I am interested, how would his or my not being vaccinated impact on you exactly?
Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions
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It inhibits your chances of both getting infected and passing it on to others if you do.
Beautifully put - I must say the eloquence and reason of the pro-choice mob is heartening
By consequences are you referring to punishments?
Oh I see so the FDA has managed to time travel to 2024 to complete the long term testing that would ordinarily have been required - or could the FDA be bowing to some form of pressure perhaps? Why are people so slavishly ready to believe everything a US pharma-subsciption-funded federal agency dolls out?
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Yawn. Back with another alt account I see? Toodles.
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Charming. Was that question just too complex?
Wrong. This is a subject I feel passionate about. Have a kid in the draft. It's an issue.
I am not sure that's right though. As I understand it, it will lessen the severity of your own symptoms but you will still carry the same viral load and still be as infectious as any unvaccinated person (and arguably a greater risk because of post-vaccination complacency in some) So what I really don't get is why the unvaccinated are seen as more of a safety risk to fellow employees than the vaccinated- such that an employer ought to have any right to preclude them from the workplace or from entering any venue as a customer or patron.
My understanding is that measuring viral load gives you an indication of the presence of the virus, but not whether it is active or not. So, yes, an infected vaccinated person is showing similar viral loads to an infected unvaccinated person, however, what is currently being studied is whether the infected vaccinated person is carrying mainly inactive virus due to the actions of their higher immune response when compared to an infected unvaccinated person.
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Your attempts at spreading fear, uncertainty, doubt will not win. Australia is marching to 80% of its adult population vaccinated. If you want to volunteer to Darwin yourself, be my guest.
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and where does this doubt come from? youtube? facebook? word on the street? your arse?
That is assuming people get sick after getting Covid. Which for 90% of the population is not the case. Certainly not to a degree that requires hospitalisation. And after becoming infected they have 13 times higher immunity than the vaccinated. I'm not seeing the downside. Considering we're talking about roughly 10-20% of the population who (assuming people are self interested) are in the younger and healthier bracket.
But anyone worried about getting covid can get vaccinated. So why would they be worried about getting it from the unvaxxed.
Can I ask where this info has come from? The information I have heard is that natural infection gives you a 70% reduction in your chance of reinfection, Pfizer is at 80% reduction 14 days after the vaccination (it does reduce over time), and AZ was between 62% and 71%. This kind of indicates that your immunity is about the same with whichever path is taken, but the risk of serious health complications are higher with getting COVID, and therefore the "natural" immunity, as opposed to getting the "vaccine" immunity.
Studies out if Israel have natural immunity as being 13 times greater than Pfizers immunity against Delta.
Is that based on having both doses of Pfizer? Is that including the information Israel have from having a Pfizer booster? The Israeli data from early September is showing that 2/3 weeks after the booster the effectiveness of Pfizer is sitting between 70%-84%, 13x greater than that seems... impossible. Maybe I'm looking at old information or maybe I'm interpreting it incorrectly, so If you could point me to the study I'd be interested in looking at it.
Can you share a link?
The 13 fold applied only to the individuals matched to time of exposure to first event (vax or infection) and followed for 90 days.
When unmatched to time, the 13 decreased to 5 times.
If you calculate actual infections, in the first vaccinated group (matched to time of first event, been Jan or Feb), the rate of later positive was 1.46% with 1.1% been symptomatic. The hospitalization rate of this group was 0.04%
In the unmatched to time group (Vaccine or infection at any time prior to Feb 28), the infection rate for vaccinated was 1.39% with 1.05% symptomatic. 0.04% of the vaccinated were hospitalized.
No covid deaths were recorded. Its also worth noting that both vaccinated groups had higher rates of HTN and cancer than the natural immunity groups. (see tables)
Now even I would agree that natural infection gives better protection as that generally applies to most viral diseases (mumps, measles), however you seem to be forgetting that to acquire natural immunity you actually have to catch the disease!
Calculate the rates of admission and infections of unvaccinated and then compare that to rates of vaccinated. Thats the key data.
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...
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You can tell you who the s**t kids at school were from this entire vaccination rollout. Same with the masks.
I have a mate who cannot stand anyone (especially the government) telling him what to do. Got an exemption from wearing a mask because he had a 'lung issue' 10 years ago. Still smokes like a chimney. Is in sales. Has been abused by people when he walks into shops in his uniform for not wearing a mask then gets high and mighty when he says he has an exemption. His boss has made it very clear he CANNOT be seen smoking in his uniform if he refuses to wear a mask because of the hypocrisy, but the doctors exemption overrides common sense.
A) it reduces your risk of carrying and transmitting the virus
B) it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces your risk of ending up in hospital from it.
Your hospital beds are my hospital beds. But because you chose not to get a free, safe, effective and readily available vaccine, you have a higher chance of taking my bed when I need it. How’s that fair?
I thought I would look even deeper at that data.
In model 1 (those that had time of first exposure in Jan/Feb and followed for 90 days), the natural immunity group had a risk of reinfection rate of 0.1%
In model 2 (infection at anytime prior to Feb 28 and followed for 90 days) the rate of reinfection was 0.2% for naturally acquired infections.
This implies that natural immunity certainly wanes over time (0.1 is less than 0.2)
Figure 1 shows that those infected in August/sept 2020 had increased numbers of reinfections.
