. It says I can only post on the Newbie forum and that doesn't exist. I don't what the **** to do.

It's a weeding system to keep out the ****witted trolls. Sign up and serve your apprenticeship in the newbie forum and if the mods deem you good enough, you get promoted.

I was in there 'round the time of the Ronaldo sale to Madrid. Muppets everywhere

 

[PP34]

It's a weeding system to keep out the ****witted trolls. Sign up and serve your apprenticeship in the newbie forum and if the mods deem you good enough, you get promoted.

I was in there 'round the time of the Ronaldo sale to Madrid. Muppets everywhere

Where's the newbie forum though? I can't find it on the list.

 

[mojito]

Where's the newbie forum though? I can't find it on the list.

Sign up and log in and you'll see it.

It's hidden from public view.

Having been promoted, I can't see it either. Haven't since June 2010

 

[PP34]

Sign up and log in and you'll see it.

It's hidden from public view.

Having been promoted, I can't see it either. Haven't since June 2010

Yeah I already have signed up, logged in and it's no where. I go to post somewhere and it says I can only post on the newbie forum. I click the link and nothing. I'll just email the admins.

 

[mojito]

Yeah I already have signed up, logged in and it's no where. I go to post somewhere and it says I can only post on the newbie forum. I click the link and nothing. I'll just email the admins.

PM me your user id over there...

 

[A Bit High]

Our first half was a reflection on how we have been most of the season and the 2nd half was the United way.

Sorry boys but this again confirmed my opinion of Rio.

And as much as I love Giggsy and Scholesy, they can't both start when we have Carrick starting....way to many plodders

Would love all our young defenders fit and try this -

De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Smalling - Buttner

The more games they get the better they will become

 

[Redalert]

Not trying to be smartarse after the loss to Spurs but is there a reason Fergie hasn't signed a quality central mid for about 2 seasons? Surely given giggs/scholes are 37 and 38 there'd be contingency plans in place, but after the whole Sneijder thing it just seems to have died down. Just to clarify I mean a source of link player sitting in behind the attacking mids/wingers, seems to be the area your most deficient in.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Not trying to be smartarse after the loss to Spurs but is there a reason Fergie hasn't signed a quality central mid for about 2 seasons? Surely given giggs/scholes are 37 and 38 there'd be contingency plans in place, but after the whole Sneijder thing it just seems to have died down. Just to clarify I mean a source of link player sitting in behind the attacking mids/wingers, seems to be the area your most deficient in.

No value in the market.

Apparently.


Apparent bullshit.

But hey, we have some awesome attacking options and some wingers.

 

[Hawthorn United]

4-2-4 formation! The old hail mary setup in FM when desperate.

 

[SuperCats9]

Going back to the Spurs game on the weekend, here's my view on it.

1st half was an absolute disgrace, a reflection on how we have been playing all season so far, and if it continues, we will get belted one day against quality side like Man City or Chelsea. The midfield is below average, Carrick was not getting back and helping out the defenders, only running one way, which is really disapointing. Scholes, as good as he is, was getting shut down in the first half and couldn't take control at all.

Our defence was shocking yet again, the first goal the Spurs scored was down to no pressure and not paying attention, i think it was Evra who let the Spurs player run through and Rio didn't even make a challenge, just ran beside him. With no Vidic, and a struggling Ferdinand, we are in big trouble, not to mention Smalling and Jones are still out.

As much as i love Giggs and as good as he has been for us he must never start again, except for maybe easy league games and Capitol Cup games. He is past it against the top teams now, get's found out way to easily.

Again, back to the midfield, we were dominated by Dempsey and Dembele, and i'm pulling my hair out as to why we haven't signed a midfielder yet, i just can't see why SAF has not addressed our biggest problem.

We may have a very strong attack with our top class strikers, but when you have no midfield, they are going to struggle, and this is why RVP looks like a chop playing for us. He hardly has an influence because he can't, and Kagawa is not being used to he's strengths.

Our 2nd half was a lot better, but only because Rooney came on and changed the game, and it just goes to show that it is vital that Rooney, RVP and Kagawa all play together with Kagawa on the left drifting in and out finding space, he was immense when the change happened and score a goal.

We will be seeing similar results if things do not change, but with this midfield i can't see us improving anytime soon. SAF also has an outdated gameplan, it could be time to bring in either Mourinho or Pep, they would bring fresh ideas to this team that i think it desperately needs.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Going back to the Spurs game on the weekend, here's my view on it.

1st half was an absolute disgrace, a reflection on how we have been playing all season so far, and if it continues, we will get belted one day against quality side like Man City or Chelsea. The midfield is below average, Carrick was not getting back and helping out the defenders, only running one way, which is really disapointing. Scholes, as good as he is, was getting shut down in the first half and couldn't take control at all.

Our defence was shocking yet again, the first goal the Spurs scored was down to no pressure and not paying attention, i think it was Evra who let the Spurs player run through and Rio didn't even make a challenge, just ran beside him. With no Vidic, and a struggling Ferdinand, we are in big trouble, not to mention Smalling and Jones are still out.

As much as i love Giggs and as good as he has been for us he must never start again, except for maybe easy league games and Capitol Cup games. He is past it against the top teams now, get's found out way to easily.

Again, back to the midfield, we were dominated by Dempsey and Dembele, and i'm pulling my hair out as to why we haven't signed a midfielder yet, i just can't see why SAF has not addressed our biggest problem.

We may have a very strong attack with our top class strikers, but when you have no midfield, they are going to struggle, and this is why RVP looks like a chop playing for us. He hardly has an influence because he can't, and Kagawa is not being used to he's strengths.

Our 2nd half was a lot better, but only because Rooney came on and changed the game, and it just goes to show that it is vital that Rooney, RVP and Kagawa all play together with Kagawa on the left drifting in and out finding space, he was immense when the change happened and score a goal.

We will be seeing similar results if things do not change, but with this midfield i can't see us improving anytime soon. SAF also has an outdated gameplan, it could be time to bring in either Mourinho or Pep, they would bring fresh ideas to this team that i think it desperately needs.

Really quality post. One thing from the second half I thought was interesting was Rooney once he came on. For the first ten minutes after he came on, he was very good, but other than that I thought he wasn't great. The main impact he had on the team was mentally IMO, he lifted everybody else.

The most disappointing player other than Rio and Evra was Carrick. I'm not normally a basher of him, nor do I rate him really highly. He never takes big risks but at least normally does some clever passing. Not only did he expose the defence by not tracking back, he offered absolutely nothing going forward. Even in the second half when we were dominating, he would give it to Scholes every time.

 

[A Bit High]

We will be seeing similar results if things do not change, but with this midfield i can't see us improving anytime soon. SAF also has an outdated gameplan, it could be time to bring in either Mourinho or Pep, they would bring fresh ideas to this team that i think it desperately needs.

Good post however -

Cant agree with this part of your post, seems like short memory to me.

He was 1 minute away from winning the league with the same shite midfield practically.

Think a case of short memory for mine and he deserves more from you considering what he has done.

We are crap because we have a soft centre and have some old slow players down back.

I was laughed at for me criticism of Rio only a week ago but heck the writting was on the wall 3 seasons ago! and same goes for Evra. Also I had Carrick sold a few years ago also....Maybe I should manage the side

SAF will get the best out of this group but unfortunately the group is not the best

 

[SuperCats9]

Good post however -

Cant agree with this part of your post, seems like short memory to me.

He was 1 minute away from winning the league with the same shite midfield practically.

Think a case of short memory for mine and he deserves more from you considering what he has done.

We are crap because we have a soft centre and have some old slow players down back.

I was laughed at for me criticism of Rio only a week ago but heck the writting was on the wall 3 seasons ago! and same goes for Evra. Also I had Carrick sold a few years ago also....Maybe I should manage the side

SAF will get the best out of this group but unfortunately the group is not the best

I love SAF, and i don't think he should go, but i was just putting it out there that maybe we have an outdated game style? and maybe need a fresh face to change things up?

Would be more than happy for Ferguson to continue, he is the best ever.

 

[SuperCats9]

Really quality post. One thing from the second half I thought was interesting was Rooney once he came on. For the first ten minutes after he came on, he was very good, but other than that I thought he wasn't great. The main impact he had on the team was mentally IMO, he lifted everybody else.

The most disappointing player other than Rio and Evra was Carrick. I'm not normally a basher of him, nor do I rate him really highly. He never takes big risks but at least normally does some clever passing. Not only did he expose the defence by not tracking back, he offered absolutely nothing going forward. Even in the second half when we were dominating, he would give it to Scholes every time.

+1 for this, couldn't agree more with you there. It's like he is thinking, "Here Scholes, you make the final pass, i don't know what to do", and that is worrying, as good as Scholes is, he is 37/38 and we are still relying on him to get us out of jail with his passing ability in midfield. He got our season back on-track last season coming out of retirement, and it is that reason that i think SAF hasen't signed a midfielder yet.

Remember, early last season when Scholes had already retired, we already had moved on and went with Cleverely and Anderson in midfield and how good did we look? One touch passing, link up play, was brilliant, but Injuries came into play, and has again this season